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	<title>Comments on: Middle East Summit</title>
	<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/</link>
	<description>Like Kryptonite To Stupid</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83148</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83148</guid>
		<description>Awwww, poor Dugger.  Showing off his ignorance of the whole subject again.  The majority of American attacks are carried out by Sunni insurgents and Al Qaeda (sunni) attacks.  Sunni specifically means not Iran.

The administration tries to blame Iran, but failed to make the case.  For instance IEDs that the administration claimed could only come from Iran have been found to be manufactured in Iraq.  No wonder the Bush administration has no credibility.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awwww, poor Dugger.  Showing off his ignorance of the whole subject again.  The majority of American attacks are carried out by Sunni insurgents and Al Qaeda (sunni) attacks.  Sunni specifically means not Iran.</p>
<p>The administration tries to blame Iran, but failed to make the case.  For instance IEDs that the administration claimed could only come from Iran have been found to be manufactured in Iraq.  No wonder the Bush administration has no credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83147</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83147</guid>
		<description>zadura

two things

My typing sucks.  Always has.  If you ar going to 'sic' every typo, your 'sic' fingers are going to get very tired. I don't care.  If I fix my typing I forget where I parked the car.

Does it ocur to you at all, that conservatives are individuals and have differing opinions amongst themselves.  I am not accountable for what the Doc or JW say, any more than they I.  If you think you win a debate with me by saying 'but Angus Podgorny said'...you are sadly mistaken.

and, midder, thanks for the intelligence update.  I'm amazed how the CIA, FBI, military intelligence agencies and foreign intelligence agencies can't find stuff out like that, but some puny little blog commenter on OW can.  But then OW knew exactly where OBL was hiding, so who knows.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zadura</p>
<p>two things</p>
<p>My typing sucks.  Always has.  If you ar going to &#8217;sic&#8217; every typo, your &#8217;sic&#8217; fingers are going to get very tired. I don&#8217;t care.  If I fix my typing I forget where I parked the car.</p>
<p>Does it ocur to you at all, that conservatives are individuals and have differing opinions amongst themselves.  I am not accountable for what the Doc or JW say, any more than they I.  If you think you win a debate with me by saying &#8216;but Angus Podgorny said&#8217;&#8230;you are sadly mistaken.</p>
<p>and, midder, thanks for the intelligence update.  I&#8217;m amazed how the CIA, FBI, military intelligence agencies and foreign intelligence agencies can&#8217;t find stuff out like that, but some puny little blog commenter on OW can.  But then OW knew exactly where OBL was hiding, so who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83146</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83146</guid>
		<description>Considering if Iran did arm insurgents, that would account for about 10% of the attacks on Americans.  Alot of funding for the other 90% of the attacks comes from Saudi Arabia.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering if Iran did arm insurgents, that would account for about 10% of the attacks on Americans.  Alot of funding for the other 90% of the attacks comes from Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83145</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83145</guid>
		<description>"A conservative doesn't spend that much and pursue an aggressive intervntionist forein policy."

That's awesome. A true conservative wouldn't have invaded Iraq but you liberals are goddamn traitors for opposing the war!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A conservative doesn&#8217;t spend that much and pursue an aggressive intervntionist forein policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s awesome. A true conservative wouldn&#8217;t have invaded Iraq but you liberals are goddamn traitors for opposing the war!</p>
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		<title>By: z adura</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83144</link>
		<dc:creator>z adura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83144</guid>
		<description>Funny comment regarding "aggressive intervntionist (sic) forein (sic) policy," Dugger, because I was told on this very blog by you or Dr. Pedro that foreign interventionism had been a mainstay of the conservative movement since Nixon.  Keep movin' those goalposts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny comment regarding &#8220;aggressive intervntionist (sic) forein (sic) policy,&#8221; Dugger, because I was told on this very blog by you or Dr. Pedro that foreign interventionism had been a mainstay of the conservative movement since Nixon.  Keep movin&#8217; those goalposts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83143</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83143</guid>
		<description>Bush may be right wing in relation to your own ideologicial position, but he is not a conservative. A conservative doesn't spend that much and pursue an aggressive intervntionist forein policy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush may be right wing in relation to your own ideologicial position, but he is not a conservative. A conservative doesn&#8217;t spend that much and pursue an aggressive intervntionist forein policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83142</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83142</guid>
		<description>Dugger. you're gonna give yourself whiplash, swinging your reality around like that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger. you&#8217;re gonna give yourself whiplash, swinging your reality around like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83141</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83141</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What are we going to ask Syria and Iran? Please stop sending weapons and personnel into Iraq? Stop killing our soldiers there? Stop sending weapons into Lebanon? Stop building a nuke?&lt;/i&gt;

If you don't ask, the answer is always "No."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What are we going to ask Syria and Iran? Please stop sending weapons and personnel into Iraq? Stop killing our soldiers there? Stop sending weapons into Lebanon? Stop building a nuke?</i></p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t ask, the answer is always &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83140</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83140</guid>
		<description>Yup. You just gotta love 'em. Thanks, Dugs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. You just gotta love &#8216;em. Thanks, Dugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83139</guid>
		<description>I love conservatives. Just love 'em. To them, it's magical thinking to believe that constructively engaging our enemies through diplomacy might achieve anything.

Bush isn't a conservative and Chamberlain constructively engaged Hitler.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love conservatives. Just love &#8216;em. To them, it&#8217;s magical thinking to believe that constructively engaging our enemies through diplomacy might achieve anything.</p>
<p>Bush isn&#8217;t a conservative and Chamberlain constructively engaged Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83138</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83138</guid>
		<description>Oliver's "magical thinking" assumes that if we would have sat down with "all of the allies" in 2005 or 2006 and "talked," then the sectarian violence and terrorist infiltration in Iraq would have magically disappeared.

Again, I'm confused.  Kerry said "all of the allies."  Syria and Iran are now our allies?  Were they our allies in 2004?

What are we going to ask Syria and Iran?  Please stop sending weapons and personnel into Iraq?  Stop killing our soldiers there?  Stop sending weapons into Lebanon?  Stop building a nuke?

Iran will be interested in "talking" for only the amount of time it takes them to finish their nuclear research.  Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq will talk with Iran simply because they don't want to be on the receiving end of an Iranian nuke.

If we were smart, we would be working covertly within Iran to erode Ahmadinejad's increasingly fragile support base.  That's the most sensible solution to eliminating the threat he poses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; assumes that if we would have sat down with &#8220;all of the allies&#8221; in 2005 or 2006 and &#8220;talked,&#8221; then the sectarian violence and terrorist infiltration in Iraq would have magically disappeared.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m confused.  Kerry said &#8220;all of the allies.&#8221;  Syria and Iran are now our allies?  Were they our allies in 2004?</p>
<p>What are we going to ask Syria and Iran?  Please stop sending weapons and personnel into Iraq?  Stop killing our soldiers there?  Stop sending weapons into Lebanon?  Stop building a nuke?</p>
<p>Iran will be interested in &#8220;talking&#8221; for only the amount of time it takes them to finish their nuclear research.  Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq will talk with Iran simply because they don&#8217;t want to be on the receiving end of an Iranian nuke.</p>
<p>If we were smart, we would be working covertly within Iran to erode Ahmadinejad&#8217;s increasingly fragile support base.  That&#8217;s the most sensible solution to eliminating the threat he poses.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83137</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83137</guid>
		<description>"Oil and Oil. Republicans and Foreign policy."

Ha!

I love conservatives. Just love 'em. To them, it's magical thinking to believe that constructively engaging our enemies through diplomacy might achieve anything.

On the other hand, they believe that refusing to speak with our enemies at all is the serious person's plan to concrete results.

Fellas, our invasion of Iraq put us at the mercy of Iran and Syria whether we liked it or not because we couldn't control the borders ourselves.  We essentially gambled the fate of the mission in the wild hope that radical forces in Iraq and the neighboring countries, whether official or unofficial, would do the right thing because, well, just because.

And we get accussed of magical thinking. Brilliant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oil and Oil. Republicans and Foreign policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha!</p>
<p>I love conservatives. Just love &#8216;em. To them, it&#8217;s magical thinking to believe that constructively engaging our enemies through diplomacy might achieve anything.</p>
<p>On the other hand, they believe that refusing to speak with our enemies at all is the serious person&#8217;s plan to concrete results.</p>
<p>Fellas, our invasion of Iraq put us at the mercy of Iran and Syria whether we liked it or not because we couldn&#8217;t control the borders ourselves.  We essentially gambled the fate of the mission in the wild hope that radical forces in Iraq and the neighboring countries, whether official or unofficial, would do the right thing because, well, just because.</p>
<p>And we get accussed of magical thinking. Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83136</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83136</guid>
		<description>Iran Strategy Group:  Iran wants to open up talks with us, talk about their nuclear program, Iraq, and terrorism; this is counter to our Middle East strategy.  To your posts.  Dick, Karl, to the command center, Colin, to the communication room, Condi to the shoe store.

George Bush:  I hope this won't take long I was gonna play hopscotch with Barney.

Iran Strategy Group:  very good move  Mr President, that's bold decisive leadership.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran Strategy Group:  Iran wants to open up talks with us, talk about their nuclear program, Iraq, and terrorism; this is counter to our Middle East strategy.  To your posts.  Dick, Karl, to the command center, Colin, to the communication room, Condi to the shoe store.</p>
<p>George Bush:  I hope this won&#8217;t take long I was gonna play hopscotch with Barney.</p>
<p>Iran Strategy Group:  very good move  Mr President, that&#8217;s bold decisive leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83135</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83135</guid>
		<description>Wasn't it Iran that reached out to us and we said no thanks?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Iran that reached out to us and we said no thanks?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83134</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83134</guid>
		<description>In Dugger's world the fact that Bush never tried means it never could have been done.

Oil and Oil.  Republicans and Foreign policy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Dugger&#8217;s world the fact that Bush never tried means it never could have been done.</p>
<p>Oil and Oil.  Republicans and Foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83133</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83133</guid>
		<description>Yeah, but how exactly does OW know it could have been done in Sept 2004?

Would Syria have agreed? Iran (still hasn't agreed this time)? China? Etc

No this is the rankest of speculations on his part.  Just like when he just knew the answers to all our problems was to invade Pakistan and go right to OBLs address (which we assume OW would provide us) and kill him.

Sigh. Oil and water. Progressives and foreign policy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but how exactly does OW know it could have been done in Sept 2004?</p>
<p>Would Syria have agreed? Iran (still hasn&#8217;t agreed this time)? China? Etc</p>
<p>No this is the rankest of speculations on his part.  Just like when he just knew the answers to all our problems was to invade Pakistan and go right to OBLs address (which we assume OW would provide us) and kill him.</p>
<p>Sigh. Oil and water. Progressives and foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83132</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83132</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://adfware.free.fr/gay/idiot.swf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pedro&lt;/a&gt; trots out the false equivalency card yet again.

Please stop talking, I can't brain anymore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://adfware.free.fr/gay/idiot.swf" rel="nofollow">Pedro</a> trots out the false equivalency card yet again.</p>
<p>Please stop talking, I can&#8217;t brain anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83131</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83131</guid>
		<description>Yeah, let's wait until Iraq is a festering pot of death squads, revenge killings, crime, terrorism, corruption, civil war, hopelessness and hell before we try diplomacy.  Good plan, Pedo.

I think the problem is GW BUSH has too many "play dates" and not enough work time scheduled.

It's like: hey, let's start that big terror response drill that simulates attacks on 10 American cities!  Everyone to their post!

Bush: but I want to go for a bicycle ride.  I don't need training wheels anymore, you know.

Drill Leader:  That is your post George.  Don't forget your Snack'ems.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s wait until Iraq is a festering pot of death squads, revenge killings, crime, terrorism, corruption, civil war, hopelessness and hell before we try diplomacy.  Good plan, Pedo.</p>
<p>I think the problem is GW BUSH has too many &#8220;play dates&#8221; and not enough work time scheduled.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like: hey, let&#8217;s start that big terror response drill that simulates attacks on 10 American cities!  Everyone to their post!</p>
<p>Bush: but I want to go for a bicycle ride.  I don&#8217;t need training wheels anymore, you know.</p>
<p>Drill Leader:  That is your post George.  Don&#8217;t forget your Snack&#8217;ems.</p>
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		<title>By: PBen</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83130</link>
		<dc:creator>PBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83130</guid>
		<description>Imagine, "All options are on the table" will now even include DIPLOMACY!!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine, &#8220;All options are on the table&#8221; will now even include DIPLOMACY!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83129</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/28/middle-east-summit/#comment-83129</guid>
		<description>Gee, Pedro, I would have thought that part of diplomacy would be to cultivate the best possible relations with other countries all along, rather than wait and ignore them until it's a crisis or until things have passed the point of no return.

But I guess that's "magical thinking".
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Pedro, I would have thought that part of diplomacy would be to cultivate the best possible relations with other countries all along, rather than wait and ignore them until it&#8217;s a crisis or until things have passed the point of no return.</p>
<p>But I guess that&#8217;s &#8220;magical thinking&#8221;.</p>
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