Comments on: The Media Sandbags The Dems http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:54:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: mjb http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28319 mjb Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:03:33 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28319 Pedro, you are the bestest clinical projector I've ever seen. Brava! Do you even care that we showed you to be wrong and dishonest again?! Please help us understand what the significance of your post was. Pedro, you are the bestest clinical projector I’ve ever seen. Brava!
Do you even care that we showed you to be wrong and dishonest again?! Please help us understand what the significance of your post was.

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28318 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:03:58 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28318 Buh bye peedro. See you in a couple of weeks when your ass heals. Buh bye peedro. See you in a couple of weeks when your ass heals.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28317 drpedro Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:03:56 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28317 "fact" your comprehension level is at about a 6th grade level...I tire of constantly having to deflate your strange interpretations, only to have you change the subject again, off on another rant. Nothing you presented changes a thing about my point of illegal aliens costing us money, nothing. I have come to realize you have a personality disorder, which is sad for you, cause you can't fix those.... good luck. “fact” your comprehension level is at about a 6th grade level…I tire of constantly having to deflate your strange interpretations, only to have you change the subject again, off on another rant.

Nothing you presented changes a thing about my point of illegal aliens costing us money, nothing.

I have come to realize you have a personality disorder, which is sad for you, cause you can’t fix those….

good luck.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28316 frameone Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:03:22 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28316 "Nothing you presented changes a thing about my point of illegal aliens costing us money, nothing." They cost us money? <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14216395.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14216395.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14216395.htm</a></a> “Nothing you presented changes a thing about my point of illegal aliens costing us money, nothing.”

They cost us money?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14216395.htm

]]> By: mjb http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28314 mjb Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28314 Fact, but it's still fun. In a pornographic way, but still fun nonetheless. Part of me hopes he never goes away, but the price we pay is that we all get a little dumber. mjb Fact,
but it’s still fun. In a pornographic way, but still fun nonetheless. Part of me hopes he never goes away, but the price we pay is that we all get a little dumber.
mjb

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28315 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28315 Oh, I know mjb, it is kind of a perverse pleasure handing him his ass on a weekly basis. I'm wondering how many times that someone can get served in one lifetime without giving up. I wonder where Pee-dro is, he must be in surgery this afternoon and unable to respond -snort Oh, I know mjb, it is kind of a perverse pleasure handing him his ass on a weekly basis. I’m wondering how many times that someone can get served in one lifetime without giving up.

I wonder where Pee-dro is, he must be in surgery this afternoon and unable to respond -snort

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28313 drpedro Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:03:58 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28313 {sigh} I truly don't have time to give this the thorough Fisking it deserves so I don't know why I let "Fact"check drag me into these things... "Or the demagogue by many in your party regarding illegal immigrants, that they are threatening our national security, draining the federal treasury". I gave a very cogent example of how the federal treasury is being drained by illegal alien criminals.... There, did I connect the dots close enough for you to see the picture yet "Fact"? And Duros, no one mentioned an "al qaeda" plot to kill americans. Just kill americans. And as you guys seem to believe, there is no difference if you die by the hand of an illegal alien felon or a member of al qaeda, so who cares? {sigh} I truly don’t have time to give this the thorough Fisking it deserves so I don’t know why I let “Fact”check drag me into these things…

“Or the demagogue by many in your party regarding illegal immigrants, that they are threatening our national security, draining the federal treasury”.

I gave a very cogent example of how the federal treasury is being drained by illegal alien criminals….

There, did I connect the dots close enough for you to see the picture yet “Fact”?

And Duros, no one mentioned an “al qaeda” plot to kill americans. Just kill americans. And as you guys seem to believe, there is no difference if you die by the hand of an illegal alien felon or a member of al qaeda, so who cares?

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28312 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:03:28 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28312 How many times have we seen this script: 1. Pee-dro cuts/pastes (without attribution, btw) a couple of paragraphs from an article that he churned up from the Internets. 2. Pee-dro misinterprets the article to make his "point". 3. Other posters challenge the points, ask for attribution. 4. Helpful OW commenter finds article, provides link. 5. The context of the article clearly disproves Pee-dro's thesis, Pee-dro is challenged to defend. 6. Pee-dro comes back, whines that he doesn't have time to refute their points, reiterates his flawed statements, and calls the liberal commentors names. 7. Pee-dro disappears from the thread. In some circumstances, he disappears from OW.com alltogether (crossing fingers). Lather, rinse, repeat. How many times have we seen this script:

1. Pee-dro cuts/pastes (without attribution, btw) a couple of paragraphs from an article that he churned up from the Internets.

2. Pee-dro misinterprets the article to make his “point”.

3. Other posters challenge the points, ask for attribution.

4. Helpful OW commenter finds article, provides link.

5. The context of the article clearly disproves Pee-dro’s thesis, Pee-dro is challenged to defend.

6. Pee-dro comes back, whines that he doesn’t have time to refute their points, reiterates his flawed statements, and calls the liberal commentors names.

7. Pee-dro disappears from the thread. In some circumstances, he disappears from OW.com alltogether (crossing fingers).

Lather, rinse, repeat.

]]> By: mjb http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28311 mjb Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:03:20 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28311 Pedro, You are special. Why did you leave out the very next part of the study? Could it be that it directly contradicts your assertion that illegals are plotting to kill Americans? Here it is: 3. What types of offenses have illegal aliens been convicted of? How do the types of offenses compare with the general population? USSC The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent). iv Illegal aliens sentenced in federal courts were more likely than legal aliens or U.S. citizens to have at least one prior conviction resulting in a sentence of at least 60 days. For U.S. citizens and legal aliens, drug trafficking and fraud were the most common major federal offense conviction. If you read even further, you ll see that Florida is the only state where you see murder as the primary crime if illegals, and the study mentions also that this is true among legal and illegal aliens. Pedro,
You are special. Why did you leave out the very next part of the study? Could it be that it directly contradicts your assertion that illegals are plotting to kill Americans?
Here it is:

3. What types of offenses have illegal aliens been convicted of? How do the types of offenses compare with the general population?
USSC
The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent).
iv
Illegal aliens sentenced in federal courts were more likely than legal aliens or U.S. citizens to have at least one prior conviction resulting in a sentence of at least 60 days.
For U.S. citizens and legal aliens, drug trafficking and fraud were the most common major federal offense conviction.

If you read even further, you ll see that Florida is the only state where you see murder as the primary crime if illegals, and the study mentions also that this is true among legal and illegal aliens.

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28310 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:45 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28310 So let's recap Peedro, Bushwacked said that the Republicans say that undocumented workers threaten National Security. You reply with a completely irrelevant passage from a long report, which says that some of the 11 million aliens commit crimes while in the US. You then go on to assume that some of them are "plotting to kill Americans". Is that about right? What is your point again, if not that? So let’s recap Peedro, Bushwacked said that the Republicans say that undocumented workers threaten National Security.

You reply with a completely irrelevant passage from a long report, which says that some of the 11 million aliens commit crimes while in the US. You then go on to assume that some of them are “plotting to kill Americans”.

Is that about right? What is your point again, if not that?

]]> By: mjb http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28309 mjb Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28309 "Oh MJB you disagree? Do you think that these facts are untrue?" Pedro, to be honest I didn't even read beyond the first paragraph after I saw you didn't provide a link or cite. You can't be trusted so I'd like the link to check it myself. “Oh MJB you disagree? Do you think that these facts are untrue?”

Pedro, to be honest I didn’t even read beyond the first paragraph after I saw you didn’t provide a link or cite. You can’t be trusted so I’d like the link to check it myself.

]]> By: mjb http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28308 mjb Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:40 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28308 Pedro, You are special. Why did you leave out the very next part of the study? Could it be that it directly contradicts your assertion that illegals are plotting to kill Americans? Here it is: 3. What types of offenses have illegal aliens been convicted of? How do the types of offenses compare with the general population? USSC The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent). iv Illegal aliens sentenced in federal courts were more likely than legal aliens or U.S. citizens to have at least one prior conviction resulting in a sentence of at least 60 days. For U.S. citizens and legal aliens, drug trafficking and fraud were the most common major federal offense conviction. If you read even further, you'll see that Florida is the only state where you see murder as the primary crime if illegals, and the study mentions also that this is true among legal and illegal aliens. Pedro,
You are special. Why did you leave out the very next part of the study? Could it be that it directly contradicts your assertion that illegals are plotting to kill Americans?
Here it is:

3. What types of offenses have illegal aliens been convicted of? How do the types of offenses compare with the general population?
USSC
The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent).
iv
Illegal aliens sentenced in federal courts were more likely than legal aliens or U.S. citizens to have at least one prior conviction resulting in a sentence of at least 60 days.
For U.S. citizens and legal aliens, drug trafficking and fraud were the most common major federal offense conviction.

If you read even further, you’ll see that Florida is the only state where you see murder as the primary crime if illegals, and the study mentions also that this is true among legal and illegal aliens.

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28307 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:37 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28307 Shorter Peedro: I just got called on my nonsense again, so I'm going to flail wildly and call intelligent people names. Shorter Peedro: I just got called on my nonsense again, so I’m going to flail wildly and call intelligent people names.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28306 frameone Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:30 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28306 Here's the study, mjb. Read it and see just how much of a lunatic pedro really is. <a href="http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html</a></a> The report finds that "The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent)." From this pedro concludes that some of them must have been plotting against Americans. I mean, you know, it stands to reason. Idiot. Here’s the study, mjb. Read it and see just how much of a lunatic pedro really is.

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

The report finds that “The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent).”

From this pedro concludes that some of them must have been plotting against Americans. I mean, you know, it stands to reason. Idiot.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28305 duros62 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:27 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28305 Somehow I don't think that if a clerk gets shot in a liquor store holdup by an illegal alien is the same thing as an al-Qaeda "plot to kill Americans." Or is there no distinction, Dr.? Somehow I don’t think that if a clerk gets shot in a liquor store holdup by an illegal alien is the same thing as an al-Qaeda “plot to kill Americans.” Or is there no distinction, Dr.?

]]> By: Bill L. http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28304 Bill L. Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:21 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28304 Actually, how about some actual numbers to go with those percentages? If there wee 50 illegal immigrant cases and it jumped to 133, that would be 167%, but it would hardly constitute an explosion of cases. What about social and economic unrest in Mexico increasing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country. Wasn't the Mexican Peso Crisis in 1994? What about the passage of NAFTA in 1993? Are the increases in convictions due to more zealous prosecution(i.e. the increases in drug convictions thanks to the "war" on drugs and passage of tougher sentencing laws)? What are they being sentenced for, being illegal? Actually, having followed the link helpfully provided by factcheck, I have a lot of my answers, and it seems nearly half of those illegal immigrants were convicted of being illegal (47%) or some variation thereof (11%). The most dangerous offenders would be the drug traffickers (27%) who appear to be predominantly the Dominicans and Colombians. A paltry 5% were convicted of "fraud," which is a bit vague. How this proves terrorists sneak in with illegal aliens is...obscure...to be kind. Actually, how about some actual numbers to go with those percentages? If there wee 50 illegal immigrant cases and it jumped to 133, that would be 167%, but it would hardly constitute an explosion of cases. What about social and economic unrest in Mexico increasing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country. Wasn’t the Mexican Peso Crisis in 1994? What about the passage of NAFTA in 1993? Are the increases in convictions due to more zealous prosecution(i.e. the increases in drug convictions thanks to the “war” on drugs and passage of tougher sentencing laws)? What are they being sentenced for, being illegal?

Actually, having followed the link helpfully provided by factcheck, I have a lot of my answers, and it seems nearly half of those illegal immigrants were convicted of being illegal (47%) or some variation thereof (11%). The most dangerous offenders would be the drug traffickers (27%) who appear to be predominantly the Dominicans and Colombians. A paltry 5% were convicted of “fraud,” which is a bit vague.

How this proves terrorists sneak in with illegal aliens is…obscure…to be kind.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28303 drpedro Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:03:08 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28303 Sorry fact, if you are too lazy to actually read the posts, I can't help you out. In fact, if you are too lazy to read, why not just keep your uneducated opinions to yourself? Sorry fact, if you are too lazy to actually read the posts, I can’t help you out. In fact, if you are too lazy to read, why not just keep your uneducated opinions to yourself?

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28302 factcheck Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:03:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28302 Why don't you post a cite so mjb and the rest of us can see what you left out of the report? And while you are at it, tell us what point there is to this passage? Actually, never mind, I found it: www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/410366_alien_justice_sum.pdf Why don’t you post a cite so mjb and the rest of us can see what you left out of the report? And while you are at it, tell us what point there is to this passage?

Actually, never mind, I found it:
http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/410366_alien_justice_sum.pdf

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28301 frameone Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:03:30 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28301 "Oh, and I owe you an apology for not spotting your earlier statement on immigration policy." What a fucking idiot. “Oh, and I owe you an apology for not spotting your earlier statement on immigration policy.”

What a fucking idiot.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28300 drpedro Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:03:14 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/03/30/the-media-sandbags-the-dems/#comment-28300 Oh MJB you disagree? Do you think that these facts are untrue? Oh MJB you disagree? Do you think that these facts are untrue?

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