Two of the more prominent pro-Clinton bloggers out there (here and here) are using Sen. Obama’s connection to Jeremiah Wright (in the case of Taylor Marsh she goes so far as to regurgitate untrue information from Newsmax and Bill Kristol) to try and prove a point about Senator Obama’s judgement.
Their candidate, of course, voted for the damn war.
If we’re going to compare judgement, lets compare having an old family friend that says some admittedly nutty things versus voting for a war that will have killed 4,000 Americans in this year.
Lets.
Looking at Taylor Marsh and the other Hillary shill sites, I realize that they will try to destroy our party if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. They will recite GOP talking points until they turn blue if it helps Hillary- I’m convinced Taylor Marsh is a RNC plant. Isn’t anything Democratic about her or her show. She’s turned into Michelle Malkin.
When conservative wing nut sites start linking to you, you may be no longer be on the liberal side of the Democratic party.
When your political message consists of nothing more than names — “REZKO!!!! WRIGHT!!!! — you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic Party.
When you use fear in your political advertisements to get people to the polls, you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic Party.
(I bet we could probably make something like a Jeff Foxworthy list here.)
I was thinking the same thing z_adura, how about this:
When you steal ideas for your blog from Pam Atlas, you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic party.
Speaking about judgment, can we ask Hillary about the damned war and repealing the Glass-Stegall Act? After all, the economy and the Iraq war are the hot topics of this election and she showed poor judgment on both.
Wow- just browsing the Talkleft comments from the link and found this
a new commenter (5.00 / 1) (#161)
by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:24:34 AM EST
KQuark got banned on her first comment. New commenters need to read the comment rules. No personal attacks.
The comments about Hillary’s war vote are off topic and have been deleted.
This post is about Obama and how his relationships with Wright and Rezko reflect on is judgment. Feel free to opine that there is no negative association. But off topic comments will be deleted.
So it’s ok to smear Obama’s judgment but not ok to question how Hillary Clinton believed a serial prevaricator when he said we needed to go to war. Okedoke!
BTD is a jack-ass. And apparently ol’ Jeralyn is the same. They can talk about Obama’s JUDGMENT, but when Obama supporters try to riposte with an argument about Hillary’s JUDGMENT then that’s OFF-TOPIC. Whatever assholes.
When you steal ideas for your blog from Pam Atlas, you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic party.
Bingo. I thought that the first time I saw the Supergirl graphic.
When you start being a comment Nazi, you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic party.
That’s one more reason why I never really liked TalkLeft.
I find myself seeing remarkable parallels between Obama and Trent Lott, of all people.
Both men were caught saying highly flattering things about someone whose racist beliefs are thoroughly documented.
One major difference is that Obama’s ties to Wright are considerably stronger than Lott’s were to Strom Thurmond. Obama sought out Wright and his church, had Wright marry him and his wife, baptize their children. And in his political career, he praised Wright in public and in print (extensively quoting him, even using him for one of his titles), repeatedly sought his counsel, singled him out for laudations at events, and named him to his campaign staff.
Obama also bought tapes of Wright’s sermons (the ones being aired over and over are among those the Church sold as fundraisers), and said he listened to them while away from home.
It strains credibility that at no point in Obama’s attendance did Wright go off on the kinds of things he’s now renowned for (”US-KKK,” “God Damn America,” “The government invented AIDS to kill blacks and gays,” and that sort of garbage), and Obama was utterly unaware of just how “out there” the guy is.
Toss in how well Wright’s beliefs dovetail with Michelle Obama’s statement about never being proud of America before now, and you have the two people closest to Barack Obama espousing opinions that not only don’t sit well with a lot of Americans, but royally piss them off.
And Barack Obama didn’t fully understand this? I thought he was supposed to be so smart, with such superb judgment.
J.
Both men were caught saying highly flattering things about someone whose racist beliefs are thoroughly documented.
That a fact?
Then it shouldn’t be much trouble for you to remind us what Wright’s “racist beliefs” are. Would you please?
How the hell do I leave comments on those sites? I can’t for the life of me find a way to submit my own comments.
And poor Jay (Tea), why do you hate America so much?
Obama also bought tapes of Wright’s sermons (the ones being aired over and over are among those the Church sold as fundraisers),
As long as you’re up, fetch me some backup for this one too, willya?
So what’s the issue here? Is Obama a secret black nationalist that hates white people (like his own mother)? Is he a secret Muslim that sits in a Christian church for political reasons but subscribes to the black power agenda? What does this say about Obama?
What it says to the public that is paying attention is that Obama unites many different constituencies- disenfranchised blacks, liberal whites, blue collar workers and Hispanics. And unlike the “Merka, Fuck Yea” right wing brigade, most Americans have questioned what their country has done in respect to its people. Any thinking citizen of any country would.
Here’s a proposition Jay Tea, prove Wright’s statements wrong.
I’ll be the first to admit that Wright pushes the envelope too far (I really doubt the government invented AIDS), but the core of his argument is the kind of uncomfortable truth that the U.S. in all it’s infantile wisdom, will never have the stones to confront. Namely, the idea that the U.S. is ow reaping what it has sown for decades (this includes the dollar meltdown, btw, and not just 9/11)
So, go ahead and prove that America’s history of interference in Middle Eastern affairs isn’t at least somewhat responsible for 9/11 (hint: Google “blowback”). We lured the Soviets into Afghanistan, armed and trained Islamic militants and promoted one Osama bin Laden. We installed the Shah by subverting a truly democratically elected government and sold weapons via Israel to the Ayatollah to undermine Jimmy Carter, and we continued to sell Iran weapons to fund another effort to undermine the government of Nicaragua. We helped put Saddam in power and armed him with the very chemicals he would use to murder thousands of Kurds, all so he could fight Iran…who we were still arming. Even now, we throw billions at the warring factions in Iraq to buy a temporary “peace” so our criminal idiot-in-chief can strut about proclaiming the surge a success. Of course, there is a mountain of evidence that those groups are using that money, along with money from stolen national resources (like oil) and money from our “ally” Saudi Arabia, to re-arm themselves for a new wave of violence. Naturally there’s even more, much more, such as our illegal covert operations in Iran, the Israel/Gaza/Occupied Territories/Syria/Lebanon disaster, but why go on, it’s pretty clear we did nothing to inspire the attacks of 9/11 and Reverend Wright is just a dangerous racist loon.
Nothing condones the killing of innocents to avenge the deaths of other innocents, but Wright was hardly off his nut to denounce the U.S.’ history of self serving violence and oppression. If the U.S. weren’t a country of spoiled adolescents posing as an informed electorate, we might be able to have an intelligent conversation about the merits, if any, in Wight’s statements. Unfortunately all we have are jingoistic imbeciles who immediately wrap themselves in the flag, jump the first bus to Idiot-ville and keep the national “dialog” (of which there is really none) fully mired in the “U.S.A. or the highway” blather that keeps us from growing up and moving ahead.
So yes, good observation Jay Tea. Wright is much worse for condemning the under currents of greed and hatred that have fulled much of America’s “progress” than any of those Southern good ‘ole boys who promote it.
Say, how is Hagee doing?
I know this will sound weird to a goofball like Jay Tea, but people don’t necessarily agree with everything their friends, family, pastors and co-workers say. Furthermore, they may not even agree with more than 51%, but they’d still say you agreed with “most” of what they say.
Obama has said he doesn’t agree with Wright’s statements about AIDS, 9/11 and white America. I trust that he’s being earnest when he says this. The terrible part about this particular set of accusations is that it is being forwarded by idiot racist troglodytes and his Democratic Presidential opponent. I expected the former but am sickened by the latter.
I think the problem here is this “gotcha” politics that both sides, but especially Republicans, engage in. A good example is the Swift Boat Liars controversy. Does America REALLY believe that John Kerry faked his medals. I hoped not, but enough morons did that they voted for endless war. Unfortunately, while Republicans disenfranchise the poor and black, they enfranchise the stupid.
Does the American public REALLY believe that Obama is a secret black nationalist? If they do, I have no hope for this country. But I think Middle America is waking up from its long slumber.
OT: priceless quote from NY Magazine’s wrap up of the Spitzer affair:
“One local $1,000 girl known for a thoroughgoing reading of the Times op-ed page said she knew right away it was a Democratic sex scandal, “because if it was Republican the hookers would have been guys.””
It’s funny because its true.
“Both men were caught saying highly flattering things about someone whose racist beliefs are thoroughly documented.”
Following on Bill L’s challenge, Jay Tea, what exactly are Wright’s “racists beliefs” and how are they evident in his more controversial comments?
One of the interesting by-products of this silly Pastor Wright flap is that it provided Obama with an opportunity to establish beyond all doubt that he is a practicing Christian, and not a Muslim.
This blows one of the Right’s favorite talking points right out of the water.
I have long been a fan of both TalkLeft AND OliverWillis.
I came here tonight to share this link with Oliver and CK:
http://www.break.com/index/cute-dog-plays-fetch-with-himself.html
But, I also have to defend TalkLeft. Jeralyn has plenty of threads throughout the day. Many of those threads get 100-200 comments on them. She tries to keep the threads on topic. And she also has plenty of law business that needs attending to.
If you want to discuss Hillary’s vote on the war, if there isn’t an appropriate thread for that, hang around, and an open thread will arrive.
There are a few other rules too that crop up from time to time usually dealing with the fact that she is an attorney. When there are issues of real importance to her, she will create entire forums devoted to the issue and welcome people from all sides to participate.
And she has never allowed personal attacks, and has always asked people to “play nicely.” If you violate her rules, she normally warns you, she almost always announces when a post has been deleted and why.
There are lots of people there that support Obama over Clinton and can post there all day long. BTD is one, and he in a “front pager” there.
Anyway, enjoy getting your hate on, I am hopeful that sometime during the summer we can all have a larf about this.
It’s a great video too, enjoy that as well.
When you start being a comment Nazi, you probably aren’t on the liberal side of the Democratic party.
I agree with this. I usually can classify blogs pretty well by how they handle comments. But the issue isn’t one of how they handle offtopic comments, it’s how you handle ontopic comments.
Blogs that only allow “pro” comments and never “con” comments. Blogs that delete or modify “con” comments. Blogs that mock, or abuse or defame commenters that post “con” comments. Blogs that ban “con” commenters.
And you’re right, I typically find blogs like Hot Air, Free Republic, Red State, Protein Wisdom and righty blogs do that, whereas most left blogs allow a much more conversation to take place. Blogs like Atrios, Ezra Klein, Oliver Willis, FDL, Digby, TBogg, Talk Left, ….
The key is how ONTOPIC comments are handled, not OFFTOPIC comments.
There is a noticeable and remarkable exception that I think is very telling. Most feminist blogs CLAIM to be liberal blogs, but by examining how they behave in terms of comments, most of them can be seen to be authoritarian rightwing blogs. Blogs like Pandagon, Feministing, Feministe, Shakespeare’s Sister, I Blame The Patriarchy, and many other top feminist blogs have utterly repellent comment behavior. I won’t call it NAZI because that will of course bring up cries of the “F” word to them.
But I think it’s interesting and deserves to be discussed.
“Anyway, enjoy getting your hate on …”
The smirky condescension speaks for itself.
This whole episode is just sickening.
If Obama lacks judgment just for being friends with Tony Rezko, then I don’t know a single fucking person on the face of the planet with good judgment. We all have or have had friends who fuck up and do dumb things. We all have or have had friends whose poor behavior we should have seen coming a mile a way but didn’t because they were our fucking friends, we loved them and they were always good friends to us. Obama knew Razko for 17 years and never suspected he was corrupt? Hell, you could be married to someone for 17 years and suddenly find out that your spouse has been cheating on you. Should you have known? Should you have seen the signs? Maybe. But does failing to constantly suspect the behavior of someone you love mean you have poor judgment? It ain’t that simple and only a jackass with a political ax to grind would suggest otherwise. Obama’s lapse in judgment re: Rezko was in getting involved with his friend in a real estate deal — that is, the subsequent purchase of the extra land for his own lot — while allegations, just allegations mind you, were beginning to surface. If criminal allegations every arose about you, for instance, would you courageously insist that your good friends and family should question you and then question their own judgment for not seeing it coming? Seriously?
As for Wright, it’s even more ridiculous. According to Obama’s autobiography, Wright was the person who helped him find his way to Christ. Now if you respect faith and religion that’s supposed be a pretty fucking significant thing. Finding Christ changed Obama’s heart and head and helped him to change his life. if anyone thinks that that kind of transformation doesn’t bring with it a powerful bond with the person who helped lead them there, they don’t know what they’re talking about or, more to the point, they don’t care because of their own agenda. The point being is Obama could have disagreed with every other fucking thing that Wright said after “Jesus is the light and the way” and it would never change the power and bond of his conversion experience. It also wouldn’t keep him from listening to Wright for those things that he did agree with and that helped him strengthen his relationship with his God. Again, life is a little more complicated than political hacks and pundits would like it to be, indeed, need it to be, in order to advance their agendas.
Let me confess something, I’m in AA and I go to meetings. If you’ve never been, let me testify, you hear a lot of dumbass shit in and around AA meetings because you are in a room with a bunch of people from all walks of life that you wouldn’t normally associate with except for this one thing that brought you together: the desire to stay sober. I hear people in AA spout all kinds of garbage I disagree with, even my own sponsor, some of it political, some of it sexist, some of it racist. But I also hear these same people talk about sobriety, how they got it and how they keep it. One way you get and keep it, is by filtering out all the bullshit you hear in meetings and listening for the message that will help you get through one more day. And I wouldn’t repudiate, as people, a single one of the assholes I’ve met in AA — and I’ve met a lot of them — because no matter how much I might disagree with their politics or general philosophies, they have all, at one time or another, said something that kept me sober that day. I can reject every other dumbass thing they say, but I will always tune back in when I hear them talking about something that might just help me stay sober that day and I thank them for it.
The point being, if you want to tell me that Obama has to now repudiate the man who lead him to Christ and brought him into a deeper relationship with his God, and that his relationship with this man reflects poor judgment, just because you don’t like some of that man’s other ideas, you’re a fucking asshole with an ax to grind.
As you can probably guess, I wouldn’t last five minutes in the comment thread at Talk Left. However cute and cuddly that video is, and it is indeed cute and cuddly, you and those who are using Wright to attack Obama are also attacking the richness and complexity of human relationships and experience. It’s bullshit and you’re doing serious damage to political discourse in this country and you really ought to pause and think about that for a bit …
rant off.
Smirky condescension? In a thread of many people that don’t post at TL but complain about TL deleting offtopic comments? Not ontopic comments that disagree, but offtopic comments where the topic has been posted? You clearly have no clue as to how TL works but you are content to demand TL plays by your rules.
Five minutes? If you address the topic at hand in a thread and can keep from personal attacks you’ll last five years.
Now I admit I haven’t read Obama’s autobiography, so I am at a loss to understand this:
Finding Christ changed Obama’s heart and head and helped him to change his life.
Can you explain to me how he changed his life? I really haven’t heard any of this.
“I really haven’t heard any of this.”
I’m sorry but weren’t you just lecturing me on having no clue about something or other? I really could give a fuck about the comment policies at TL. I read and was responding to Jeralyn’s actual column which is total horseshit.
I’m sure it’s easy to defend Jeralyn’s comment policies. Who cares?
Try defending that column.
Like I said then fafaroo, enjoy getting your hate on.
Hey fafaroo, since you have no idea what it means when you say Obama found Christ, I looked it up. I found this article in Time Magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579,00.html
My Spiritual Journey — Barack Obama.
You may wish to read it, the first two pages, and then you can consider your own behavior, not mine, nor Jeralyn’s, not Clinton’s nor Obama’s.
And that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own–that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that the doctor had extended to me.
I find what he says true — and sadly, the typical Democrat boilerplate behavior he describes, and rejects fits you and confirms what conservatards say all the time, “there is no hate like liberal hate.” You can change fafarot. I know you can change. Yes you can. Si te puede.
Let me share something else very easy to find on the internet, Jerry. It’s actually on obama’s own site. You musy have missed it when you were studying and mastering the arcana of TLs comment policies. it’s from a speech he gave in connecticut in june 2007:
So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called “The Audacity of Hope.” And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn’t fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn’t magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn’t suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.
Read this passage and tell me that you believe Obama lacks good judgment because he allowed the wrong person to lead him to a deeper relationship with his God.
“And that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own–that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that the doctor had extended to me.”
You know, you really must not get it to cite this passage and then accuse me of being blinded by hate. Didn’t you read my original response? If I were to rephrase it in the light of this passage, I would have written: “I wouldn’t withdraw my good faith from some of the people I’ve met in AA because I disagreed with their politics or philosophies because each and every one of them has helped, in other ways, to keep me committed to my sobriety and so helped save my life.”
But Jeralyn is doing that to Obama, not because of what Obama believes in, but because of what Obama’s pastor believes — on some issues. Jeralyn is questioning Obama’s judgment because she doesn’t like some of his pastor’s ideas about race and politics. To do that, she had to first withdraw her good faith from Obama. Because Obama has explained himself and his opinions and his relationship with Wright. It is a human and complicated relationship that people of good faith recognize as such. And it has nothing to do with Obama’s judgment. Obama’s policies and philosophies are clear and have been influenced by what Obama found positive in Wright’s message. That should be plain as day to anyone who listens to Obama. Unless of course you first withdraw your good faith from him for your own reasons.
Are you kidding me?
Your original response to me was in a thread filled with vitriol towards a site and a person you have no information about. And when I defended her you told me I was being condescending.
Now, I am not a Christian, but I certainly hope and understand that Obama is a much better Christian than you.
Since Oliver apparently doesn’t mind the personal attacks, farfaroo, you sir, are a completely douchebag.
As for Obama, I will stand with many reasonable liberals who look with a skeptical eye at statements found on websites.
Frankly, Obama’s change of heart as you put it, is not quite how he puts it. He’s more honest than you. But many other liberals, not me, think of Obama’s change of heart this way: up and coming and bright politician without much “authenticity” in the Chicago African American experience seeks to gain that authenticity and does so by joining this Church.
In doing so, he aligns himself with Reverend Wright when convenient and when he needs to as a local politician and then ditches the guy when he moves into national politics and disclaims his past statements.
In the meantime, he clearly knew everything that this guy was preaching. Either he bought into it which explains the title of his book, The Audacity of Hope, or he didn’t buy into it, which is explained by his upbringing on Hawaii, where he states he was lucky to grow up in a middle class environment surrounded by cultures that he could learn about in an environment of mutual respect. (paraphrased from wiki). This explains why in Chicago he may have felt it necessary to join a church in which he disagrees with so much apparently of what the preacher had to say.
I don’t give a shit. I am not a Christian. I think he is qualified to be president. I think his judgment is questionable. Between Rezko and Wright, his judgment is questionable. You don’t like that I think his judgment is questionable? You don’t like that Merritt thinks his judgment is questionable? Who gives a shit what you think? However, your particular powers of persuasion where you start with vitriol and insult are not about to persuade anybody about Obama. But they do speak for you.
Stay out of my head, and stay out of Jeralyn’s head. You are not qualified to be an e-psychiatrist and tell us why we think what we do, or what we needed to do to get there.
I came here to wish Oliver well and share a video. I find you creeps using pseudonyms to bash a person who uses her name that you know shit about, and now I find you lording over how holier than thou you are than I. That person has clearly done far more than you have ever done to support progressive politics and to support equal rights and justice in this land regardless of race, creed, or color.
Suck my cock farfaroo whoever the fuck you are. I don’t give a shit. You’re a douchebag and from what little I know of Christianity, a very poor specimen.
Enjoy your little hatefest. Enjoy your time in AA. (You’re yet another sanctimonious AA fuck. Too bad Step 0 isn’t Stop being a sanctimonious holier than thou prick.)
Wow, dude. I mean just wow.
Oh and …
Your original response to me was in a thread filled with vitriol towards a site and a person you have no information about. And when I defended her you told me I was being condescending.
The vitriol came after I called you condescending. Just to set the record straight.
The “off topic” deleting (and banning, I mean come on, “that thread is off topic, you’re BANNED) is just a tool used to force off those who disagree with the blogger. You can find it used extensively at talk left and Taylor Marsh to remove those who criticize Clinton, but never those who rant at Obama, whether on topic or not. These sites have to use registration and bannination in order to keep the comments “pure”, yet these same bloggers rant about the evils of Daily Kos, TPM, Huff Po, and others who only ban those guilty of libel and then blame it on those sites being “Nazis” (”I was banned from Huff Po and all I said was that Obama was a Muslim polygamist goatfucker who’d arranged the murders of thousands of jews”).
And Jerry, it’s time to up the Xanax, Prozac, and voltage on the electroshock treatments. Because you’re completely off your shit. 7 paragraphs complaining about vitriol followed up by “suck my cock” demonstrates some serious problems. Maybe instead of being such a tool, you should ask fafaroo to set you up with some 12 step programs (is there one for hypersensitive douchebags?).
Wow Jerry (or should I say Gerilyn), if you’re typical of Hillary supporters its no wonder she’s getting her clock cleaned. You don’t seem to function very well in an environment where not everyone agrees with you.
Just a quick point of fact. You are using the wrong number for dead Americans. I believe that number is more accurate if you say 5,000. 4,000 is the number of dead American soldiers. The number jumps when you include contractors and such.
If we count dead security forces regardless of nationality the number goes to over 12,000.
Jerry, perhaps you can answer my question without running away this time.
As an out-of-state Iowa college student, why should I vote for someone who says that I don’t deserve a vote?
hey Zython, where you at? I was once an out-of-state Iowa college student (Iowa City) who voted for her husband, they didn’t seem to mind it so much in 1992.. Funny that.
Since we’re playing the gotcha game, might want to check the wording of your post for the facts yourself.
I do not believe 4,000 US soldiers have died in this year. Clearly, I can understand what you mean, but since you resort to namecalling of others who are “blissfully unaware” of the truth - it makes me realize that you shouldn’t be less than truthful in your own posts (either on purpose or by accident, right?).
Go Hawkeyes!
Grinnell College.
Taylor Marsh has jumped the shark in a major way.
Funny how all the people calling out ‘Sexism’ argue in a not-so-subtly racist way. i.e.: That scary dark man hates America and (clutching pearls) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A DARK MAN TOO!
When did the conservative side of the Democratic Party start to walk, talk, and act like Republicans?
What bugged me most about Jerry’s rant (not that there’s a real need for more reasons or anything) was the cynical tone about how Obama came to Christianity. Its the same tone I hear the media use to discuss almost anything about any Democrat - certainly with Hillary, maybe more than with anyone else. If you have that tone against anyone in the Democratic primary you may be no longer be on the liberal side of the Democratic party. Or the side of the Democratic party at all.
Now to be honest I can’t be certain Obama’s conversion wasn’t some carefully calculated political move. But if it is it means he is a bald faced liar, everything he stands for is probably just as calculated, and we should be worried about far more than his “judgement”. That Jerry frets over little more than judgement in the the face of such supposed behaviour reveals the same sickening cynicism we hear so often from traditional media.
Since I’d need some very strong reasons to doubt anyone’s claim of religious conversion its no surprise I find Obama’s believable, but it also jibes with my personal life. A long time agnostic I still have been fascinated with religion most of my life. I have been to a few different religious services over the years (I think my favourite was the Quakers), and while many times my interest was sort of anthropological, I still came with a real interest and an open mind. While it’s never happened to me I can see someone getting genuinely stirred in a life changing way by more than a few of those services. It really doesn’t sound so far fetched to me. I wonder what sort of disposition makes you think than anyone who says such a thing happened to them just “seeks to gain that authenticity and does so by joining this Church”.
“Michelle Obama’s statement about never being proud of America before now”
Stop lying and provide an accurate quote. It’s no accident that, over and over again, the people attacking Obama’s candidacy leave out the word “really”, which in context means “very”. And as all honest people acknowledge, the statement was specifically about political participation.
Toss in how well Wright’s beliefs dovetail
Yeah, two African Americans displaying dismay with America. Quite a “dovetail”.
espousing opinions that not only don’t sit well with a lot of Americans, but royally piss them off.
Yes, racist Americans.