I. Didn’t. Say. That.

“military interrogators via the SERE [Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape] schools, where US military personnel are trained to resist torture if they are captured by the enemy”

Actually went through this in Washington state - back in the early 1970’s. Lots of fun.

And no Stalin murdered many many millions. We threaten with dogs and make terrorist suspect prisoners gain weight. But I can see how you might think that what we do is something even worse than Hitler. You and Sen Durbin.

H*ll, my Torquemada suit is too big. How am I going to torture those who don’t think like me without a costume. Whats the fun in that?

While it does say “Republican” on my voter registration card, I’m gonna let you in on a little secret that you apparently missed in fourth grade social studies: Regardless of what party you’re registered, you can vote for whomever you want.

You seem to make the mistake of assuming anyone who disagrees with self-important left-wing jackasses is automatically a Bush and Santorum worshipper.

In fact, even though it’s none of your damn business, i’ll let you in on my choices in November:
Governor: Rendell (D)
Senator: definitely not voting for Santorum, but Casey is a worthless twit, so i still haven’t decided if I’m gonna vote for him or some whacky third party nut.

Congress: It’s pointless because most Philadelphia voters are mindless idiots and it won’t matter anyway, but I am voting straight Republican in local races, because on a corruption and incompetance scale, Philadelphia Democrats make Congressional Republicans look like honest choirboys.

My question is, why would they want to? This whole bill just seems like such a bad idea.

Here, timing won’t be an issue

Damn right it doesn’t redeem anything. Beyond that all you’re doing is attacking some blog poster over a minor oversight while your party of choice has made torture our national policy.

Way to get your priorities straight, dipshit.

Wow, four Republicans voted to strike. I guess that redeems the soul of the Republican party. On to the next legislative atrocity!

Wow, Specter and Chafee are now D’s. who knew?

The similarity between practices used by the Khymer Rouge and those currently being debated by Congress isn’t a coincidence. As has been amply documented (”The New Yorker” had an excellent piece, and there have been others), many of the “enhanced techniques” came to the CIA and military interrogators via the SERE [Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape] schools, where US military personnel are trained to resist torture if they are captured by the enemy. The specific types of abuse they’re taught to withstand are those that were used by our Cold War adversaries. Why is this relevant to the current debate? Because the torture techniques of North Korea, North Vietnam, the Soviet Union and its proxies–the states where US military personnel might have faced torture–were NOT designed to elicit truthful information. These techniques were designed to elicit CONFESSIONS. That’s what the Khymer Rouge et al were after with their waterboarding, not truthful information.

Bottom line: Not only do waterboarding and the other types of torture currently being debated put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they’re also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel. This isn’t a matter of sacrificing moral values to keep us safe; it’s sacrificing moral values for no purpose whatsoever.

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2006/09/this_is_what_wa.php

So, we have adopted policies similar to the Khmer Rouge. Awesome. At least we don’t use Stalinist practices, right, Dugger?

Oh that’s hilarious torture boy.

It’s nice to see that some people find our slide to the level of petty dictators and terrorists so amusing.

Dugger, you’re an asshole.

BTW. For all non progressives political managers reading this: Mr Rove said you might want to prepare your candidates to take advantage of another drop in gas prices - expected (ahem) as the elections near.

The votes are in. Say goodbye to Habeas Corpus America!! We’ve truly entered a dark time for the world.

Here are the real American Senators who voted Yea to strike Yea Akaka (D-HI), Yea Baucus (D-MT), Yea Bayh (D-IN), Yea Biden (D-DE), Yea Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Boxer (D-CA), Yea Byrd (D-WV), Yea Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Chafee (R-RI), Yea Clinton (D-NY), Yea Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dayton (D-MN), Yea Dodd (D-CT), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea Feingold (D-WI), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea Jeffords (I-VT), Yea Johnson (D-SD), Yea Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea Levin (D-MI), Yea Lieberman (D-CT), Yea Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea Reed (D-RI), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea Smith (R-OR), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea Sununu (R-NH), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Here are the loyal fascists to BushCorp who voted Nay- against habeau corpus Nay Alexander (R-TN), Nay Allard (R-CO), Nay Allen (R-VA), Nay Bennett (R-UT), Nay Bond (R-MO), Nay Brownback (R-KS), Nay Bunning (R-KY), Nay Burns (R-MT), Nay Burr (R-NC), Nay Chambliss (R-GA), Nay Coburn (R-OK), Nay Cochran (R-MS), Nay Coleman (R-MN), Nay Collins (R-ME), Nay Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Craig (R-ID), Nay Crapo (R-ID), Nay DeMint (R-SC), Nay DeWine (R-OH), Nay Dole (R-NC), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Nay Ensign (R-NV), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay Frist (R-TN), Nay Graham (R-SC), Nay Grassley (R-IA), Nay Gregg (R-NH), Nay Hagel (R-NE), Nay Hatch (R-UT), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Nay Kyl (R-AZ), Nay Lott (R-MS), Nay Lugar (R-IN), Nay Martinez (R-FL), Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Nay Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Nelson (D-NE), Nay Roberts (R-KS), Nay Santorum (R-PA), Nay Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Nay Talent (R-MO), Nay Thomas (R-WY), Nay Thune (R-SD), Nay Vitter (R-LA), Nay Voinovich (R-OH), Nay Warner (R-VA), Nay

Funny how all the R’s are on the side of enabling the Dictator in Chief.