That’s the latest - and probably last - b.s. excuse from Team Clinton on why they didn’t really lose the nomination. As I discussed with a friend last night, the Clinton campaign decided that in order to win they would throw the black vote aside and drive up their vote among white voters. What they didn’t calculate was that black voters weren’t going to sit by and let that happen, while at the same time many white voters did not fall for the trickery.
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Be careful, OW. Greg Sargent is “interpreting” here.
“Put in context,” “implication,” and “in other words,” are all markers that a writer is leading you to a conclusion. Did Garin put this remark in this context? If so, why won’t Sargent show us? If not, what was the real context? Why was Garin “implying”? Why does Sargent need “other words” to tell us what Garin really meant?
This is what I hate most about this primary season. Democrats are using the same tendentious argumentation against ourselves that the GOP has been laying on us since 1990.
Just stop.
If you really want to see insanity- and raw racism- head over to TalkLeft and read Armando’s latest diatribe and the comments on it. Best have some Pepto-Bismol handy, though.
On the other hand this might make you feel a bit better, even if it does come from, ugh, Drudge:
Well, it doesn’t matter. When the presumptive Democratic nominee (Obama) can’t win over working class white voters (like me) who have traditionally voted Democrat, then you might as well put a fork in the guy now.
He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”
But let’s put that aside…his debate performances have been dismal. He was SMOKED by Clinton in nearly every important debate, and y’all know it. Who’s voting for Obama, then? Well, all of the people who get that “warm and fuzzy” feeling, that “rise in their crotch” (Bill Richardson) every time they lay eyes on the guy.
Funny, 4 years ago, he was the hope of the Democratic party. Now, in my view, he’s just another empty suit with some VERY serious baggage. Would I have voted for Hillary over McCain? Almost certainly.
For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I’m* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same.
Jkstraw_01
Aka…”JK”
McCain 2008
For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I’m* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same.
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JK, since you’re so proud to vote for McCain, I have to ask what it is you see in him. Is it his inability to commit to a position? Is it his notorious temper? Is it is unabashed love and support for the blundering decisions and executive power theories of George Bush? Is it his creative ability to turn a Beach Boys tune into a foreign policy statement?
Encourage all you want. I have faith that more of us in the working class are able to see and hear what Obama actually says and is rather than what the pundit interpretation has been.
Yeah, I’m not proud of our country either. I don’t know how you can look at what has been committed in our name for the past eight years and still say you’re “proud” of the country with a straight face.
Who cares what trolls are proud of? Let him crawl proudly back under his bridge.
Would she count’em as 2/3 of a vote?
I for one encourage the McCain voters to tell us who they are. Shows me how to separate the warmongers from the rest of us normal folks.
JK: He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”
Yum, tasty Kool Aid.
JK, you’re a clown. I do love the irony of your implication that you, yourself, are a “thinking voter,” and that we Obama supporters are voting with our guts (or our genitals, weirdly enough). You should write for the Colbert Report.
Oh, and JK… don’t look now, but two of your reasons for Obama having “lost” you weren’t perpetrated by Obama in the first place. Your third reason for his “losing” is simply that he told the truth, albeit in a poorly-phrased manner (Obama was reportedly disappointed with himself for phrasing his comments the way he did).
Boy, as you’re a working-class Dem… it would have been nice to be on the winning side in a presidential election for a change, wouldn’t it? Oh well… Enjoy voting for McCain in November.
To paraphrase Wellstone from the other day, JK would rather have a Republican than a President.
Another day gone and another day of speculations on who will be the next President. Another round of mud slinging and unfounded rumors. And I am not talking about those running to become the next US President. I am talking about the American people – or at least some of them. I am astounded to read some of the things people have to say about those leaders who are willing to put their hand up in a difficult time in the American history. What is it that makes people dig so deep to find their own worse self in the way they speak about the candidates? It’s like being in South Africa all over again back in 1994 when we had our own first democratic elections. The doomsayers lived large. But the truth is that all three would make fairly good Presidents – and all have their flaws. It won’t be the end of America. Can’t people just focus on what makes America great instead of scrapping the bottom of the barrel of humanity in the way they talk about their potential future leader? http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/07/november-is-coming-start-stockpiling-baby/
you might as well put a fork in the guy now.
Michael Richards, is that you?
Notice the typical Limbaugh/Hannity talking points?
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Jkstraw_01[…]
You mean, “Jkschidt”? As in, “you don’t know…”?
Quaker in a Basement:
“you might as well put a fork in the guy now.
Michael Richards, is that you?”
Not Richards. More like Dr. Lecter.
A working class person would have to be a damn fool to vote for any Republicant.
Steve, no troll here…I was a regular contributor to this blog long before you knew how to operate a keyboard.
It’s a simple fact: exit polls are telling us that Obama has lost white working class voters. He won’t win. He can’t. If a person like me, moderately liberal, who has NEVER voted for a GOP Pres. candidate, is turned off by Obama, he’s toast.
Can he get them back? If his opponent were Mike Huckabee…I’d say maybe. But it’s not.
Let me say it clearly: I don’t like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years…and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife’s views on America are troubling….and he has associations with a known terrorist. That’s enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with.
I’ll vote for the old guy.
JK
I hope you never find out half the deranged persons associated with McCain. You might commit suicide.
JK: “I don’t like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years…and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife’s views on America are troubling….and he has associations with a known terrorist. That’s enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with.
I’ll vote for the old guy. ”
Why don’t you give the real reason for not liking Obama. Cause the things you’re listing are not at all the result of rational consideration.
You’re objecting to his associating with Wright, and to his disassociating himself from Wright When someone cites two opposing reasons, neither one is the real one. They’re just parroting something they heard because they think it’s a more acceptable reason than their real objection.
And don’t tell me it’s because of the way he disassociated himself from Wright. Because he clearly didn’t do it “when it was politcally expedient for him to do so.” That would have been when the Wright first became news, and instead he made an honest, eloquent and perceptive speech explaining why he couldn’t just denounce Wright.
“His wife’s views on America are troubling…”
And very much in line with the majority of Americans. Tell me, JK, has nothing about what our leadership has done in the past 8 years mad you even slightly bothered?
“and he has associations with a known terrorist.”
You mean acts committed by someone when Obama was, what, 8? You mean the guy who is now a noted teacher at a prestigious university?
Again, you’re objections are not the result of rational consideration or even vague thought. You’re parroting Hillary and Republican talking points. Probably because you are totally unwilling to say why you really don’t like the guy.
It’s because his ears stick out a bit, isn’t it. Yeah, I knew it had to do with the way he looks.