Comments on: Sen. Clinton And Iraq

By: midderpidge

midderpidge — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:59:59 +0000

Obama on that vote:

“But, I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,” Mr. Obama said. ”What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”

Not exactly a staunch opposition there.

By: Repack Rider

Repack Rider — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:50:06 +0000

So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.

O-Dub already mirrored my comment. I am UID# 207 out of over 100,000 DKos users, which means I signed up on day one, and I suspect that everyone who was then reading that site was aware that the president lied about everything. He would lie about which was his left hand, just to stay in practice. Dick Cheney will tell you that the sky is orange. Maybe it is, on his planet.

Anyone who didn’t know that the president is a serial liar after the 2000 election does not deserve to be president. By 2003 in the runup to war he was caught lying in the State of the Union address, and Colin Powell was caught trying to sell a ten year old student paper to the UN as current intelligence.

As I told my own senator’s staffer WRT her vote on the AUMF, it’s like Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football. How many times in a row does an adult with an important job, where mistakes kill people and cost billions of dollars, FALL FOR THE SAME TRICK? If mistakes kill people and cost so much, why wouldn’t you do your damn homework?

By: Sean D. Martin

Sean D. Martin — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:38:19 +0000

Jay: The, “I WAS DUPED!” defense rears its ugly head again.

Yes, exactly the point being made. Once again, Jay and Oliver on the same side.

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:48:14 +0000

So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.

The, “I WAS DUPED!” defense rears its ugly head again.

By: lilacblush

lilacblush — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:47:31 +0000

Yepper. You hit the nail on the head on that one Oliver.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:09:45 +0000

So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.

I was smart enough not to believe him. So was Al Gore. So were many of you. She and the other Democratic senators knew better. If someone robs a bank and you drive the getaway car you aren’t uninvolved in the crime.

By: mingus

mingus — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:33:21 +0000

The more relevant point on this issue in my opinion is - has Obama’s voting record on Iraq funding or other matters pertaining to Iraq, while he has been in the U.S. Senate, any different than Clinton’s? Neither has shown any leadership in opposing the war while in the U.S. Senate. Opposing the war while running for a state office and where your opinion doesn’t really matter is one thing, doing something when you have the voting power to do something (and face potential political consequences) is quite another.

By: midderpidge

midderpidge — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:19:59 +0000

You forget Oliver, Bush lied about that resolution. So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.

Bush assured them he needed the resolution to force Hussein into compliance, he got it, Hussein was in compliance, inspectors were on the ground proving that the US intelligence was crap, and Bush invaded anyway.

I can’t guess how Obama would have voted on that resolution, because the on the surface it was forcing compliance and inspections, not an illegal war that has proven to be a huge mistake.

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:55:11 +0000

Well this is typical political nonsense. It’s ‘accurate’ because they specifically say that Clinton and Obama have the same “voting records” on Iraq. Her vote for authorization doesn’t count in the comparison because Obama wasn’t in office to vote on the authorization.