I think it’s seriously screwy to suggest that the anthem of our country is somehow robbed of its authenticity if its in another language. The only important issue is - do the concepts remain the same, do the values hold true? That’s all that matters. You could translate the national anthem into Klingon, if it still says that the flag was still there? Mission accomplished.
By the way, I recommend that all Americans once in their live experience Fourth of July along the Charles River in Boston. The Star Spangled Banner punctuated with actual cannons is not a sight to be missed.
This hysteria over this song is turning into the “Freedom Fries” moment of 2006, once again embarrassing America in the eyes of the world as the naked idiocy of the nativist, know-nothing right wing gets whipped out in its ugly splendor for all to see.
The Spanish song uses the melody of the National Anthem, but it is not the anthem itself, and the people who are upset at this artistic interpretation are no different than the loudmouths who got annoyed at Jose Feliciano, Jimi Hendrix and every other artist who’s decided to do their own riff on it because let’s face it - the original melody wasn’t all that hot when it was a British drinking song!!!
“America the Beautiful” is far superior.
Let’s all remember that, unlike most countries in Western Europe, we don’t have an official language in the US. Despite the fact that many English speakers would have you believe differently.
In one of my English courses in college, a course in word etymolygy and dialectism taught by a non-native English speaker, this was a topic of great debate.
I agree with Our Leader, but he should take this a step further. The words to “My Country ‘Tis of Thee” should be scrapped in favor of “God Save the Queen.”
Then I guess its safe to assume you people say the Lord’s Prayer in Aramaic?
Quaker, I saw “The Greatest Story Ever Told” on TV Easter Sunday. Jesus had blue eyes and spoke English.
“Even our Spanish media are saying, ‘Why are we doing this, what are you trying to do?’ ” said Pedro Biaggi, the morning host with El Zol (99.1 FM), the most popular Hispanic radio station in the Washington area. “It’s not for us to be going around singing the national anthem in Spanish. . . . We don’t want to impose, we don’t own the place. . . . We want to be accepted.”
From the Washington Post Apr 28 2006; Page A01
I can tell you this: Pretend what you will, they altered the words of the National Anthem in support of their cause.
And this is upsetting because….? We have a thing called artistic freedom in this country.
This will not sit well with the average American. This movement is making more enemies than friends every day.
I’m surprised they don’t have more enemies, actually, with the corporate media machine whirring into full gear to demonize and dehumanize these people. It’s so sad and predictable to see the same tools, the same manipulation thats always designed to direct the focus away from the powerful and towards attacking the powerless. It’s a form of cowardice, and it works all too well, dating way back to when they got impoverished white people to buy into the idea that they shared a special identity with slaveowners that made them better than those dangerous black people who needed to stay in chains.
OK, enough snark. Here’s what I have to say:
Some Americans speak Spanish. Only. They’re just as American as you.
Perhaps you’re having a good time, or, more sadly, you really don’t know what’s going on. They didn’t just translate the song — they changed the words…
Some Americans — present company excluded, I presume — care.
And liberals are always getting exercized when they’re accused of not being patriotic.
Perhaps it would be appropriate to paraphrase those famous words from The Treasure of Sierra Madre: Patriotism?! We don’ nee’ no e - stinkin’ patriotism!
From the story I saw on the news yesterday, the words were changed more for considerations of rhyme and meter than to deliberately change the meaning of the anthem. But the English translation of the Spanish version did sound kind of awkward. It was also reported that the impetus for the Spanish version was the distress the organizer (sorry, can’t remember his name) felt at protesters carrying Mexican flags and his desire to get people to identify with the anthem.
Frank
” I can tell you this: Pretend what you will, they altered the words of the National Anthem in support of their cause.
This will not sit well with the average American. This movement is making more enemies than friends every day. ‘
Absolutely. Though I think Democrats should stake out this position. let them be the ones arguing that the Anthem can be bastardized/hybridized to please their little political constiuencies.
Dugger
Somebody’s taking offense because somebody else sings a song in his or her own language?
Why?
Does singing the anthem in Spanish hurt somebody somehow?
This week on Manufactured Outrage, Talk Radio Edition: “Did you know that “Happy Birthday” is sung in Spanish in households all around the United States???? They dare to call it “Cumpleaños Feliz” even though the original song was written in English!!!!!
I can tell you this: Pretend what you will, they altered the words of the National Anthem in support of their cause.
This will not sit well with the average American. This “movement” is making more enemies than friends every day.
People keep writing this, but nobody wants to tell us what they supposedly changed.
And I think the cannons are for the “1812 Overture,” not the anthem.
Some Americans present company excluded, I presume care.
On the specific issue of this song: At best, they’re misguided. At worst, they’re racist. Where do you stand?
Perhaps it would be appropriate to paraphrase those famous words from The Treasure of Sierra Madre: Patriotism?! We don nee no e - stinkin patriotism!
I think you may be hinting at an answer to my prior question with your choice of stereotypical mocking of accents, but I’ll let it rest.
Look, there’s the ‘freedom fries’ sort of patriotism and then there’s the sort of patriotism derived from living in a country where we’re free to modify lyrics to a song. So yes, if America ever does get to the point where you can’t say or write or sing what you want, how you want, that’s the day I will no longer be patriotic because that will be the day America dies.
Let’s call the whole thing off.
I don’t always have luck posting links. This is from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12521196/ :
Adam Kidron, president of Urban Box Office, the New York-based entertainment company that launched the project:
“It’s the one thing everybody has in common, the aspiration to have a relationship with the United States . . . and also to express gratitude and patriotism to the United States for providing the opportunity,” says Kidron.
In the Spanish version, the translation of the first stanza is relatively faithful to the spirit of the original, though Kidron says the producers wanted to avoid references to bombs and rockets. Instead, there is “fierce combat.” The translation of the more obscure second stanza is almost a rewrite, with phrases such as “we are equal, we are brothers.”
An alternate version to be released next month includes a rap in English that never occurred to Francis Scott Key:
Let’s not start a war
With all these hard workers
They can’t help where they were born
Frank, as I said, my previous post was based on a partial news report I say yesterday. You’re right. These additional changes aren’t merely stylistic.
And if they’re going to change the lyrics as drastically as reported, maybe they shouldn’t present it as the anthem. But Deus is correct, too. Those that support the new lyrics aren’t necessarily unpatriotic for doing so.
You say po - tah - toe, and I say po - tay - toe.
A quick story about the meaning of the National Anthem.
Abbie Hoffman told it on Dick Cavett: He was at a baseball game. When they played the Star - Spangled Banner, he stayed in his seat. By the end of the song, all eyes in the stadium were on him.
Well, eventually, nature called, and when Abbie got up to answer the call, he faked a limp. Even he couldn’t take the force of public opinion.
For those of you too young to fully appreciate the story:
http://theaction.com/Abbie/
that will be the day America dies.
Spare me the drama.
It’s not against the law to change the words of the Star - Spangled Banner, but (do I really have to say this?) it is extremely poor taste.
Some people, as histrionic as you seem to be, might say, “Brave men died for that song!”
But, I do wonder if you don’t support the President, don’t believe in going to war for what America believes in, or when America’s in danger, and you don’t care if they burn the flag, or change the words of the Star - Spangled Banner to further a narrow political cause, then how do you define patriotism?
No, JSA they do cannons at the 4th also.
Now is the time for all good Americans to protest the incursion of Latin culture into our country!
This is how far those darn Latins will go to pollute our country! Our pledge of allegiance in another language!
Frank, you can stop this! Write to the publisher and tell it that it can’t put our pledge into another language without harming our heritage!
I noticed you didn’t answer the question…
Not that I expected that anyone would… or could.
Patriotism is now just a series of symbols, songs, and unrelenting loyalty?
That sounds like an ‘ism’ I know, but it doesn’t start in ‘Patriot’.
This is exactly the same fuss we saw when Jimi Hendrix did his instrumental version. In 20 years or so this will be an accepted version.
Um…No cuss words or offensive material and I am being moderated? Maybe I just don’t understand why things are “moderated”.
Frank,
I will run with your question. Patriotism is in your acts and setting a good example for your country. Patriotism is loving what is different and similar in our country. Patriotism is unique much the way we express love or honor for things of this world. I would love to say that conservatives clingyness to symbols was somehow philisophical, but in my opinion they are actually tied to really simple feelings. Burning our flag is childish and petulant, but it is not the end of moral sanity as we know. I appreciate the meaning of having a flag and I treat it with respect, but I do not worship a colored cloth. Same with our anthem. I choose to say our pledge in English and would probably prefer that it is generally said in English, but again, if it is uttered in Spanish, I will not call for a Spanish Inquistion type action upon the perpetrators(Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!). Symbols like our flag, the pledge of allegience are important but let us not say that our country fought for “THE SONG” but rather for our freedom and way of life. Symbols are meant as reminders of certian philosphies and aspects of our country but they are not meant to be A Golden Calf. If conservatives would treat the idea of patriotism with more respect, then I believe they would not need to invest soo much into symbols but actions of patriotism.
How do I define patriotism? Patriotism is loving one’s country and -for us Americans- loving the ideals on which it was founded. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, all men created equal, the constitution, the bill of rights. As long as we have those things we have America. We could change the flag, change the national anthem, we could all start speaking Spanish and we would still have America. Fetishizing a flag, a song, a language, following a Fuehrer wherever he leads: that’s not patriotism, it’s triibalism.
How do you define patriotism, Frank?
What would our fore founders say? thats all I have to say!
O videre potes
per aurorae lucem
quod salutavimus
subter noctis occasum?
cuius clavi, stellae
per horrendam pugnam
ex propugnaculis
volantes videbantur!
et missiles ignes,
bombi explodentes,
nocte arguerunt
stare vexillum nunc.
o dic an nostra stellosa
penna adhuc volet,
super terram libero-
rum et domum fortium.
The “fore founders” would have said, “National anthem? What’s that?”
The Star-Spangled Banner wasn’t made the national anthem until 1931.
This story has been misrepresented by many in the mainstream media as just singing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. From the excerpts I have heard, at least it was sang with feeling and respect, compared to the disgusting rendition by Roseanne Barr, who apparently thought she was being funny.
For those interested to actually know what is in this song, the words can be found at http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-060426nuestro,1,2759626.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
The following is a part of chant from the song:
These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws.
See this can’t happen, not only about the Latins.
Asians, blacks and whites and all they do is adding
more and more, let’s not start a war
with all these hard workers,
they can’t help where they were born.
All of the phony outrage from some conservatives will go they way of Freedom Fries, another stupid idea courtesy of the republican congress. Of course if you prefer the right winger’s take on this you can go here:
http://texasrainmaker.com/
Patriotism is now just a series of symbols, songs, and … loyalty?
No. That’s an indispensable part of patriotism
pa·tri·ot·ism (p’tr-Y-t-z’Ym) pron. n.
Love of and devotion to [emphasis added - fd] one’s country.
Orale, Jorge!
BTW, Wilbur, nice translating job…
Now, if we could just get a good singer, like Roseann Barr, to sing it!
I’ll agree with Frank for once, Wilbur — that’s a good tranalaton. I’d make the penultimate line “super terram liberum” — “liberum” is an accepted genitive plural in the first and second declensions, albeit not common in most words. Doing this does change the accent on “domum” in the final line, however.
But nothing in the definition Frank quoted, nor in Washington’s quote, suggests that the symbols and songs are a part of patriotism.
“super terram liberorum et domum fortium”
Now that’s just surreal. I feel like I should be chanting it, and finishing it up with “Aaaaaahhh mennnnn”.
Oh, then there’s this too.
It’s not much of a stretch from devotion to songs and symbols.
de·vo·tion (d--vM’shYn) pronunciation n.
1. Ardent, often selfless affection and dedication, as to a person or principle. See synonyms at love.
2. Religious ardor or zeal; piety.
3. a. An act of religious observance or prayer, especially when private. Often used in the plural.
b. Prayers or religious texts: a book of devotions.
4. The act of devoting or the state of being devoted.
Besides which, perhaps “songs and symbols” are not a part of patriotism, per se, but that doesn’t make them non - patriotic, nor does it excuse one from being unpatriotic when they alter or abuse or desecrate those sumbols, as a sign of respect for others.
>>I will run with your question. Patriotism is in your acts and setting a good example for your country. Patriotism is loving what is different and similar in our country. Patriotism is unique much the way we express love or honor for things of this world. I would love to say that conservatives clingyness to symbols was somehow philisophical, but in my opinion they are actually tied to really simple feelings.
Wow. Frank just got his hat handed to him. Nice work, WW.
Frank. Dugger. If you don’t like our National Anthem being sung in Spanish, don’t listen to it. In other words, get a life.
Man, you people never cease to amaze me with the things that you get worked up about. Simple things, simple themes, for simple minds. It’s just so damn lazy.
Ponderous.
JK
Et tibi quoque propter carmen tuum.
gratias tibi ago maximas, DLG. ut dixit ille Bentleius, “nihil verius hac emendatione.”
Hey Frank D- I am so far to the left of you I’m sneaking up behind you and I’m an American patriot. I think its great that a patriotic American who speaks Spanish as well as English has attempted a reverent translation of the National Anthem for Spanish speaking Americans to sing. I’m also sure that the crappy translations of his words that are being used to inflame doctrinaire kneejerk, I’m the only patriotic one here, fools like you have been carefully constructed to that end. If you check the names of the men and women killed in Iraq you would notice a large number of hispanic ones. Many of these dead heroes spoke English as a second language and if their folks can have a version of our anthem to sing in their language to honor their children who made the ultimate sacrifice so folks like you can spew your bile that’s OK by me. You know what really pisses me off? When the wives of rich Republicans wear cut up versions of the stars and stripes as a friggin’ fashion statement. Members of my immediate family died for that flag. You right wingers are always talking about being patriots but you don’t even know what the word means. You pathetic worms make me puke.
To quote a reader on Digby’s Blog,
Impor: Take your snide implications and stick ‘em where the sun don’t shine…
This so - called “Spanish” National Anthem is not a ‘reverent translation’ it’s propagandistic sloganeering, wrapped in the melody of the Star Spangled Banner.
Many of these dead heroes spoke English as a second language and if their folks can have a version of our anthem to sing in their language to honor their children
If those men spoke English as a second language, they were doing lots more than the hundreds of Mexicans who live in my neighborhood — or maybe, I live in theirs — quien sabe?
And their new anthem doesn’t honor their children in my book, nor is it designed to.
So, if you want to puke, be my guest.
You right wingers are always talking about being patriots but you don t even know what the word means.
OK, so tell me: What does it mean? That people that are here illegally can spit in the faces of their hosts? You’re just another guilty gringo, fool.
leaning = learning
goatchowder Says:
April 29th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Oh, then there s this too.>>
In which goatchowder demonstrates to our ears that the tune and some of the phrasing of an old drinking shanty can be ‘borrowed’ to cobble together what would, 150 years on, become a national anthem. But damned if anyone else should sing that tune in another lanquage. When bush made his statement that immigrants should be leaning to sing the national anthem in English, I wish someone in his audience would have challenged him to prove he could do exactly that himself, right then and there. I’d bet even money he could not get through all the words to that song correctly himself.
buma: I think I’ll say this one more time, for the last time: What we’re talking about is not singing the National Anthem in Spanish (although I don’t recall ever hearing it in Spanish, even on Spanish TV), it’s about changing the Star Spangled Banner {see JSA: April 28th, 2006 at 5:31 pm}.
It has been established on this thread, since yesterday, about 20 hours ago, that the National Anthem was not just “translated”, it was changed to suit this latest craze.
I know that there are people out there who have learning disabilities, and difficulty processing information, but I didn’t think they frequented this blog making a pretense of carrying an intelligent conversation.
If the problem persists, see here.
Frank- Do you understand the concept of translation? Other languages don’t only have different words in them they are conceptually different. That is why computers can’t translate anything successfully, it takes a human understanding of context and cultural sensitivity, both concepts you might want to brush up on. As was pointed out earlier in this thread the Anthem was adopted in the 1930s. Does this make the folks who existed before that less patriotic? I don’t think so. As far as what patriotism is, to me it means loving my country because of the genius of the founders who constructed a system that accounted, as best as has been done so far, for the widely divergent desires of its citizens for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. At the time of our founding there were large populations of non-English speakers, Germans, Moravians, Hugenots, etc living among the population. That is why our founding fathers purposely chose not to make any official state language. There were debates about this then but in their wisdom they decided to be inclusive. The natavism engendered by the present anti-immigrant movement is more the cultural heir of the Know-Nothings and Whigs of the 1840s (their concern was Catholics, Irish and otherwise, diluting our sacred Protestant heritage.) My hope is that in embracing these embarrassingly silly beliefs the Elephant party will follow those parties into the dustbin of history. As far as you criticizing someone for being snide that is rich. Pot calling kettle, time to get out of the kitchen if it’s getting too warm.
I noticed you didn t answer the question&
It’s called a “weekend”. Try it sometime.
But, I do wonder if you don t support the President,
Got that right. Only about 30% of the country still does.
don t believe in going to war for what America believes in,
What America believed was a lie. No Iraq ties to 9/11, no WMD and no pressing need to squander resources and lives in Iraqi.
or when America s in danger,
I most certainly believe in going to war when America’s in danger.
and you don t care if they burn the flag,
By not caring, you reduce the flag burning to an empty gesture. The flag-burners (an extremely rare and pathetic species, actually) are doing it in part to get a rise out of you and get your attention. Attention-whores hate it when you yawn.
or change the words of the Star - Spangled Banner to further a narrow political cause,
What on earth does this mean anyway? Oooh, a “narrow political cause”. Sounds bad. Why? Who knows, but it tested well during the focus group.
then how do you define patriotism?
There’s been some good answers to that on this thread, to which I’ll add: A patriot doesn’t go out of his way to embarrass his country by making it look stupid, scared, whiny and paranoid when it comes to song lyrics.
Frank, you don’t seem to possess the irony gene. Read my post carefully, since you missed the gist it the first time, judging from your lame response.
My post was NOT about translating the anthem. It is about changing the words to an old tune, and the hypocrisy of condemning others who have in turn made new words for the same tune. My post was also about the irony of a linguistically-challenged Preznit declaring that immigrants should learn the anthem in English.
“I d make the penultimate line super terram liberum …”
Centurion: What’s this, then? “Romanes eunt domus”? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, “Romans go home. ”
Centurion: No it doesn’t ! What’s the latin for “Roman”? Come on, come on!
Brian: Er, “Romanus” !
Centurion: Vocative plural of “Romanus” is?
Brian: Er, er, “Romani” !
Centurion: [Writes “Romani” over Brian’s graffiti] “Eunt”? What is “eunt”? Conjugate the verb, “to go” !
Brian: Er, “Ire”. Er, “eo”, “is”, “it”, “imus”, “itis”, “eunt”.
Centurion: So, “eunt” is…?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, “they go”.
Centurion: But, “Romans, go home” is an order. So you must use…?
[He twists Brian’s ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is…?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, “i” !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, “ite” !
Centurion: [Writes “ite”] “Domus”? Nominative? “Go home” is motion towards, isn’t it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, “Domum”!
Centurion: But “Domus” takes the locative, which is…?
Brian: Er, “Domum” !
Centurion: [Writes “Domum”] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it’s not done by sunrise, I’ll cut your balls off.
>>This rendition is even worse than what Jimi Hendrix did he just improvised on the melody. Was he being disrespectful? I don t think anybody knew or cared. It bothered me, but I didn t blame him.
LMAO. “It bothered me.”
You crusty old fart.
Hendrix was a soldier, btw. Member of the 101st Airborne in the early 60’s. Did you know that, Crusty?
It was a volatile time–Hendrix was simply bring his own interpretation, in an artful way, to a song everyone in that crowd at Woodstock, knew from the age of 5.
You know what “art,” is, don’t you Crusty?
Hmm…Crusty McFrank.
That may stick.
JK
buma: Let me start off by saying I don’t care what you think. That makes it easier to say what comes next.
When Francis Scott Key wrote the Star Spangled Banner, that song, lyrics and melody were made into our NationalAnthem by law in 1931 (according to Quaker) — long before you and I were born.
Anybody can rewrite the words; make it into a nursery rhyme; make a psychedelic jam out of the melody; but when you change the words to reflect the words of this week’s cause celebre, some people view it as disrespectful, and I’m one of them.
If you don’t think so, bully for you. But don’t try to pretend something is what it isn’t.
I don’t recall anyone sponsoring a “rewrite the National Anthem” contest, and I don’t recall any great clamoring for a Spanish rendition of the Star Spangled Banner, especially since anybody with a background in the Romance languages, and the ability to use BabelFish, could translate it in less than an hour.
This “rendition” is even worse than what Jimi Hendrix did — he just improvised on the melody. Was he being disrespectful? I don’t think anybody knew or cared. It bothered me, but I didn’t “blame” him. I didn’t know his motives.
This time is different. If you don’t see that, you are, as far as I am concerned, free to wander on in the darkness.
Frank_D Says:
April 30th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
buma: I think I ll say this one more time, for the last time: What we re talking about is not singing the National Anthem in Spanish. . . >>
You lied. It wasn’t the last time, as you promised. Foam and spit about something else.
Why not show your own respect for the Star-Spangled Banner? You could pod-cast your own a cappella rendition of it, so we can all decide for ourselves whether you are treating our national anthem with reverence or denigrating it.
JK, you’d have to practice to be an imbecile. Get the emissions checked on your Mercedes — it’s seriously ruining what’s left of your brain.
Crusty old man.
JK
Well, excuse me, buma, maybe I thought that since I and a few other people had said it several times, I wouldn’t need to say it any more, but apparently, you are truly suffering from sort of dementia. {Must be from smoking the New York Times}
JK, on the other hand is so f*cked up, he puts his own initials below comments that begin with his own initials.
And he thinks that calling me “crusty” is either uproariously funny, or is somehow going to provoke me.
Actually, it will, over time, prove to everyone what I’ve known for a while: That you’re a fool whose pretense to intelligence is fast fading away.
Steven Colbert… are you posting on here as Frank D? You saucy wag you!
Here’s a well reasoned approach to this issue — and, truly, my last word.
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=050206A
The clowns have worn me down.
Impor: I’ve been funnier than Steven Colbert, since before he was born!
I think this is a well - reasoned observation on this topic and, truly, my last post on this thread.
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=050206A
The clowns have worn me down
Impor, I was funnier than Steven Colbert before he was even born!
Oh oh!
FACT CHECK: U.S. Government Commissioned Spanish-Language Star-Spangled Banner in 1919
Flip
I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English.
Flop
When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, he would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing The Star-Spangled Banner in Spanish, sometimes partying with a Viva Bush mariachi band flown in from Texas.
D’oh!
http://www.thinkprogress.org
Classic. Right wing idiots once again proven to be right wing idiots. Who would have thought.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/
It has be noted that bush, who has run Spanish language ads for himself in the past, has “decided that this year it s more important to kiss xenophobic, conservative asses than hard-working, Latino asses.” He was was for speaking in Spanish until he was against it.
Come on frank, podcast yourself singin the Star-Spangled Banner so that the rest of us will be able to decide whether your rendition bothers us.
Tell you what I’m gonna do, buma: I’ll give you a choice
1)Mail me one of those IPod thingies, with directions on how to use it, and I’ll record the Star Spangled Banner for you; or
2) I’ll rig up my microwave so it stays on when the door opens. I’ll sing into the microwave, and here’s what you gotta do to pick up the signal. Wait ’til there’s a rip - roaring thunderstorm, so there’s lots of static in the air to help you receive the microwaves. To further enhance the signal, get up on the roof of the tallest building you can find. Wrap a couple of feet of aluminum foil around your head, and in a few minutes time, you’ll hear me singing the Star Spangled Banner.
#2 is easier, cheaper, and a great rush.
Hey Frank… are you still checking in? Thought you might have missed this tidbit about your Dear Leader….
“On Friday, President Bush blasted the idea of singing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. But Bush s highly-scripted 2001 inaugural ceremony actually featured a rendition of the national anthem sung in Spanish by Jon Secada. From Cox News Service, 1/18/01:
The opening ceremony reflected that sentiment. A racially diverse string of famous and once famous performers entertained Bush, soon-to-be First Lady Laura Bush, Vice President-elect Richard B. Cheney and his wife, Lynne, who watched on stage from a special viewing area.
Pop star Jon Secada sang the national anthem in English and Spanish.
Apparently, Secada singing the anthem in Spanish was a regular feature of the Bush campaign. From the 8/3/00 Miami Herald:
The nominee, his wife Laura, erstwhile rival John McCain and his wife Cindy joined Bush on a platform where children sang the national anthem - in Spanglish, Secada explained.”
How do you like your crow Bozo, fried or boiled?
Impor, are you an ass in more than one language?
I have my own opinion…
Unlike you and other liberals, I don’t wait wait for the Memo to come from some left wing blog.
p.s. If I was frameone, I’d call you an idiot, because you didn’t provide a link.
Chances are, you didn’t provide a link, because it did come from some laughably liberal trashpile blog.
Not that I care.
(I’ll repeat it it for the umpteenth* time) What we re talking about is not singing the National Anthem in Spanish; we’re talking about changing the words.
* A colloquial usage for “lots and lots”
You mean like yours?
Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle…
Frank- do you even read the posts you comment on?
“From Cox News Service, 1/18/01:”
“From the 8/3/00 Miami Herald:”
Neither one a ‘liberal blog’ last time I checked. You sir are definitely an ass, horse’s, in any language. Keep ‘em coming Einstein but read the posts all the way through, it may help make your arguments less vituperative and more cogent.
You mean like yours?
Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle…
And, of course, the rest of my post is ignored while you criticize me for not noticing something which you didn’t make noticeable. (As in indication of quotes, and no link).
You see, Impor, you started this whole thing like a wisenheimer, and now you want to pretend your the practicing restraint.
Next time you have something say, say it.
Oh, gee, I’ve done it again! “Your” should be “you’re”! I hope you won’t think less of me, Impor…
/sarcasm