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]]> By: LeaderoftheFreeWorld http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21115 LeaderoftheFreeWorld Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:01:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21115 I suppose the truth is only important to FactCheck when it works in your favor. As far as bias in segregated neighborhoods and voting districts, the same holds true for predominantly black neighborhoods. Do you think an all-black neighborhood would find it more difficult to associate white faces with positive concepts than black faces when compared to a more racially-diverse neighborhood? Really think for a moment of the examples of white faces a black individual in a nearly all-black neighborhood would have? Do you think they would be positive??? Or based on a few negative interactions or subject to stereotypes from others with no real-life examples to draw from? However, I believe education is necessary to guide one's own will to look beyond these stereotypes instead of taking them at face value. If education is the key, then one can possibly conclude that Republicans, who as a whole have higher educational achievement than Democrats, would be less susceptible to prejudice and racism...what do you think about that??? Higher levels of education have been shown in REAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES to have a direct correlation with lower levels of prejudice and racism in all of its forms. ...or just type "EDUCATION LEVELS DECREASE PREJUDICE" in GOOGLE and find articles that state "Education Level is the Most Significant Predictor of Anti-Semitism Among Blacks," "college attendance has been shown to decrease prejudice, enhance knowledge," etc, etc. But take all of this with a grain of salt...these studies may have their own political agendas as well if you see who sponsored/published the studies...for one, the ADL (which has its own political agenda, as do all of these groups), states: "African-Americans continue to be significantly more likely than white Americans to hold anti-Jewish beliefs. As with whites, education level is the most important factor affecting the attitudes of blacks toward Jews. The most anti-Semitic Americans tend to have less day-to-day contact with Jews than does the rest of the population." This is inline with what I was saying about interaction with people of a different race in a homogenized neighborhood with few examples of the other race to make positive references for. Not to mention, also congruent with my statements on how higher educational achievement lowers prejudice/bias. You see, science/statistics can be manipulated to prove anything you set out to. A layperson then may, incorrectly, assume that Democrats are thus more racist than Republicans. I am, the one...the only...the LeaderoftheFreeWorld I suppose the truth is only important to FactCheck when it works in your favor. As far as bias in segregated neighborhoods and voting districts, the same holds true for predominantly black neighborhoods. Do you think an all-black neighborhood would find it more difficult to associate white faces with positive concepts than black faces when compared to a more racially-diverse neighborhood? Really think for a moment of the examples of white faces a black individual in a nearly all-black neighborhood would have? Do you think they would be positive??? Or based on a few negative interactions or subject to stereotypes from others with no real-life examples to draw from? However, I believe education is necessary to guide one’s own will to look beyond these stereotypes instead of taking them at face value. If education is the key, then one can possibly conclude that Republicans, who as a whole have higher educational achievement than Democrats, would be less susceptible to prejudice and racism…what do you think about that???

Higher levels of education have been shown in REAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES to have a direct correlation with lower levels of prejudice and racism in all of its forms.

…or just type “EDUCATION LEVELS DECREASE PREJUDICE” in GOOGLE and find articles that state “Education Level is the Most Significant Predictor of Anti-Semitism Among Blacks,” “college attendance has been shown to decrease prejudice, enhance knowledge,” etc, etc. But take all of this with a grain of salt…these studies may have their own political agendas as well if you see who sponsored/published the studies…for one, the ADL (which has its own political agenda, as do all of these groups), states:

“African-Americans continue to be significantly more likely than white Americans to hold anti-Jewish beliefs. As with whites, education level is the most important factor affecting the attitudes of blacks toward Jews.
The most anti-Semitic Americans tend to have less day-to-day contact with Jews than does the rest of the population.”

This is inline with what I was saying about interaction with people of a different race in a homogenized neighborhood with few examples of the other race to make positive references for. Not to mention, also congruent with my statements on how higher educational achievement lowers prejudice/bias.

You see, science/statistics can be manipulated to prove anything you set out to. A layperson then may, incorrectly, assume that Democrats are thus more racist than Republicans.

I am, the one…the only…the
LeaderoftheFreeWorld

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21114 factcheck Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:01:33 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21114 You ramble on as much as the real "Leader of the Free World". Make as much sense, too. You ramble on as much as the real “Leader of the Free World”. Make as much sense, too.

]]> By: LeaderoftheFreeWorld http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21113 LeaderoftheFreeWorld Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:01:54 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21113 It's unfortunate that you take this use of statistics at face value. You...or the psychologist you are quoting...is mixing different reports/research together to try to make a correlation, and that itself has its own problems in terms of scientific rigor in the study. So many people are duped by statistics...it's as if it is the magic bullet, beyond reproach or doubt. I would like to see the data that you vigorously defend...and it's not States that they are referring to, it's districts...much, much different. And here is where my point may reach you. There is this term called Gerrymandering, where in the 1800's til now, politicians from both Democratic and Republican parties used their influence to draw up district boundaries in order to isolate certain demographic groups, namely whites, blacks, hispanics, Catholics, Protestants, etc. based on the historical voting patterns of these individual groups. So, regardless of Red State/Blue State, from the outset, we are talking about politically separated districts. So it is much easier to separate different ethnic/racial groups based on voting preference into separate voting DISTRICTS, which the study DOES refer to. I could go on, but it's really futile. You can go on believing what you will, that's fine. All I am trying to convey is that the study IS 1) flawed; 2) not scientific; and 3) politically-motivated. Please tell me I am not the only person here that recognizes this, am I??? You can get all three of these things just from the excerpt Oliver put in his original article. Ask your old statistics professor what he thinks about the abuse of statistics in this situation, and regardless of his political party, I'm sure he will agree. Or....you can just ask me ;-) And by the way, I believe whether or not one is a Republican or Democrat has more to do with socioeconomic status than it does race. In addition, I believe positive or negative attitudes of pictures of a black or white face depends on the racial diversity of the neighborhood in which one lives. Many, many affluent neighborhoods that can be characterized as Republican-leaning are practically devoid of black residents. In this instance, you could argue that this "de facto" segregation where there are few if any black faces for many Republicans to associate with, positively or negatively, can in turn make it more "difficult to associate black faces with positive concepts than white faces."--quoting Oliver's original article. But does that mean everyone in those neighborhoods, especially the Republicans, are racist??? So that's why you call all Republicans racist? Interesting...I think someone else here has a few prejudices of his/her own??? And yes...I am aware of my jumping to conclusions, twisting your words, or making assumptions about you...it's just to prove a point...Prejudice: 1. a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts. b. A preconceived preference or idea. 2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection. 3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion. 4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others. Could you be? Or the so-called scientists that paid donations to Kerry. Just think about it...What percentage of Democrats actually pay donations to a campaign? You've got to be a pretty staunch supporter to do that...even biased perhaps. ...one nation, under God, indivisible, with justice and liberty for all...that means Republicans too, I think Yours truly, LeaderoftheFreeWorld It’s unfortunate that you take this use of statistics at face value. You…or the psychologist you are quoting…is mixing different reports/research together to try to make a correlation, and that itself has its own problems in terms of scientific rigor in the study. So many people are duped by statistics…it’s as if it is the magic bullet, beyond reproach or doubt. I would like to see the data that you vigorously defend…and it’s not States that they are referring to, it’s districts…much, much different. And here is where my point may reach you. There is this term called Gerrymandering, where in the 1800’s til now, politicians from both Democratic and Republican parties used their influence to draw up district boundaries in order to isolate certain demographic groups, namely whites, blacks, hispanics, Catholics, Protestants, etc. based on the historical voting patterns of these individual groups. So, regardless of Red State/Blue State, from the outset, we are talking about politically separated districts. So it is much easier to separate different ethnic/racial groups based on voting preference into separate voting DISTRICTS, which the study DOES refer to. I could go on, but it’s really futile. You can go on believing what you will, that’s fine. All I am trying to convey is that the study IS 1) flawed; 2) not scientific; and 3) politically-motivated. Please tell me I am not the only person here that recognizes this, am I??? You can get all three of these things just from the excerpt Oliver put in his original article. Ask your old statistics professor what he thinks about the abuse of statistics in this situation, and regardless of his political party, I’m sure he will agree. Or….you can just ask me ;-)
And by the way, I believe whether or not one is a Republican or Democrat has more to do with socioeconomic status than it does race. In addition, I believe positive or negative attitudes of pictures of a black or white face depends on the racial diversity of the neighborhood in which one lives. Many, many affluent neighborhoods that can be characterized as Republican-leaning are practically devoid of black residents. In this instance, you could argue that this “de facto” segregation where there are few if any black faces for many Republicans to associate with, positively or negatively, can in turn make it more “difficult to associate black faces with positive concepts than white faces.”–quoting Oliver’s original article. But does that mean everyone in those neighborhoods, especially the Republicans, are racist??? So that’s why you call all Republicans racist? Interesting…I think someone else here has a few prejudices of his/her own???

And yes…I am aware of my jumping to conclusions, twisting your words, or making assumptions about you…it’s just to prove a point…Prejudice:

1.
a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
b. A preconceived preference or idea.
2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.

Could you be? Or the so-called scientists that paid donations to Kerry. Just think about it…What percentage of Democrats actually pay donations to a campaign? You’ve got to be a pretty staunch supporter to do that…even biased perhaps.

…one nation, under God, indivisible, with justice and liberty for all…that means Republicans too, I think

Yours truly,

LeaderoftheFreeWorld

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21112 Frank_D Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:01:31 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21112 elrod: <i>Apparently, you lefties do.</i> Your point was? elrod: Apparently, you lefties do. Your point was?

]]> By: Impor http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21111 Impor Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:01:16 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21111 Wow, a scientific study donated to a Democratic campaign fund? It musta been convicted briber and Republican fundraiser Bob Abramoff who directed them to do it! Wow, a scientific study donated to a Democratic campaign fund? It musta been convicted briber and Republican fundraiser Bob Abramoff who directed them to do it!

]]> By: mikmik http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21110 mikmik Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:01:01 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21110 <i>Is this really science??? I m disappointed, but not really surprised. I know all about statistics and how it is often manipulated to try to prove one thing or another, but really has little statistical value, let alone scientific. I suppose you missed that lecture in college.</i> That would be nice, and you do make an interesting point, but you are also guilty of assumption, LeaderoftheFreeWorld, which you base your argument on. Actually, <b>you are absolutely wrong when you state that liberal voters - blue states - have higher percentage of blacks, and this is what accounts for the bias.</b> You do not know which states they pulled the participants from, and there are also states that are opposite to what you are saying, that is that there are many red states that have higher proportion of blacks than many blue states. Your rebuttal is flawed. I will add this quote from the article, (which indicates not only an independant review of the study, but another view that there is evidence that republicans are indeed more biased. Something that is common knowledge, in my view, however I am biased as well. Does my bias come from observation, or rejudice? Yet another piece of the puzzle, you fail to address the question 'do racist people becomre republican, or does being republican create racist beliefs'?) <blockquote>Jon Krosnick, a psychologist and political scientist at Stanford University, who independently assessed the studies, said it remains to be seen how significant the correlation is between racial bias and political affiliation. For example, he said, the study could not tell whether racial bias was a better predictor of voting preference than, say, policy preferences on gun control or abortion. But while those issues would be addressed in subsequent studies -- Krosnick plans to get random groups of future voters to take the psychological tests and discuss their policy preferences -- he said the basic correlation was not in doubt. "If anyone in Washington is skeptical about these findings, they are in denial," he said. "We have 50 years of evidence that racial prejudice predicts voting. Republicans are supported by whites with prejudice against blacks. If people say, 'This takes me aback,' they are ignoring a huge volume of research." </blockquote> Is this really science??? I m disappointed, but not really surprised. I know all about statistics and how it is often manipulated to try to prove one thing or another, but really has little statistical value, let alone scientific. I suppose you missed that lecture in college.

That would be nice, and you do make an interesting point, but you are also guilty of assumption, LeaderoftheFreeWorld, which you base your argument on. Actually, you are absolutely wrong when you state that liberal voters - blue states - have higher percentage of blacks, and this is what accounts for the bias.

You do not know which states they pulled the participants from, and there are also states that are opposite to what you are saying, that is that there are many red states that have higher proportion of blacks than many blue states.

Your rebuttal is flawed.

I will add this quote from the article, (which indicates not only an independant review of the study, but another view that there is evidence that republicans are indeed more biased. Something that is common knowledge, in my view, however I am biased as well. Does my bias come from observation, or rejudice? Yet another piece of the puzzle, you fail to address the question ‘do racist people becomre republican, or does being republican create racist beliefs’?)

Jon Krosnick, a psychologist and political scientist at Stanford University, who independently assessed the studies, said it remains to be seen how significant the correlation is between racial bias and political affiliation.

For example, he said, the study could not tell whether racial bias was a better predictor of voting preference than, say, policy preferences on gun control or abortion. But while those issues would be addressed in subsequent studies — Krosnick plans to get random groups of future voters to take the psychological tests and discuss their policy preferences — he said the basic correlation was not in doubt.

“If anyone in Washington is skeptical about these findings, they are in denial,” he said. “We have 50 years of evidence that racial prejudice predicts voting. Republicans are supported by whites with prejudice against blacks. If people say, ‘This takes me aback,’ they are ignoring a huge volume of research.”

]]> By: LeaderoftheFreeWorld http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21109 LeaderoftheFreeWorld Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:01:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21109 Oliver, You really outdid yourself this time. The part where districts that "registered higher levels of bias systematically produced more votes for Bush" is just another example of so-called "scientists" manipulating statistics to say whatever they want. The study itself is biased, by its own admission. It donated to Kerry's campaign...that's bias if I've ever seen it. And here's your explanation of your "statistical" findings: I'll put it simply so that I don't lose you here... Conservative Bush voters are statistically what??? Caucasian men. Districts that have larger minority and "Black" constituents historically are overwhelmingly Democrat. So is it a real stretch that Black men and women would find it easier to associate Black faces with positive concepts??? And that districts that vote Democrat that have higher numbers of Black constituents would find it easier to associate Black faces with positive concepts? Is this really science??? I'm disappointed, but not really surprised. I know all about statistics and how it is often manipulated to try to prove one thing or another, but really has little statistical value, let alone scientific. I suppose you missed that lecture in college. Now do you see how ridiculous your sweeping generalizations that Bush voters are a bunch of anti-black bigots are? If you go to a predominantly Black Democratically-voting disctrict, they will almost certainly be able to better associate Black faces with positive role models, etc. The real coup de grace was at the end of the article where you said that the "scientists" later donated to Kerry...now that is enough to discredit the whole "scientific" report. Scientists should remove their sentiments and own bias from the study. Lecture over. Did you learn anything? Next week, I will use statistics to prove that drinking Mountain Dew cures baldness. Oliver,

You really outdid yourself this time. The part where districts that “registered higher levels of bias systematically produced more votes for Bush” is just another example of so-called “scientists” manipulating statistics to say whatever they want. The study itself is biased, by its own admission. It donated to Kerry’s campaign…that’s bias if I’ve ever seen it. And here’s your explanation of your “statistical” findings:
I’ll put it simply so that I don’t lose you here…
Conservative Bush voters are statistically what??? Caucasian men. Districts that have larger minority and “Black” constituents historically are overwhelmingly Democrat.

So is it a real stretch that Black men and women would find it easier to associate Black faces with positive concepts??? And that districts that vote Democrat that have higher numbers of Black constituents would find it easier to associate Black faces with positive concepts?

Is this really science??? I’m disappointed, but not really surprised. I know all about statistics and how it is often manipulated to try to prove one thing or another, but really has little statistical value, let alone scientific. I suppose you missed that lecture in college.

Now do you see how ridiculous your sweeping generalizations that Bush voters are a bunch of anti-black bigots are? If you go to a predominantly Black Democratically-voting disctrict, they will almost certainly be able to better associate Black faces with positive role models, etc.

The real coup de grace was at the end of the article where you said that the “scientists” later donated to Kerry…now that is enough to discredit the whole “scientific” report. Scientists should remove their sentiments and own bias from the study.

Lecture over. Did you learn anything?

Next week, I will use statistics to prove that drinking Mountain Dew cures baldness.

]]> By: elrod http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21108 elrod Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:01:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21108 <i>pparently, I don t know any Republicans who are racists, or who attempt to appeal to them. Apparently, you lefties do. End of story Well, let's see, I can cite a few folks in my wife's family. Her father, who once said, "When the blacks and the Hispanics lay down their guns, I'll lay down mine." That's an exact quote of a dinner table conversation. Then there's my wife's sister, who used to refer to the Roger's Park neighborhood of Chicago as Roger's Dark (Rogers Park is not actually very black, but the area around the Howard "El" station is, and that's what most people associate with Rogers Park). Oh, and they're the only Republicans in her family. Coincidence? Probably not. If we're talking anecdote, there's mine. Jay, I somehow doubt that black and white people in Mississippi have radically different ideas about health care, education, Social Security, etc. In fact, on those issues, especially health care and Social Security, white Bush voters tend to side with the Democrats. That's the reason why Gene Taylor (D-southern MS) and Bud Cramer (D-northern AL) keep winning election. They go hard right on social and national security issues, and occasionally on taxes, but they are staunch supporters of keeping Social Security as is, and a broader health care program for the poor. But on national races - Senate and President - it's well understood in Mississippi that most white people vote Republican and most black people vote Democratic in national elections.</i> pparently, I don t know any Republicans who are racists, or who attempt to appeal to them. Apparently, you lefties do. End of story

Well, let’s see, I can cite a few folks in my wife’s family. Her father, who once said, “When the blacks and the Hispanics lay down their guns, I’ll lay down mine.” That’s an exact quote of a dinner table conversation. Then there’s my wife’s sister, who used to refer to the Roger’s Park neighborhood of Chicago as Roger’s Dark (Rogers Park is not actually very black, but the area around the Howard “El” station is, and that’s what most people associate with Rogers Park). Oh, and they’re the only Republicans in her family. Coincidence? Probably not. If we’re talking anecdote, there’s mine.

Jay,
I somehow doubt that black and white people in Mississippi have radically different ideas about health care, education, Social Security, etc. In fact, on those issues, especially health care and Social Security, white Bush voters tend to side with the Democrats. That’s the reason why Gene Taylor (D-southern MS) and Bud Cramer (D-northern AL) keep winning election. They go hard right on social and national security issues, and occasionally on taxes, but they are staunch supporters of keeping Social Security as is, and a broader health care program for the poor. But on national races - Senate and President - it’s well understood in Mississippi that most white people vote Republican and most black people vote Democratic in national elections.

]]> By: Jadegold http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21107 Jadegold Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:01:39 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21107 Let's see..... The GOP gets close to single digit support from the black community. Scientific study shows GOPers are more inclined toward racism. Coincidence? Only if you believe coincidence explains why it gets lighter when the sun rises. Let’s see…..

The GOP gets close to single digit support from the black community. Scientific study shows GOPers are more inclined toward racism.

Coincidence?

Only if you believe coincidence explains why it gets lighter when the sun rises.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21106 Frank_D Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:01:24 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21106 The bottom line is that the belief that Republicans are racists is untenable and unprovable, and, as such, cannot be refuted. Apparently, I don't know any Republicans who are racists, or who attempt to appeal to them. Apparently, you lefties do. End of story The bottom line is that the belief that Republicans are racists is untenable and unprovable, and, as such, cannot be refuted. Apparently, I don’t know any Republicans who are racists, or who attempt to appeal to them. Apparently, you lefties do. End of story

]]> By: ian http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21105 ian Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:01:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21105 Oliver, don't forget those whitey haters like you Oliver, don’t forget those whitey haters like you

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21104 Wilbur Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:01:26 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21104 <i>Actually, you just assumed. You shouldn t.</i> Suspicion /= assumption. It's a pretty big assumption on your part to assume that my suspicion implied an assumption. <i>If there s anything debatable, it s your point. Journalists are an arrogant bunch and there s nothing I ve seen from several large media outlets that would suggest this is the case.</i> That's because you have a very biased view of things. Actually, you just assumed. You shouldn t.

Suspicion /= assumption. It’s a pretty big assumption on your part to assume that my suspicion implied an assumption.

If there s anything debatable, it s your point. Journalists are an arrogant bunch and there s nothing I ve seen from several large media outlets that would suggest this is the case.

That’s because you have a very biased view of things.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21103 Quaker in a Basement Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:01:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21103 From Malkin: <blockquote>Brian Jones, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said he disagreed with the study's conclusions but that it was difficult to offer a detailed critique, as the research had not yet been published and he could not review the methodology.</blockquote> In other words, "We haven't read it, but if it wasn't done by OUR people, it's wrong." From Malkin:

Brian Jones, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said he disagreed with the study’s conclusions but that it was difficult to offer a detailed critique, as the research had not yet been published and he could not review the methodology.

In other words, “We haven’t read it, but if it wasn’t done by OUR people, it’s wrong.”

]]> By: nawoods http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21102 nawoods Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:57 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21102 Know much about what goes on in Philadelphia, Mississippi in late July? Ever heard of the Neshoba County Fair? Look it up sometime, and you will notice that politicians of all stripes stump there. Are we to assume then that all who do are racist, based soley on the fact? Or is it just the republicans? Because the assumptions you are making here lead me in one of two directions, all politicians who speak at the Fair are racist because the fair is in Mississippi, or its just the republicans are courting racists when speaking at the Fair. Know much about what goes on in Philadelphia, Mississippi in late July? Ever heard of the Neshoba County Fair? Look it up sometime, and you will notice that politicians of all stripes stump there. Are we to assume then that all who do are racist, based soley on the fact? Or is it just the republicans? Because the assumptions you are making here lead me in one of two directions, all politicians who speak at the Fair are racist because the fair is in Mississippi, or its just the republicans are courting racists when speaking at the Fair.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21101 Oliver Willis Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21101 <i>It should be noted that those who conducted this research are Democrats</i> You do know that 2+2 = 4, even when one of those evil Democrats is doing the math, right? It should be noted that those who conducted this research are Democrats
You do know that 2+2 = 4, even when one of those evil Democrats is doing the math, right?

]]> By: mr.curmudgeon http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21100 mr.curmudgeon Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21100 Republican National Committee, to sponsor a GOP SOTU house party, which will feature a Jesse Jackson piñata. <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670</a></a> Holy shit! Republican National Committee, to sponsor a GOP SOTU house party, which will feature a Jesse Jackson piñata.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670

Holy shit!

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21098 factcheck Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:37 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21098 And so there was nowhere else he could have spoken? And in such a racially charged tinderbox, is a speech talking about "states rights" just an innocent reference? Please, get your head out of the sand. I suppose his visit to Bitburg was ok too, right? And so there was nowhere else he could have spoken? And in such a racially charged tinderbox, is a speech talking about “states rights” just an innocent reference?

Please, get your head out of the sand.

I suppose his visit to Bitburg was ok too, right?

]]> By: mr.curmudgeon http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21099 mr.curmudgeon Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:37 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21099 Republican National Committee, sponsors a GOP SOTU house party, which will feature a Jesse Jackson piñata. <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670</a></a></a> Holy shit! Republican National Committee, sponsors a GOP SOTU house party, which will feature a Jesse Jackson piñata.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/30/133213/670

Holy shit!

]]> By: ian http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21097 ian Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:01:24 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2006/01/30/the-republican-problem-of-race/#comment-21097 It should be noted that those who conducted this research are Democrats: <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004410.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004410.htm" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004410.htm</a></a> It should be noted that those who conducted this research are Democrats:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004410.htm

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