The butcher of Baghdad sleeps with the fishes. Kind of quick and relatively pain-free for such a monster.
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Saddam is dead; woo frickin’ hoo. We all know it doesn’t solve Iraq.
A monster created and destroyed by the US of A. We had no damned business being involved in this execution.
I thought Saddam was tried, convicted, and executed by his own countrymen.
“We all know it doesn’t solve Iraq.”
Traitor.
There are at least two butchers of Baghdad in that photo.
Terrific. Where’s Osama?
Now we’re bitching about the execution?
Holy crap!
Killing Saddam will only inflame the Sunni Baathist insurgents. It would have been better to ease tensions between the factions first rather than throw gasoline on the fire.
The Shia/Kurd run government has flexed its muscle. Now let the blood flow.
Or perhaps they killed Saddam before he could squeal on the Bush crime family.
Would that solve Afghanistan or anything with al Qaeda?
Our coward Bush wanted Saddam executed to put the focus on Saddam. The ordinary Iraqi people are being killed at a faster rate under Bush’s leadership than under Saddam’s regime.
Source?
way to silence the man who could have spilled the beans on Daddy Bush.
He spoke plenty during his trial. Do you and Red think he held back? Maybe he could’ve said something to his lawyers? A few of them are not friends with the Bushes.
“Would [getting Osama] solve Afghanistan or anything with al Qaeda?”
Not the former, but it might help with the latter. Now I don’t watch the Military Channel or read Tom Clancy novels as much as your average Bush worshipper, so I’m clearly not qualified to make this assessment, but I’d venture a guess that Osama’s capture would not be entirely unproductive in terms of getting some more info on al Qaeda. And shouldn’t that be our goal?
This is the part where the star animation streaks underneath “The More You Know”.
We’re not bitching about the execution, Francis, we’re merely observing that the monster we nurtured has now, having reached the end of its usefulness, been destroyed.
With Saddam dead, it looks like it’ll be up to you guys here to “spill the beans” on Bush and his family. We want to know all the Bush family secrets, especially their recipes!
N G :: My name is not now, nor has it ever been Francis. If we’re going to start calling people whatever we want, so we begin by belittling them, then I’ll just call you fuckhead.
But to your stupid point. Nobody nurtured him. He was not one of the Menendez brothers, killing his absurdly wealthy parents, then pleading for mercy because he was an abused child.
He was a useful tool when he was at war with Iran, and we used him. I don’t recall anything in the deal about gassing the Kurds, flooding dissenting regions, or letting his savage sons run loose to rape little children.
Why liberals, even foreign liberals, insist that everything is America’s fault (while, at the same time, insisting America no longer has any power or influence) is beyond me.
FIX
You keep telling yourself that, Francisco. History is history, blind partisanship can’t change it.
I will say this though: where the hell do you think he got the gas from, his sphincter?
Lots of places.
Especially considering Iraq was reportedly using chemical weapons against Iran before Rumsfeld met Saddam.
There goes a witness to Bush I’s and Reagan’s complicity in Saddam’s gas attacks and other acts of terrorism. Saddam was a Republican and American
creation of America, primarily Republicans, and served his master well until, for reasons of political expediency, they betrayed him.
The remaining question, will Dubya obtain Saddam’s head and donate to his old faternity, Skull & Bones?
Why do you need a witness to something you already completely believe?
So no other governments were involved with the power struggles in Iraq? America and elements in Iraq worked together in a vacuum?
You act like this was a bad thing. It sounds like you are condemning the US treating Saddam like an enemy. Is this really the face of today’s Left, or are you just on the fringe?
I’ve already seen the stats that of all the people who supplied Iraq with weapons, NBC or otherwise, we were a poor fourth or fifth to China and France, one of which was the first, the other second, I forget which.
The point is if we sold him potash, and he made explosives, does that make us killers? Which way does the blame flow, Numbnuts Gallantly?
Who’s the blame for Saddam Hussein ignoring our orders to stop firing on our flyovers, stop bullshitting arms inspectors, stop stuffing dissidents into shredders?
This is isn’t a game, Negative Goldfish.
What did we think he was going to use the potash for?
So your argument is that the major powers of the west aren’t terrifyingly amoral pragmatists, they’re just naive to the point of rank stupidity?
“It’s not our fault, we didn’t know he was going to use that Sarin for genocide! We thought he just had a lot of weeds to clear or something!”
OK, so know at least we’ve gotten from “America” to “the west”.
Now how about we add to the realism by recognizing Singapore, China, India, and Egypt as major players in Iraqi chemical munitions (much beyond the US role).
Oh, yeah…I forgot…Blame America!!
Blame the military industrial complex and everyone who happily keeps it going.
You people aren’t bright enough to get that your own personal feelings don’t matter next to world events. You actually think you have a right to be angry and hate Saddam? When our leaders are the ones who gave him his orders? You’re guilty, you’re not angry.
I hate it when you people, who clearly know NOTHING about international politics declare this a good thing. Do you know what this will result in? The killing of a popular Sunni leader (and he was popular among sunni’s, make no mistake) on a day holy to sunni’s and not to shiites? You brought us one step closer to a regional war between the shiites and the sunni’s and their respective allies. We don’t exactly have a lot of steps left to go either.
Can you afford 8 dollars a gallon for gasoline? The Saudi’s and the Iranians would both be involved. On opposite sides, each disrupting the others oil supply. Do you know that India is an ally of the suuni’s right? And that Pakistan is a traditional ally of the Shiites? No? You do know that those two countries have been hostile towards each other ever since the partition of India. You know they have nuclear weapons right? They could destroy half the subcontinent. Do you think China could sit it out if they went Nuclear? If china got involved, could we stay out and risk a chineese-dominated middle-east?
Christ, You people just aren’t knowledgeable enough to really understand what it is you’re cheering here. Do you care? I doubt it. You’re the kind of people that knew exactly what circumstances were required for the giants to enter the play-offs but can’t be bothered to spend 10 minutes researching the actual politics of this. So please, for the love of your country if you really have any beyond how big it makes you think your dick is, go back to watching football and leave these sorts of things to people who actually know what they’re talking about.
Funny…I thought the Iraqi court system executed Saddam. My bad.
“I thought the Iraqi court system executed Saddam.”
Bwa-ha-ha! Good one, JWG!
Lmao, sure they did JWG. I don’t know wether you’re naive or dishonest. I don’t really care either. Both are sins in my book.
Yeah…those brown people in the desert aren’t capable of producing justice on their own.
Quite the contrary, JWG. I’m certain that they are perfectly capable of “producing justice on their own.” If only we’d get the hell out of their way so they could do just that.
JWG, you’re our greatest natural resource for Strawmen.
An interesting retrospective on Saddam.
Every bit of Left wing mythology about Hussein that can be found, collected in one place.
Bravo, Bill!
There are no such things as Macra! Macra do not exist! The colony does not believe in Macra! There are no Macra!
Hey, fd10801, do you have any links you can provide to refute any of the claims made in that video? I’m not an expert on Saddam, but I figure you must have some cold hard facts upon which to base your “mythology” claim.
Thanks.
Actually, there were dozens of statements in that PowerPoint presentation that were not supported.
I do know that I did a 20 page comparison of how Iran and Iraq came to power — during Gulf War I. The facts I uncovered then (pre - Internet, pre - Google, and pre - WikiPedia) showed Sadddam Hussein to be quite the vicious fellow with little or no help from the United States. The powerpoint presentation implies the the US chose who Hussein should assassinate when he took over, for example (go watch it again, if you don’t believe me). An actual full length film that I have seen several times shows an assembly of his erstwhile supporters being taken out of a room, and shots ringing out. As more and more men left the room, more and more shots rang out. Since none of the men returned, the remaining victims were, understandably, less and less anxious to leave. Never have I seen such fear on film. And he was just beginning.
I’m not about to go rummaging around in Google - land to find every other tin foil hat wearer who swears that we put Hussein in a Cairo apartment to assassinate an Egyptian leader; and put him in power in Iraq, and recognized him immediately, and all this other crap.
In view of your skepticism of religion, of which you were so proud the other day, can’t you muster some of that skepticism for a lengthy slide show that materializes within a day or so after his execution?
Or is your non - scientific faith reserved only for les causes leftistes?
PBS Frontline
UPI
Reuters
The New York Times
Chemical weapons trail
I’m sure that, despite being constructed almost entirely out of material sourced from major newspapers, Senate reports, and so on, the main retort to this list will be to attack the websites and not the content. It’s the dreaded “lefty effect” where something is true until reprinted on a left leaning website.
“The facts I uncovered then (pre - Internet, pre - Google, and pre - WikiPedia) showed Sadddam Hussein to be quite the vicious fellow…”
Frank “uncovered” the fact that Hussein was a brutal tyrant! (FYI, the Internet is way older than you apparently think, so I’ll assume you meant Mozilla, or some graphically friendly front end to the Internet).
Sometimes comedy just writes itself.
In the first place, Iraq and Iran are nation states that do not “come to power.” There were created in the 20’s after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
As for Saddam being a tool of the Regan Regime and the CIA, that is beyond dispute, just as it is beyond dispute that the Regan regime didn’t care one whit about Saddam “killing his own people.”
Bill L. no one attacked the sources, just as no one substantiated the content, as in when the CIA supposedly encouraged Hussein to kill the Egyptian leader (if Hussein was looking to make a reputation for himself — which was reported in news bios recently dozens of times); now suddenly the powerpoint presentation calls him CIA agent Hussein, something I had not read anywhere. That’s the difference.
Mike, my analysis was how they became post - colonial independent powers. Sorry if you misunderstood.
I never said Reagan’s CIA discouraged Hussein from killing anyone. I said the powerpoint presentation is misleading because it it pretends that 800 and something enemies Hussein killed were the same as the names given him by the US. Don’t tell me you didn’t understand what I meant.
The Juan Cole story itself which presents evidence described by you as “beyond dispute” contains qualifying usages like, “plausible”, and “alleged”. Sure, you can believe them if you want, but I don’t have to, on your say so.
As for Hussein being a tool of the Reagan administration and the CIA, I would question your and Cole’s interpretation of the word “tool,” especially given your use of the word “regime” to describe an American administration. Your bias is showing. Juan Cole’s bias has been speaking for itself for a long time.
I’ll assume you meant Mozilla, or some graphically friendly front end to the Internet
You’re too kind.
I’ve been playing with computers since 1967. And you?
I’ll assume you meant Mozilla, or some graphically friendly front end to the Internet
You’re too kind.
I’ve been playing with computers since 1967. And you?
I’ll assume you meant Mozilla, or some graphically friendly front end to the Internet
You’re too kind.
I’ve been playing with computers since 1967. And you?
Stop saying that.
fd10801:
“Actually, there were dozens of statements in that PowerPoint presentation that were not supported.”
Okay. Feel free to refute any of them (with a link or two, please.)
“I did a 20 page comparison…”
Okay. Post it online so we can check it out.
“An actual full length film that I have seen several times…”
Does this film have a name? I’d like to see it.
“I’m not about to go rummaging around in Google - land to find every other tin foil hat wearer who swears…”
How about rummaging around to find one source that refutes any of the claims in the flash movie.
“can’t you muster some of that skepticism for a lengthy slide show…”
Sure. Show me some evidence that the slideshow makes false claims and I’ll gladly re-evaluate my opinion of it. I’ll even give you an example. The slideshow claims that Hussein was angry with Kuwait for lowering the price of oil, and that was the main reason for the Gulf War. According to Wikipedia, though, “Leading up to the invasion, Iraq complained to the United States Department of State about Kuwaiti slant drilling.”
Slant drilling. Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil. Does this detail matter? Does it change the overall validity of the movie? Maybe. Maybe not. The point is that if you want to call something bullshit, you should back it up. (Note the formula: mention fact in question, provide link to refute it.)
“Or is your non - scientific faith reserved only for les causes leftistes?”
Whoo! Stinging attack to cap it off. Of course, I could point out that your blind irrational faith in absurd tales seems to be reserved for Jesus and GW Bush. I mean, if you were half as skeptical about Christianity as you are about this slideshow…