Gov. Timothy M. Kaine on Tuesday proposed mandated background checks for everyone who attempts to purchase firearms at gun shows - legislation he called critical to helping prevent tragedies like the shootings at Virginia Tech.
In Virginia and most other states, people can buy firearms from private, unlicensed dealers at gun shows without going through a background check. Such checks are required for sales by licensed dealers, whether they are at gun shows or somewhere else.
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Booooooo…being able to make a trade between private individuals is part of what makes Virginia fun.
Yes, I’m a liberal. But a liberal who also appreciates sensible gun laws that actually do something. This does nothing.
The guns purchased by the VA Tech shooter were through a dealer and he got a background check. This new law would not have helped.
legislation he called critical to helping prevent tragedies like the shootings at Virginia Tech.
Really? Considering Seung-Hui Cho purchased his guns at federal licensed firearms dealerships, I fail to see how that case and this legislation are relevant.
Because its about easy access to guns. Can you rationally tell me why firearms sales at a gun show should be more lax than in stores?
And what percentage of crimes committed with guys were purchased at gun shows last year?
Antique gun collectors often find firearms to add to their collections at gun shows. Laws such as this would prohibit such law abiding citizens from engaging in the practice of selling or trading in this manner. In short, the legislation is basically designed to put an end to gun shows.
There is not a single solitary shred of verifiable evidence to show that such laws would have a depreciable affect on crime. It’s feel good legislation. Nothing more. “Helping Virginia’s families.” Puh-lease.
Jay, you moron. How does background checks prevent people from buying or selling guns? Unless they can’t pass such a background check, in which case they shouldn’t have guns in the first place.
Seung-Hui Cho got a gun because information that would have prevented him from passing a background check was never entered into the system, because Republicans and the NRA made sure it wasn’t mandatory to do so.
Jay, you moron. How does background checks prevent people from buying or selling guns?
Because genius, guns shows last usually a day, maybe two. Contrary to what is reported, the “instant” background check is anything but, as it usually takes 3 days for check to be completed.
Again, if somebody can show me some evidence that there is a large amount of crimes being committed by people purchasing guns at gun shows and that such a law would have a depreciable affect on those crimes, I’ll be all for it.
Seung-Hui Cho got a gun because information that would have prevented him from passing a background check was never entered into the system, because Republicans and the NRA made sure it wasn’t mandatory to do so.
Total bullshit. Neither the GOP nor the NRA, or any other group is opposed to having mental background checks be part of overall process. Nor have they prevented it from being ‘mandatory.’ If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it.
Jay, you moron. How does background checks prevent people from buying or selling guns?
A majority of people buy guns at gun shops, not in back alleys. A background check will alert gun shop owners (or even responsible private gun sellers) of any flgs that might be out thier on a potential buyer. Check out what an instant background check covers and see what is checked on a state by state basis. Background checks are a cheap, safe, and easy way to help keep guns out of the wrong hands.
Me: “Jay, you moron. How does background checks prevent people from buying or selling guns?”
Jay: “Because genius, guns shows last usually a day, maybe two. Contrary to what is reported, the ‘instant’ background check is anything but, as it usually takes 3 days for check to be completed.”
Oh no. So you would have to wait three days to complete a sale! How terrible. This will completely kill the ability of gun collectors to collect guns.
Are you completely insane? If you can’t wait three days to buy a gun, you are not the kind of person who should be allowed to own a gun.
Jay: “Total bullshit. Neither the GOP nor the NRA, or any other group is opposed to having mental background checks be part of overall process. Nor have they prevented it from being ‘mandatory.’ If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho
“The report called Virginia’s mental health laws ‘flawed’ and its mental health services ‘inadequate’. The report also confirmed that Cho was able to purchase two guns in violation of federal law because of Virginia’s inadequate background check requirements”
You can find more details here…
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/TempContent/techPanelReport-docs/10%20CHAPTER%20VI%20GUN%20PURCHASE%20AND%20CAMPUS%20GUN%20POLICIES.pdf
Short Version: Information that was supposed to be given to the Federal Authorities that would have stopped him from getting a gun was never given because of the weak laws in Virgina. Guess who made these laws.
Oh, and by the way, there are more than a few groups that think there should be absolutely no restrictions on guns. Groups that think the NRA allows too much gun control.
CS, I said to provide evidence that the GOP and NRA prevented such laws from being passed or that they are opposed to it. The fact that the mental health laws in Virginia were lax doesn’t mean jack shit.
Guess who made these laws.
Again, show some verifiable evidence that somebody wanted to make these laws stronger and that the GOP along with strong lobbying efforts on the part of the NRA blocked it.
You can’t. So you won’t. Because you’re full of shit.
As always.
So here. I will help you out since you’re such a jackass:
NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill
After Virginia Tech Shootings, House Passes Bill To Strengthen National Background Check System
After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a “rather curious alliance,” such as between the National Rifle Association and the House’s most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.
That’s what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.
With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.
“We’ll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn’t have guns,” NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Atkisson
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/13/politics/main2923101.shtml
Jay: “You can’t. So you won’t. Because you’re full of shit.
As always.”
Wow. Coming from the biggest liar on this board, I consider that a compliment.
It was the GOP who created the laws in the first place. It was the Democrats who fixed it. The NRA is always involved in gun control laws when they are written, including when the loophole was created in the first place.
It was the GOP who created the laws in the first place.
Wrong again. The NCIS background checks came as a result of the Brady Bill which was passed and signed in 1993 with a Democratic Congress and Democratic President. The law took effect in 1994. It simply means that checks on mental health were not included with the original bill.
Loopholes are not “created” genius. Loopholes exist because the original law was poorly written.
Why don’t you just admit you’re wrong?