Comments on: Smoke & Mirrors http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:13:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Natural Male Enhancement http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84917 Natural Male Enhancement Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:44:01 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84917 Thanks for very interesting article. btw. I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… makes you think more. So please keep up the great work. Greetings. Thanks for very interesting article. btw. I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… makes you think more.
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]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84916 midderpidge Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:27:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84916 It don't get more conservative than this: Bush would be happy to drive this country back to dark ages, except there wouldn't be whites on this continent, so what I mean is he would love nothing better than to make America into a feudal society. Except the ruling Lords and families own companies that everyone else is forced to work for. You can see the seeds of this in his immigration policy. It don’t get more conservative than this: Bush would be happy to drive this country back to dark ages, except there wouldn’t be whites on this continent, so what I mean is he would love nothing better than to make America into a feudal society. Except the ruling Lords and families own companies that everyone else is forced to work for. You can see the seeds of this in his immigration policy.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84915 Nimrod Gently Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:49:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84915 <i>Bush </i>is <i>too liberal</i> for you? What the blind hell? Bush is too liberal for you? What the blind hell?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84914 midderpidge Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:37:28 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84914 Of course you don't see lies or cooked books, you see only through Bush-colored glasses. Of course you love Bush, you have shown your unabashed koolaid sycophancy many times over. It's why when we laid out solid, A-B-C cases proving various Bush lies you fall back to irrational and irrelevant defenses of said lies. If you don't believe the books were cooked, go back and put together that list of Bush claims that turned out to be true. Because most of them were knocked down or discredited as soon as he made them. Denial. Look it up. Of course you don’t see lies or cooked books, you see only through Bush-colored glasses. Of course you love Bush, you have shown your unabashed koolaid sycophancy many times over. It’s why when we laid out solid, A-B-C cases proving various Bush lies you fall back to irrational and irrelevant defenses of said lies.

If you don’t believe the books were cooked, go back and put together that list of Bush claims that turned out to be true. Because most of them were knocked down or discredited as soon as he made them.

Denial. Look it up.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84913 Dugger Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:23:13 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84913 Did it get too deep for you midder? I keep arguing a lie hasn't been proven or that there is any proof he cooked the books. I don't see a lie or cooked books, but actually neither you nor I have the security clearances to know. And I don;'t love Bush. he's too liberal for me. I just don't like seeing hate go unchallenged - and Bush is defineitely hated on the left. Did it get too deep for you midder? I keep arguing a lie hasn’t been proven or that there is any proof he cooked the books. I don’t see a lie or cooked books, but actually neither you nor I have the security clearances to know.

And I don;’t love Bush. he’s too liberal for me. I just don’t like seeing hate go unchallenged - and Bush is defineitely hated on the left.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84912 Nimrod Gently Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:37:47 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84912 I SMELL A BIG COMMIE RAT I SMELL A BIG COMMIE RAT

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84911 Duros62 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:06:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84911 Man, you guys sound more like George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove every day. Man, you guys sound more like George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove every day.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84910 midderpidge Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:59:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84910 Provide that list of Iraq WMD claims Bush made that turned out to be true, Dugger. You keep arguing he didn't cook the books, show us. You may love Bush to the exclusion of rationality, but the rest of the world knows he cooked the books and lied. His judgement and credibility are suspect. Provide that list of Iraq WMD claims Bush made that turned out to be true, Dugger. You keep arguing he didn’t cook the books, show us. You may love Bush to the exclusion of rationality, but the rest of the world knows he cooked the books and lied. His judgement and credibility are suspect.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84909 Dugger Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:24:30 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84909 midder, Guess what. Its hard for the military and intelligence specialists to know if intelligence is good. That was true before Bush; will be true afterward. You may hate Bush, but no one has estblished that he cooked any books or lied. It may be that the case wasn't strong enough - I don't know (neither do you). The process of vetting intelligence is as important as gleaning the original intelligence. duros, Yes it could (15 years). I would want good, hard intelligence. I do know there is a gap between coming up with the war head and having an effective delivery system. Its a very hard mission for the Israelis - range wise. Something goes wrong, the region explodes and the Iranians still have nukes. The Iranians hate us anyway, I would just take out the whole 'nucular' infrastructure and protect Kuwait and Saudi. They can go batsh*t crazy within their own borders all they want - but without nuke warheads and delivery systems. midder,

Guess what. Its hard for the military and intelligence specialists to know if intelligence is good. That was true before Bush; will be true afterward. You may hate Bush, but no one has estblished that he cooked any books or lied. It may be that the case wasn’t strong enough - I don’t know (neither do you). The process of vetting intelligence is as important as gleaning the original intelligence.

duros,

Yes it could (15 years). I would want good, hard intelligence. I do know there is a gap between coming up with the war head and having an effective delivery system. Its a very hard mission for the Israelis - range wise. Something goes wrong, the region explodes and the Iranians still have nukes. The Iranians hate us anyway, I would just take out the whole ‘nucular’ infrastructure and protect Kuwait and Saudi. They can go batsh*t crazy within their own borders all they want - but without nuke warheads and delivery systems.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84908 Duros62 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:34:47 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84908 "On the verge" could very well mean 15 years. Settle down, Beavis. And frankly, I think the Israelis would probably beat you to it. “On the verge” could very well mean 15 years.

Settle down, Beavis.

And frankly, I think the Israelis would probably beat you to it.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84907 midderpidge Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:48:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84907 The problem is us civilians can't tell if the intelligence is good, especially with Bush in office. He just has no credibility and a history of only looking at the intelligence he likes, no matter how fake, false, dubious, discredited, or cooked. The problem is us civilians can’t tell if the intelligence is good, especially with Bush in office. He just has no credibility and a history of only looking at the intelligence he likes, no matter how fake, false, dubious, discredited, or cooked.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84906 Nimrod Gently Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:57:35 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84906 And so are you. And so are you.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84905 Dugger Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:44:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84905 duros, If intel was good and (as Pres) I knew that Iran had or was on the verge of having nuke capabilities, I would bomb their nuke industrial (and anything remotely associated with it) infrastrucure back to the stone age. Might require wiping out there air force and air defens estructure. Don't think I would invade un less there was absolutely no alternative (but I doubt I would have gone into Iraq also). So hell yeah, I am in favor of pre-emption. duros,

If intel was good and (as Pres) I knew that Iran had or was on the verge of having nuke capabilities, I would bomb their nuke industrial (and anything remotely associated with it) infrastrucure back to the stone age. Might require wiping out there air force and air defens estructure. Don’t think I would invade un less there was absolutely no alternative (but I doubt I would have gone into Iraq also).

So hell yeah, I am in favor of pre-emption.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84904 Nimrod Gently Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:17:17 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84904 You are quite genuinely terrifying. You are quite genuinely terrifying.

]]> By: pedromd07 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84903 pedromd07 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:06:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84903 Thank god! We finally knocked some sense into Nimrod! Thank god! We finally knocked some sense into Nimrod!

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84902 Nimrod Gently Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:56:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84902 Oh, well, if Iran might be able to manufacture nuclear weapons one day that could potentially be pointed at America, possibly, then we really have no choice but to END COUNTLESS LIVES OVER IT. Oh, well, if Iran might be able to manufacture nuclear weapons one day that could potentially be pointed at America, possibly, then we really have no choice but to END COUNTLESS LIVES OVER IT.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84901 Duros62 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:47:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84901 oops oops

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84900 Duros62 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:47:07 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84900 So, you are in favor of a "pre-emptive" strike. <i>At some stage we must expect that Iran will acquire the capacity to enrich uranium</i> So, you are in favor of a “pre-emptive” strike.

At some stage we must expect that Iran will acquire the capacity to enrich uranium

]]> By: pedromd07 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84899 pedromd07 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:57:18 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84899 Nimrod, not only wrong, but consistently wrong...this from your side of the pond <b>At some stage we must expect that Iran will acquire the capacity to enrich uranium on the scale required for a weapons programme,” says the paper, dated February 7 and circulated to the EU’s 27 national governments ahead of a foreign ministers meeting yesterday. “In practice . . . the Iranians have pursued their programme at their own pace, the limiting factor being technical difficulties rather than resolutions by the UN or the International Atomic Energy Agency. “The problems with Iran will not be resolved through economic sanctions alone.” <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ae2d5d24-badd-11db-bbf3-0000779e2340.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ae2d5d24-badd-11db-bbf3-0000779e2340.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ae2d5d24-badd-11db-bbf3-0000779e2340.html</a></a></b> Nimrod "can't we all just get along...!?" Nimrod, not only wrong, but consistently wrong…this from your side of the pond

At some stage we must expect that Iran will acquire the capacity to enrich uranium on the scale required for a weapons programme,” says the paper, dated February 7 and circulated to the EU’s 27 national governments ahead of a foreign ministers meeting yesterday.

“In practice . . . the Iranians have pursued their programme at their own pace, the limiting factor being technical difficulties rather than resolutions by the UN or the International Atomic Energy Agency.

“The problems with Iran will not be resolved through economic sanctions alone.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ae2d5d24-badd-11db-bbf3-0000779e2340.html

Nimrod “can’t we all just get along…!?”

]]> By: Diamond LeGrande http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84898 Diamond LeGrande Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:59:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2007/02/12/smoke-mirrors/#comment-84898 c\was pushed\pushed c\was pushed\pushed

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