Oliver Willis

31 Responses to “Fool Me Twice…”

1. 1 Diamond LeGrande
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 7:12 am

   Didn’t George Bush Jr. win with a similar strategy in 2000?

2. 2 dugger1
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:12 am

   You must not have meant ‘pre’ 2000. My recollection is that the Clintonian pre-2000 strategy worked rather well.

   Free advice: get over your Clinton obsession. She’s in the middle and she’s going to win. The left will have a good seat from the sidelines and Pres. Hillary will probably appoint a hard core, confirmed leftist to an important cabinet position — like Surgen General (that ought to keep you guys quiet for eight years) or Ministry of Truth (Ramsey Clark?).

   Dugger

3. 3 cypher
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 10:12 am

   I hope so Oliver, between Iraq, and Flag Burning, and on and on, she’s really turned me off to her.

   (Go Wes!)

4. 4 Semanticleo
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 10:12 am

   dugger the cynical.

   Alow me to join you.

   I believe it was P.T. Barnum who said; “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american public.”

   Although the digital forest provides ample data to make a dent
   in ignorance, it hasn’t made a lot of progress in raising our
   ability to process and organize the information to effect
   a net gain in the quality of our personal decisions.

   That is especially true when it comes to keeping a vigilant eye
   on the words vs. behavior of our elected representatives.

   With rare exception, it is the ruthless who rise to the top of
   human organization. It makes little difference whether the rise
   to power is through the barrel of a gun, or the ballotbox.
   (except that a gun is more of a known quantity). One sort
   of coup is noisy, the other is silent. But the public gets to choose
   in the silent coup, don’t they? Or is the choice still based on
   first impressions, instinct or physical attractiveness? The american
   public needs to start making some personal sacrifices.
   They are going to have to stop being intellectually lazy and get info
   about the candidate that is not spoon fed from a biased source.
   They will have to commit more to democracy than just showing
   up at the ballot box on election day. They will have to know who they
   are voting for and why.

5. 5 anthony
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 11:12 am

   Oliver

   Your cynicism about the Hillary strategy is entirely warranted.

   Of course, I recall enlightened Democrats expressing equally warranted cynicism when Bill Clinton went out of his way to diss Sista Soulja and to execute a retarded black man as part of the strategy for his 1992 presidential campaign. Yet he won& twice!

   Therefore, I encourage you to reconsider your assumptions about the willingness of Democrats to be fooled again& After all, the shame was already on them for reelecting Hillary s  co-President in 1996.

6. 6 trevorwells
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 1:12 pm

   I firmly believe that Mrs. Clinton will be the next President. It is abundantly clear that she is running and that she has no peer that can defeat her. My personal preference is still for Kerry but that isn’t going to materialize. The glass ceiling shall be shattered and it comes not a moment too soon.

7. 7 Frank_D
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 1:12 pm

   I hope you’re not suggesting, Oliver, that a left - leaning candidate has a better chance than a moderate candidate.

   There are no indicators of such a thing, except perhaps at the moment you close your eyes to blow out the candles on your birthday cake.

   Trevor, it amazes me that you don’t want to see it (Oliver is too blind with Bush - hatred), but, there is another candidate…

8. 8 qkslvr_wolf
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 1:12 pm

   Oh dear god…not “There was no warning the ‘Osama Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US’ Condi Rice”.

   I’d even take Hilary.

   No, friends, its clear. Wes Clark is the best hope for the nation!

9. 9 Squiggy
   Dec 27th, 2005 at 2:12 pm

   I dont get it, Frank…I checked your link and all I got was some story about Rice not being as unpopular as Dubya and Dick…Wheres the candidate?

10. 10 Semanticleo
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 4:12 pm

    ” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has become the most popular member of the Bush administration.”

    What positive direction could possibly be gleaned from this statement?

    More information could be obtained by stating that Frank’s gym locker
    was less odious than his fellow students.

    Sorry, Frank. But as you insist on continually stretching your neck
    to invite a rap on the chin, I will oblige your penchance for masochism.

11. 11 Oliver Willis
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 7:12 pm

    There’s more chance of a far left liberal (Kucinich, for instance) getting the presidency than a black woman, especially if the black woman happens to be Condi Rice - no matter how much fan fiction you write up Frank. Clinton’s pre-2000 calculus no longer works at the national level, and is a long term loser for the broader Democratic movement.

12. 12 tiponeill
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 7:12 pm

    Considering the party estblishment and leadership, I am afraid she actually may get the nomination.

    Which will force many of us to just opt put or vote green again.

    She may even win, but if she does I don’t see it as much of an improvement over our current administration.

13. 13 Frank_D
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:12 pm

    As the comments with regard to Rice’s candidacy lack any substance, I will view them in that light.

    Especially Oliver who has been writing fan fiction about Clinton the First (blessed be his name) for years, and now would have us believe that Clinton the Second would be an unsuitable candidate.

    The other interpretation for that article, for those less perceptive than you, comes from Scotland: Will Condoleezza Rice succeed Bush?

14. 14 neoconvict
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:12 pm

    Hillary is an embarrassment. “Neocon Lite” I believe she was referred to on another site. She’s trying to do the Bill Clinton trick of pissing off the left (remember how Bill dissed Sister Souljah) in order to embrace the center. But the thing is that the moderate right HATES her, so this strategy is moronic. All she’s going to do is piss off everyone with a brain. And since she refuses to address election fraud, she stands no chance of winning anyway.

    Oh yeah, and one thing Hillary leaves off her resume–she was chief counsel for Wal-Mart! Need we say more?

    Now one senator who does deserve our support is BOXER. She was the only one with the stones to stand up against the seating of the electors in the stolen 2004 election. Please sign the petition below urging Senator Boxer to take the lead on the issue of election fraud:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer123

15. 15 Frank_D
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    Sorry, Cleo, your comment only rates a “C”. While the “locker metaphor” might be the first comprehensible metaphor you’ve ever employed, the “you asked for it” theme is fake and takes away nearly all the merit of the comment. C’est dommage.

16. 16 Frank_D
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    I find it interesting that people like Oliver can’t bring themselves to say that Secretary Rice shouldn’t be President, or that she couldn’t be President, but rather that the Republicans would never nominate her.

    Why is that interesting? Because even though the Secretary has supposedly “declared” that she doesn’t want to be President, she is still the most desirable of Presidential candidates when Reublicans are polled.

    Where is a similar poll amongst Democratic possibilities? Is Edwards at the top? Is Sen. Clinton at the top?

17. 17 Oliver Willis
    Dec 27th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    Rice shouldn’t be president because she’s an incompetent ideologue. She won’t be president because of that and the fact that she’s a black woman. Current polls for either party are meaningless at this point, based solely on name recognitition - which is why Clinton, Giuliani, Rice, and McCain all poll well.

18. 18 Ryland
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 1:12 am

    HA-ha

19. 19 Frank_D
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 5:12 am

    Rice shouldn t be president because she s an incompetent ideologue = Rice shouldn t be president because I don’t think she should be President.

    She is going to send Sen. Clinton home crying to Arkansas or Illinois, or wherever she really comes from.

    And, Ryland, what the hell was that comment about? You better stay away from that pipe, boy!

20. 20 Ryland
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 6:12 am

    You: I find it interesting that people like Oliver can t bring themselves to say that Secretary Rice shouldn t be President

    Oliver: Rice shouldn t be president

    Me: HA-ha

    Get it?

21. 21 Ryland
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 7:12 am

    Rice shouldn t be president because she s an incompetent ideologue = Rice shouldn t be president because I don t think she should be President.

    Frank, don’t you get tired of putting words in peoples’ mouths? If you were as intelligent as you are pompous, you might at least be entertaining.

    She is going to send Sen. Clinton home crying to Arkansas or Illinois, or wherever she really comes from.

    I’ll bet you $20, payable by Paypal, that neither lady will be a candidate.

    This Ultimate Showdown you keep talking up is just what Oliver said, fan fiction. Republicans could only dream that Hilary Clinton gets the Democratic nomination. As for Condi Rice, there’s no way in hell the Republican base will vote for a woman, much less a black woman. Let the dream die, Frank, it’s not going to happen.

22. 22 dugger1
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 7:12 am

    Whatever you think of her, Hillary is not an idiot. She heeded the results of the Va. off year election and will continue to follow a centrist-right (for Ds) ‘Warner” path. Nothing will get her elected faster than broad scale opposition from the deranged left - from the likes of the Ms Sheehan and her ilk.

    My cynical take is that there will be no difference between Guiliani and a moderate Clinton (both liberal New Yorkers) and since we’ve got to deal with inevitable Bush-Republican fatigue, minimize the damage with a DLC moderate. Nothing overtly damaging will get through Congress anyway. Take all of our losses now. Target 2012.

    Dugger

23. 23 trevorwells
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 8:12 am

    Dugger,

    Y’all would be better off with Matinee’ Mitt Romney. He is an empty headed wingnut with a penchant for good public relations. Stop the Presses!!! That’s exactly what we have now. Nevermind.

24. 24 Dugger
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 11:12 am

    Trevor,

    “Nevermind.”

    Uhh. Don’t worry. Some of your other, earlier descriptors had already caused me to ‘nevermind’.

    Dugger

25. 25 Frank_D
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    OK, I’m not sure why it won’t print, but it involves bracketed “nelsons”

26. 26 withinreason
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    Oliver,on your reference to Hillary,I know she seems to be trying to stay in the middle but,,,I believe it is nothing more than a ploy. And to tell you the truth I do’nt understand why Liberal would be a bad word,it seems they knock us just because we want to be free and think high of liberty. Have you noticed lately how the “right” has come to the aid of upholding the spying issue? It seems the “right” wants the government to be in charge of everything,kinda like socialism. But ms. Hillary needs to make clear her intentions and not ride the fence on some things,I just do’nt believe she is so much in the middle of the road as she says? But then again I do’nt know how Kerry lost after making Bush look like a fool on national t.v?? At any rate let us hope that it is only a ploy from Ms.Clinton,we’ve had enough of “right” to do us all a lifetime..

27. 27 Frank_D
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    The part that disappeared from the post above was
    the part you never explained

28. 28 Frank_D
    Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    Ryland, next Christmas, ask Santa for the brain you didn’t get this year.

    1) “Ha - ha” was not the piece of your comment I had trouble with. It was the part, which, of course, you have still failed to explain.

    2) There is a significance to the FACT that when Republicans are polled, they choose Condoleezza Rice as their “fantasy candidate”, despite the fact that she has indicated that she doesn’t want to run for President.
    a) People — yes, Republican people — are saying that if she were the candidate, they would vote for her. Get it, Ryland? Republicans would VOTE for her.

    3) Democrats are the only ones saying that Republicans would never would vote for a woman, let alone a black woman. Get it, Ryland? Only Democrats.

    4) None of you liberal automotons on these threads have offered any information to the effect that there is someone to beat Sen. Clinton, or someone to beat Secretary Rice. You just keep saying the same thing over and over. It’s just a mantra, not even speculation. And you call me a writer of fan fiction.

    Finally, if any of you left wing robots had ever read CondiPundit, you would find little or no speculation on my part as to Secretary Rice’s chances of being elected President.
    But, of course, it wouldn’t be the first time a member of “Oliver’s Army” shot his mouth off without knowing what he was talking about. Get it, Ryland?

29. 29 Quaker in a Basement
    Dec 29th, 2005 at 6:12 pm

    Finally, if any of you left wing robots had ever read CondiPundit, you would find little or no speculation on my part as to Secretary Rice s chances of being elected President.

    You mean we won’t see anything like this?

30. 30 Ryland
    Dec 30th, 2005 at 5:12 am

    1)  Ha - ha was not the piece of your comment I had trouble with. It was the part, which, of course, you have still failed to explain.

    Nelson is the character on The Simpsons that says “HA-ha”. It may have been stripped out of your comment by the HTML filter; I got the brackets to show up by using HTML entities > and <. If that doesn’t explain it for you, forget it, it really wasn’t that important anyway.

    2) There is a significance to the FACT that when Republicans are polled, they choose Condoleezza Rice as their  fantasy candidate , despite the fact that she has indicated that she doesn t want to run for President.
    a) People  yes, Republican people  are saying that if she were the candidate, they would vote for her. Get it, Ryland? Republicans would VOTE for her.

    Point me to some polls. Polls conducted on CondiWorship CondiPundit don’t count.

    3) Democrats are the only ones saying that Republicans would never would vote for a woman, let alone a black woman. Get it, Ryland? Only Democrats.

    Well yeah, what do you think, Republicans are going to admit that they’re racists and sexists? (Well, some here in Texas will, but most places, people are more circumspect.)

    4) None of you liberal automotons on these threads have offered any information to the effect that there is someone to beat Sen. Clinton, or someone to beat Secretary Rice. You just keep saying the same thing over and over. It s just a mantra, not even speculation. And you call me a writer of fan fiction.

    I don’t know who could beat her, and furthermore I don’t care. I don’t have any plans to vote Democratic, no matter what candidate they field. All I can say is that in experience, it’s only Republicans who talk up Hillary as the Democratic nominee, because that’s who you guys want the Democrats to run. I don’t think it’s going to happen.

    Finally, if any of you left wing robots had ever read CondiPundit, you would find little or no speculation on my part as to Secretary Rice s chances of being elected President.

    Well, seeing as the next election is still a couple of years away, and seeing as nobody knows what will happen between now and then, it’s all speculation. Has Condi ever mentioned any possibility of running?

    Anyhow… you seem pretty positive. Does that mean you accept the bet? $20 says neither of them gets the nomination. I’ll pay up even if only one of them gets the nomination for her respective party, either one. I’m putting my money where my mouth is, Frank.

31. 31 Ryland
    Dec 30th, 2005 at 5:12 am

    Oops… where I said above, “All I can say is that in experience”, it should have been “All I can say is that in my experience”.

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