And another, and another…
A leader of the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton has switched his allegiance to Barack Obama and is encouraging fellow Democrats to “heal the rift in our party” and unite behind the Illinois senator.
Joe Andrew, who was Democratic National Committee chairman from 1999-2001, planned a news conference Thursday in his hometown of Indianapolis to urge other Hoosiers to support Obama in Tuesday’s primary, perhaps the most important contest left in the White House race. He also has written a lengthy letter explaining his decision that he plans to send to other superdelegates.
284 to go.
“The audacity of one Democrat comparing J. McCain favorably to another Democrat.” Joe Andrew has inadvertently identified the true Judas in our midst.
You have my admiration Mr Andrew for writing a thoughtful letter.
Andrew said in his letter that he is switching his support because “a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists (Republican) John McCain.”
Yeh.
“Shut it DOWN! Shut it DOWN!!”
- Republican preppy goon, banging on the windows outside the Miami-Dade County vote recount office, November 2000
Apples, oranges.
I haven’t done the math. What kind of monstrous victory would Clinton need in Indiana to officially turn the tide against Obama?
And what does it matter, since Indiana will go for McCain in the general anyhow?
MORE Obama-Math?? Wow. How early-February of you! LOL
At the end of the Primary process June 3, Hillary and Obama will likely be 1-3% apart in pledged delegate count and popular vote. A virtual tie.
It will then be time for the Superdelegates to do their job: Select the Democratic Party nominee who is most likely to help the Democratic Party beat the GOP and John McCain, and establish a super-majority in the Congress.
That would be Hillary Clinton.
Which is where we disagree. I think both Obama and Clinton can beat McCain, but think Obama does a better job of the sort of electrifying, inspirational work that builds majorities.
As I’ve said before, I’d still vote for Clinton over McCain any day of the week. But I won’t fight nearly as hard for her. That’s what comes of being told that I and my vote don’t matter.
Obama will be ahead in pledged delegates, the only thing that matters (according to me, millions of other people, the Obama campaign, and the Clinton camp before she started losing. FWIW, Obama will be ahead in the popular vote and states won… Less important but worth noting.
This is not a tie. Although they are similar in certain ways, elections are not polls. Selecting and surveying 200 people and asking their opinion is a poll, and there is a certain amount of statistical error that comes from extrapolating those responses to the population at large. A candidate that wins one more vote in an election wins. Game over. In an election, we aren’t trying to draw conclusions about the population from a sample of the population… We are actually asking the WHOLE fucking population what they think.
It is not a tie, dammit. Stop spreading misinformation.
That would be Hillary Clinton.
Sure, if the only democratic voters were surly, old white women. And you.
I’d still vote for Clinton over McCain any day of the week. But I won’t fight nearly as hard for her.
Again, I will vote against McNovocain if Hillary is the nominee.
I will vote FOR Obama if he is the nominee. It will be the first time in 28 years I will vote FOR a candidate.
Seriously, who the hell voted FOR Mondale/Ferraro?
Really, Spider, how dare you use objective math when Hillary math is sooo today.
Popular vote=votes disqualified and unopposed.
States that matter= states that start with New and have an X in them.
Caucuses?= we don’t have to show you no steenkin’ caucuses.
Duros: “..Surly old white women..” ?? Tsk tsk…
Sounds like a Rev. Wright sermon to me:
God-DAMMN them!! Them Ole white chickens….are comin’ home.. to roooost!!!!
Lol
Mambo, this is not an Election. It is the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate in the General Election.
That person CAN be E-Lected by popular vote, provided they reach a majority of those delegates that are assigned by the popular vote, in today’s Dem party 2025 delegates.
Failing that, as will be the case on June 3, NEITHER CANDIDATE WILL REACH THAT POINT. They CANNOT be E-lected, Mambo. (How many times will it take before you admmt this??)
They MUST be SE-lected. That’s what the Superdelegates do!
Oh stop it. Don’t be that guy.
Women over 60 are her target demo.
Mambo, this is not an Election. It is the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate in the General Election.
All of which does nothing to refute mambo’s point.
Right now, average polls put them both losing to McNovocain. That is gonna change pretty fucking quick after June.
Wellstone,
My point stands, regardless of whether you want to argue semantics on whether the nomination process constitutes an “election,” per se. The fact is that we are actually going to the population, the whole population, and asking them what they think. This isn’t a poll. Obama is ahead and will be ahead when the final few contests are over. The people will have made their pick. If the supers decide to go the other way, it’ll be a catastrophic and idiotic mistake. I don’t think even the Dems are that stupid (although I can’t be certain).
My main point was that this is not, repeat, NOT a tie. Stop saying stupid crap like that, because it’s 100% wrong.
Mambo, I said it will be a VIRTUAL tie, within just a few percentage points, because of the uncertainties of the selected delegate process to date.
The wild mixture of caucuses, semi-caucuses, primaries, open primaries, closed primaries, weighted-district primaries and after-the-primary-caucuses has made a totally, and I mean a TOTALLY diverse and screwy election process.
It is virtually impossible to predict a General Election outcome from the results to date.
I don’t see how you can say We are going to “the whole population” at all.
In some states, it was only Democrats. In some states, it was only Democrats who had voted in the last Election. In some states, it was anyone who asked for a registration form, no matter what their party affiliation, and all they had to do was sign a form sating they lived there! (Iowa, NH)
This is why the Democratic Party put IN the Superdelegate system, to SE-lect the nominee when the E-lected process fails.
Duros, you’re wrong.
Latest polls (FOX, CBS, NY Times, others) show Hillary beats McCain by a couple in the General and Obama loses to him by a couple.
All across the South, and in swing states like Ohio and Florida, it’s not even close. Hillary does MUCH better than O ther ein the latest Quinnipiac.
It is virtually impossible to predict a General Election outcome from the results to date.
Yet, that is one of the top Clinton arguments for why the delegate leader in the election contest (Obama) shouldn’t be the nominee.
I think Dr. Monkey sums this up very well.
Latest polls (FOX, CBS, NY Times, others) show Hillary beats McCain by a couple in the General and Obama loses to him by a couple.
I don’t go by those polls. The MOE and selection grouping is too uneven. I prefer an average of most available polls. That’s why I said Average.
CNN, Gallup, Rasmussen, Fox, CBS/NYT, WSJ/NBC, Pew, AP, Nesweek averaged together puts Obama 0.3 over McCain
Obama 1.7 over Clinton this week.
Also, McCain v. Clinton has Clinton 3.1.
So, you know, win/win, but those numbers are gonna change after June.
There’s a post ahead of that one….waiting.
By the by, Wellstone, my cards are on the table in terms of the general: I will still vote for Clinton if she’s the nominee. Thus far, I haven’t seen Obama supporters on this site, including our host, state otherwise.
So if Obama wins the nomination, will you sit on your hands or vote McCain? Because that’s what’s going to decide how those numbers change after June.
I dunno, Spider. The number of defecting democrats could be offset by the number of defecting Republicans.
That RCP average is back-weighted in that it lumps in polls form 10-14 days ago. But even then, as I said the average is a couple points in Hillary’s favor now.
And the avg has only begun to catch up to the disastrous last few days for Obama.
I have stated clearly and unequivocally here in the past: If Obama wins, I am 110% behind Obama.
Ollie has said he will sit it out.
Obama is ahead and will be ahead when the final few contests are over.
That really depends on how the Michigan/Florida issue shakes out. Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard all the arguments both ways. Don’t waste your keystrokes on it. What the rules committee decides may have a major effect on the outcome of the nomination fight.
“At the end of the Primary process June 3, Hillary and Obama will likely be 1-3% apart in pledged delegate count and popular vote. A virtual tie.”
No, you idiot, it would be a win for Obama. Just like winning a state by 1-3% in the General election.
Clinton lost the nomination. Get over it.
I wanted Edwards to win. That didn’t happen. I got over it.
“I have stated clearly and unequivocally here in the past: If Obama wins, I am 110% behind Obama.
Ollie has said he will sit it out.”
That’s because the only way Clinton wins is to steal the election. She can’t win with the will of the people.
’stoneman:I have stated clearly and unequivocally here in the past: If Obama wins, I am 110% behind Obama.
I for one am glad to hear you say that.