But John Hagee isn’t a scaaaarrrrrry black guy and the media loves McCain, so it doesn’t count.
John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God’s behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, Adolph Hitler was a “hunter,” sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God’s will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.
Going in and out of biblical verse, Hagee preached: “‘And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’ If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can’t see that.”
So does McCain side with Hamas or Israel?
Wow. That is awesome. Sweet endorsement. It’s a good thing we spend 6 weeks talking about Rev. Wright and not at all about batshit crazy stuff like this. Real nice.
But Obama dudn’t wear no flag pin.
Olberman is talking this up as we speak.
Sad to say, but revelationist churches and preachers are now considered part of the ‘mainstream’ christianity. Batshit crazy only begins to describe some of the crap emanating from followers of such cults.
Church organizations like the united church of christ, of which Rev. Wright’s congregation is a part, are considered fringe christians, and not part of the ‘christian coalition’ movement.
I wouldn’t expect much blowback on Hagee thingy. His style of preaching is widely accepted by right wing christians everywhere. Anyone that doesn’t agree is just part of the vast anti-christian conspiracy, and will probably burn in hell for eternity.
Interesting that Hagee implies that God “allowed” the Holocaust to happen. The stock answer by Christians of why God allowed (insert horrible people-causing event here) to happen is that God gives “free will” to people, and thus, he cannot prevent individuals from committing evil acts. God “allowing” the Holcaust to happen, of course, gives lie to this claim (and by the way, even if Hagee is right about this, is this really a God someone should worship? I would never worship a God who could have prevented the Holcaust, but didn’t).
I would never worship a God who could have prevented the Holcaust, but didn’t
on that note, I would never worship a god (or participate in a system) that creates zealots like Hagee, Falwell & Ben Stein.
“But Obama dudn’t wear no flag pin.”
Hmmm… is it me, or is Hagee not wearing a flag pin in that picture? Maybe the media will finally pay attention.
I wouldn’t expect much blowback on Hagee thingy. His style of preaching is widely accepted by right wing christians everywhere.
Be that as it may, it sure won’t help Johnny with the Jewish vote.
“Be that as it may, it sure won’t help Johnny with the Jewish vote.”
Or, more broadly speaking, the anti-idiocy vote, which transcends religion.
A serious question: You think Obama can revisit this stuff after Denver? The MSM has already shown this the gravity of a Paris Hilton faux pas and moved on. Can Obama revive it and focus on it (assuming he needs or wants to, also assuming McCain doesn’t “distance” himself), together with the rest of the passing parade of McCain jawdroppers, at that time, when the public’s attention is at last on the final face-off? Something about seize-the-moment, and yet Futility Rodham Clinton is still in the way…
“Hmmm… is it me, or is Hagee not wearing a flag pin in that picture?”
Didn’t you get the memo? He’s white so he doesn’t have to wear one!
A serious question: You think Obama can revisit this stuff after Denver?
I think he can, but I don’t think he will. This is one of those distractions that he keeps talking about. He really doesn’t strike me as the “they do it too!” kind of guy.
If someone in the Trad Med want to revisit it, though, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. meaning if they wanted to drag Hagee through the mud and thus dirty up McNovocain by association the way they have with Wright.
daniel rotter: Or, more broadly speaking, the anti-idiocy vote
I wouldn’t count on that. Out there in the real world (beyond the tiny confines of political blogs where wonks like us tend to congregate) the idiots far outnumber the anti-. Proof? Bush won in ‘04.
Proof? Bush won in ‘04.
American Gladiators is back on TeeVee.
American Idle is STILL on TeeVee.
Evolution does not favor the intelligent.
“A serious question: You think Obama can revisit this stuff after Denver?
I think he can, but I don’t think he will. This is one of those distractions that he keeps talking about. He really doesn’t strike me as the “they do it too!” kind of guy.”
I didn’t mean Obama would try to exploit it, just that he might run down the list of crazy positions AND crazy associations McSame approves of. Shine a flashlight. The press has been transcribing (without comment, often) two or three of these jawdroppers per day, while Obama has been having to deal, until very recently, with Ms ReadyOnDayOne.
I didn’t mean Obama would try to exploit it, just that he might run down the list of crazy positions AND crazy associations McSame approves of. Shine a flashlight.
Oh, then yeah, he should at the very least mention it.
Of course the media don’t go after Hagee and Parsley like they did Wright. They are white evangelicals; Wright is the Scary, Angry Black Man.
By the way, has anyone ever see McCain wear a flag lapel pin?
You guys are pretty ignorant to equate Wright to Hagee. Hagee was never McCain’s pastor and McCain didn’t sit in his church for 20 years listening to hate speech.
McCain wasn’t aware of some of the views that Hagee held because he didn’t go to his church nor did he know him well. Once McCain was aware of Hagee’s views he distanced himself from the guy.
Obama sat in Wright’s church for 20 years listening to the hatred that was spewing from a pastor’s mouth. He continues to support Wright to this day even though he knows of the hate American, bigotry and racism that the pastor displays.
Have a little intellectual honesty and acknowledge the vast difference between the two. It is one thing to be endorsed by someone and not know their views, it is another to be endorsed by someone for whom you know their views and yet still embrace them as a supporter.
“McCain wasn’t aware of some of the views that Hagee held because he didn’t go to his church nor did he know him well.”
Hagee’s views were and are made readily available to people who don’t attend his church or know him well (i.e. his books, his televised sermons, his media appearances, etc.).
“Once McCain was aware of Hagee’s views he distanced himself from the guy.”
He only “distanced himself” from Hagee after these Holocaust comments were made public. McCain did not “distance himself” from Hagee even after his anti-Catholic “the planned gay pride parade in New Orleans caused Hurricane Katrina” comments came to light.
“It is one thing to be endorsed by someone and not know their views.”
That sentence is a bit misleading. McCain wasn’t just “endorsed by” Hagee, he actively sought out his endorsement. Why seek out the endorsement of someone who you don’t know the views of?
there should have been an “and” after “anti-Catholic”
AnonGuy: You guys are pretty ignorant to equate Wright to Hagee.
No, you too stupid to see the similarity.
Hagee was never McCain’s pastor and McCain didn’t sit in his church for 20 years listening to hate speech.
Neither did Obama. Wright preached several thousand hours of sermons over that time. And you would judge label the entirety of that body of work based solely on the 15 seconds you’ve seen on YouTube?
I repeat. You are stupid.
McCain wasn’t aware of some of the views that Hagee held because he didn’t go to his church nor did he know him well.
McCain sought out Hagee’s endorsement. If he didn’t know what Hagee preached before doing that then McCain is as stupid as you are.
Once McCain was aware of Hagee’s views he distanced himself from the guy.
Nope. Absolutely not true. McCain said he didn’t agree with Hagee’s views regarding the Catholic church but he did not reject Hagee’s endorsement, denounce Hagee, or distance himself in any way.
Obama sat in Wright’s church for 20 years listening to the hatred that was spewing from a pastor’s mouth.
You already said that and repeating something doesn’t make it any more true. You’re still wrong and still stupid.
He continues to support Wright to this day even though he knows of the hate American, bigotry and racism that the pastor displays.
Congratulations, you’re maintaining a perfect record of still being wrong. Following Wright’s more recent comments Obama did stop supporting him.
Have a little intellectual honesty…
This from the person who signs himself “AnonGuy”
… and acknowledge the vast difference between the two.
Absolutely. Wright is a veteran who worked for decades on improving civil rights and who helped grow one of the more respected churches in Chicago. Hagee is an ignorant bigot who preaches hate.
It is one thing to be endorsed by someone and not know their views, it is another to be endorsed by someone for whom you know their views and yet still embrace them as a supporter.
It is one thing to know what you are talking about, it is another thing to be you and parade your stupidity.
McCain wasn’t aware of some of the views that Hagee held because he didn’t go to his church nor did he know him well.
Then it seems pretty frikkin’ lazy on McCain’s part, now doesn’t it? Is this the kind of vetting and fact checking we could expect from a McCain administration? I.e., after the fact?
Thanks, but no thanks.
Sean, you did a much better job of responding to AnonGuy than I did. Nice work, sir.
“You guys are pretty ignorant to equate Wright to Hagee.”
You’re right. Hagee is much worse.