Guess the pressure of the Bosnia lie was heating up, so Sen. Clinton goes to the well again.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton broke her week-long silence Tuesday morning about Senator Barack Obama’s relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, saying that she would have changed churches if her pastor had made the racially divisive and anti-American remarks that Mr. Wright had made.
At least when Mike Huckabee hung around in the GOP primary he didn’t try to tear down John McCain.
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Hmmmm. Clinton spiritual advisor Billy Graham warned about Jews dominating the media. Looking forward to Hillary repudiating his remarks and rejecting his counsel and the counsel that he gave to her husband.
Jeremiah Wright was among the spiritual advisers Bill Clinton consulted during his impeachment. Hillary should have divorced her husband for having a relationship with somebody who spoke such divisive remarks.
Also, for the infidelity.
I can actually get behind this philosophy. Everyone who hears something in church they disagree with it should immediately book it out of the building. We’ll have 800 churchgoers left in America by Election Day.
I was in Church once, and my pastor said some things with which I disagreed. I wanted to book it out of that place, but couldn’t for fear of the sniper fire raking the parking lot.
Slightly off topic, but you mentioned the Hillary in Bosnia issue. It irritates the living hell out of me when politicians (or anyone for that matter) uses the “I have been there” line like Hillary did. You know, that line when a country comes up in a conversation and they say “I have been there”. I was listening Bill Maher (yeah, yeah) on my iPod when some or other politician was using this argument that things are soooo much better in Iraq. You know - he’s “been there”. Like he knows something we don’t know. Sorry buddy. You haven’t been there. Going on an escorted trip to some holiday camp isn’t “been there”. It’s just a package deal holiday trip. It’s buying that Disney trip off the travel agent. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/25/i-have-been-there/
Isn’t everyone tired of this “guilt-by-association” bullshit yet? Listen, just because someone you’re close to says something that ruffles peoples’ feathers doesn’t mean that you, yourself, are responsible for those words. Additionally, you’re under no moral imperative to reject that person in total, to disown them as though a few charged comments send your relationship crumbling.
If everyone were held to that standard, we would all be alone.
Jesus tapdancing Christ, don’t we have better things to worry about than whether Obama’s pastor said some divisive words to his congregation? Fuck, this is so symptomatic of what’s wrong with American politics and the American public: A basic lack of critical thinking and attention, not to mention the massive misplacement of priorities. Gimme a fucking break.
…don’t we have better things to worry about than whether Obama’s pastor said some divisive words to his congregation?
We do, but when that’s the only thing you can tear him down with, you go with the attacks you have, not the attacks you wish you had.
Shit, my uncle is convinced we never went to the moon, but I still love him.
I don’t know how many times I heard that Hillary should have left Bill Clinton after the Lewinsky sex scandal. I thought it was a personal matter.
Given this and the BS that was a hallmark of the ’90’s, I am disgusted that we are getting this kind of rejoinder from Hillary. Frankly, I am finding absolutely no reason to vote for this woman under any conditions.
Should we ask her again why she is still married to Bill?
Duros…
We do, but when that’s the only thing you can tear him down with, you go with the attacks you have, not the attacks you wish you had.
I actually like Obama and have no desire to tear him down. I am rooting for Obama. But the sudden concern on the left about “guilt by association” is just killing me. If ever there was a legitimate reason for a stain on one person to rub off on another, this is it (due to Obama’s willful, prolonged efforts to hear this man’s message.) But even if there is no guilt–in spite of the association–the cries on the left now are simply unbelievable.
I wasn’t speaking to you personally, Scratch. Just the anti-hope crowd in general.
If ever there was a legitimate reason for a stain on one person to rub off on another, this is it
Oh, bullshit. You’re jumping to the conclusion that every Sunday morning is the same message, that every piece of counsel that Obama got from Wright included “Kill white people.”
There are plenty of stains to go around, pal. Hagee is one, Parsley is one, John Coe is one, Monica Lewinsky is one (whoops, literally, I guess). The list goes on.
Seriously, can we let this go now? Wright’s comments do not, I repeat, DO NOT reflect Obama’s general world view. A modicum of research would tell you that. Obama is much more of a free-thinker than that. I wish more of us were like that.
If you’re pulling for Obama, then do it. I saw some talking head last week after the speech asking “Does this speech end it for him and Wright?” The correct answer is “It would if you’d stop talking about it already!”
Duros is right. You said it better than I could’ve.
Although I am tempted to “Wright” this off as more team Clinton flailing in an attempt to snatch back the nomination, her continued Rovian attempts to leverage any and all subconscious racism to pull out a win really offensive. Really, could we please nail down what Wright said that was racist? When did he ever call out whitey? He slams the U.S. government and white racism and wanders into goofy town with plots about AIDS and the like, but I haven’t seen anything about hating whites/hispanics/anyone with a skin color lighter than creamy mocha. But here comes Hillary with the ol’ “I’m not racist, but if my reverend had said anything so racist, I’d pack up and leave…unless it’s my Right wing Family prayer circle, of course.” You also have to love the fact that her interview in Pittsburgh was with Richard Mellon Scaife…literally, he was right there…the man who has been front and center for every prominent (and many not so prominent) attempt to bring down the Clintons. Now he’s Hillary’s good buddy along with Rupert Murdoch. If we want to talk about guilt by association, how about that?
Scratch: “due to Obama’s willful, prolonged efforts to hear this man’s message”
And what exactly was the prolonged message of this man? He was pastor for over twenty years. Have you checked the tapes or transcripts of any of his sermons OTHER than the 30 seconds that gets replayed and quoted endlessly recently?
Have you?
I also love the idea that going to church regularly now constitutes a “willful” act. The right’s penchant for torture clearly has its roots in their “willful” torturing of the English language.
What I find offensive about Clinton’s rejoinder is that it fails to take into account the personal relationship Obama has with Wright, so saying “I would have left” means nothing.
Obama’s speech on the subject made it clear that he regarded Wright as family. Wright had awakened his mind to Christianity and Wright had presided over his wedding; these, Obama felt, were not matters to be swept under the rug just because Wright said something that Obama disagreed with. He spoke with Wright. He discussed, he debated. What he did not do was disown for personal gain.
Clinton fails to answer the real question, which is: “Would I cut ties with my church if my pastor and de facto family member said something I disagree with?”
If the answer is “yes, in a heartbeat,” then among other things she has no business siccing James Carville on Bill Richardson, since “loyalty” to a longtime friend means little to her. If the answer is “no,” then why is she going after Obama?
Clinton gave a direct answer to a direct question as part of a larger interview.
She answered the question forthrightly: She said what SHE would have done, and said everyone else was free to do what they thought right.
Of course, when you’re an Obama cultist, you don’t think. You feel pain ‘cos your man’s been hit, and you lash out at the target.