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You mean the woman who stopped the church shooter was a trained and regulated security professional (I remember reading something about regulated militias somewhere before)? She wasn’t just a mercenary cowboy who bought a shiny plaything gun to run around with?
You’re kidding.
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Of course, you ignore the underlying fact that a person with a gun stopped another person with a gun.
One could only imagine how much some people would bemoan the fact that a church had armed security guards. If I remember correctly, the usual suspects were all aghast at the notion of colleges and universities hiring armed security guards in the wake of the Va Tech massacre.
Yup, an ex-cop — as in “ordinary citizen, not part of any militia or militia-type group” — stopped the killer. Jane Doe, who had no more legal right to possess a firearm and carry it into that church (a church!!!! Why, that’s as publicly accessible as a mall!!!!) than anyone else, stopped a man who had killed two people in a prior shooting, already killed one in the church, and was packing enough ammunition to kill at least a hundred or more of the several thousand present.
Sheesh, she was no longer a police officer. She’d left that job years and years ago. What kind of crazed nut was she to think she had the right and the need to keep packing, especially in a church?
She’s already shown that she’s ready and willing and capable of killing another human being with her gun. I think she needs to have her license taken away and her guns confiscated until she undergoes a thorough mental health examination and a full background check. I mean, do we know why she is no longer a cop? Was there some instability or corruption going on?
Hell, we might even need a special prosecutor to find out what made her do what she did.
(There, I think I hit all the standard anti-gun-nut talking points… did I miss anything?)
J.
Oh, and no, she is NOT a “trained and regulated security professional.” She is an ex-cop who belongs to the church, and was one of several members who were volunteer security guards — about half of which were armed with their own personal weapons and with no more license than a permit for personal possession.
In fact, she wouldn’t even qualify as a member of the “militia” in the classic sense, because that was restricted to able-bodied MEN.
She is just an average citizen and member of her church who offered her services when she perceived a need — and saved countless lives in the process.
Too bad she wasn’t in the Omaha mall last week… but that was a gun-free zone for everyone but the killer. I guess he missed the signs.
J.
So many words signify diddly. She wasn’t one of your wingnuts with a gun fetish but somebody actually trained and licensed to use a gun for protection.
Before this weekend, the shooter had no criminal record. Are you in favor of his right to carry, Jay Tea?
Sorry Oliver, you can’t get away so easily there bub.
Ms. Assam was not “licensed to use a gun for protection” any more than I am. She was issued a Colorado State Concealed Pistol License, something any law abiding “wingnut with a gun fetish”, or leftist libtard, can get by going to their local police station and asking for an application and completing the criminal background check.
We’ll expect a full retraction, of course.
Last week you were a racist (believing the ref was a white man, with no evidence whatsoever, remember), this week you’re just a jackass with no facts.
Let me make it abundantly clear:
Ms. Assam was legally entitled to carry her weapon, and thank heavens for that. But she had absolutely no special authority or licensing or regulating or anything than, say, your average member of the Minuteman Project or Mark Furhman.
And yes, the gunman (I refuse to use the names of these sick fucks, to do my little bit to deny them the fame they craved and committed their atrocities to achieve) did not have a criminal record. Neither did the Virginia Tech shooter, as I recall. But both had a significant history of mental issues.
If you disagree with me and say that Ms. Assam had some sort of authority or qualification from the government that those members of the Minuteman Project who carry guns lack, I’d be delighted to hear of it. But from all I’ve read, she is simply a former police officer who chose to keep a firearm on her after surrendering her badge, had a premonition that there would be trouble at the church last Sunday, urged the leadership to ratchet up security, was one of numerous congregants who volunteered to provide protection, and took the necessary action when her fears came to pass.
She was not a deputized officer of the city, county, state, or federal government. She was not a licensed professional security officer employed by the church. She was a private citizen who, in a moment of crisis, took the law into her own hands and shot and killed someone.
Someone who, as they say in Texas, “needed killing.”
And we should all be grateful that the church chose to accept the offer from her and the other security volunteers (at least one of whom proved himself useless — Assam was NOT the first on the scene.) If they had instead chosen to simply declare the church a “gun-free zone” like a certain mall in Omaha or a college campus in Virginia, the body count would most likely have been a lot higher.
J.
She wasn’t one of your wingnuts with a gun fetish but somebody actually trained and licensed to use a gun for protection.
Oliver, do you think most gun owners are people that just get guns so they can run around yelling, “Yeee-haw!!!” while waving their pistols around? It may surprise you to know that gun owners often go to the range to practice and learn.
The woman had a concealed-carry license which anybody can get provided they pass a background check, prove competency with a firearm (former law enforcement officials and members of the military automatically qualify on that part. Others have to take a required course) and pay any required fees (that’s how it works here in Florida anyway. I’m not sure what the exact procedure is in Colorado, though I suspect it is similar).
Face it dude. This is the exact kind of situation that occurred where you and others said would lead to wild west shootouts and mayhem.
Ms. Assam is great (and hot, too)! She did what needed to be done when it needed to be done.
She needs to be permanently honored on the G-Man’s “Stacked and Packed” calendar.
And yes, the gunman (I refuse to use the names of these sick fucks, to do my little bit to deny them the fame they craved and committed their atrocities to achieve) did not have a criminal record. Neither did the Virginia Tech shooter, as I recall. But both had a significant history of mental issues.
But nevertheless, he had a right to own and carry firearms, right Jay Tea?
Before this past Saturday night, would you have supported any argument that the shooter should not be allowed to have a weapon?
But nevertheless, he had a right to own and carry firearms, right Jay Tea?
Though I cannot speak for Jay Tea, the position of most gun owners is that background checks should include any mental issues in addition to criminal checks.
The NRA supports this position as well.
the position of most gun owners is that background checks should include any mental issues in addition to criminal checks.
Really?
Your position–and that of the NRA–is that there should be a government database of personal mental health records?
I find that surprising.
How would we gather this data? Would physicians and psychiatrists be required to report certain diagnoses? What diagnoses would be disqualifying? Depression? OCD? ADHD? Or would you only exclude full-bore schizophrenics?
Oliver, do you think most gun owners are people that just get guns so they can run around yelling, “Yeee-haw!!!” while waving their pistols around?
No, just gun-nuts like you.
Quaker, were I to play along with your little “change the subject” game, I’d ask you on what grounds you would have stripped the shooter (pre-shooting; it’s kind of moot now, much lke him) of his 2nd Amendment rights.
But the subject here is not the dead asshole, but Ms. Assam. And it’s now been discovered that she was not simply a former cop, but a cop who had been fired for official misconduct — losing her temper on a bus while answering a call, then lying about it to a police investigation. So she had absolutely no more right to carry that gun than any other citizen who had undergone training and obtained the proper paperwork — such as, say, Mark Furhman and some members of the Minuteman Project.
To me, her past makes her story even more exceptional, and her even more heroic. A true triumph of the average American being in the right place at the right time with the right tools to be a hero — and saving countless lives.
Too bad there wasn’t someone like her (a private citizen with a licensed and registered handgun) in that Omaha mall or on the Virginia Tech campus. But those were “gun-free zones,” and law-abiding people like Ms. Assam (and her gun) weren’t welcome there. Instead, the New Life Church had a death toll of one innocent, while eight innocents died in Omaha and 32 in Blacksburg.
J.
Your position–and that of the NRA–is that there should be a government database of personal mental health records?
When a state board or commission or a state certified shrink determines that a person is a danger to themselves and/or others, that information is no longer ‘personal.’ People seeking treatment on their own do not have their records submitted to NICS.
That being said, you’re changing the subject because the issue is not the creep who did the shooting, but the private citizen who stopped more people from being killed because she used her firearm to stop him.