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	<title>Comments on: Culture of Corruption: Tom DeLay Indicted</title>
	<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/</link>
	<description>Like Kryptonite To Stupid</description>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7878</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7878</guid>
		<description>Maybe he's a werewolf, Quaker -- OW - ooooooo!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he&#8217;s a werewolf, Quaker &#8212; OW - ooooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7877</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7877</guid>
		<description>In that picture, why is DeLay's left hand turning into a claw?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that picture, why is DeLay&#8217;s left hand turning into a claw?</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7876</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7876</guid>
		<description>PSU94, re your earlier post about "[can] I ... look forward to a Republican winning the Philadelphia Mayoral election in 2007?"

I am a life-long Dem, but have voted against Mayor John Street for his entire political life, dating back over more than 25 years since I moved to Philly.  Corruption is corruption. I can draw you some strange but true parallels in the way Street does things and the way Bush does things. I lump them together, even though they may be miles apart on most issues (other than pay-to-play, cronyism, faith-basing). Both are dispicable human beings.

If you don't fight corruption it will proliferate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSU94, re your earlier post about &#8220;[can] I &#8230; look forward to a Republican winning the Philadelphia Mayoral election in 2007?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am a life-long Dem, but have voted against Mayor John Street for his entire political life, dating back over more than 25 years since I moved to Philly.  Corruption is corruption. I can draw you some strange but true parallels in the way Street does things and the way Bush does things. I lump them together, even though they may be miles apart on most issues (other than pay-to-play, cronyism, faith-basing). Both are dispicable human beings.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t fight corruption it will proliferate.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7875</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7875</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How can that be an opinion? Somebody is either a crook, or they aren t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When you see the evidence, then you know. Until then, all you can have is an opinion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can that be an opinion? Somebody is either a crook, or they aren t.</p></blockquote>
<p>When you see the evidence, then you know. Until then, all you can have is an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7874</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7874</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;One may hold the opinion that Mr. DeLay is a crook without offending democratic principles.&lt;/i&gt;

How can that be an opinion? Somebody is either a crook, or they aren't.

It's my &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt; that Teddy Kennedy is a murderer.

Make sense?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One may hold the opinion that Mr. DeLay is a crook without offending democratic principles.</i></p>
<p>How can that be an opinion? Somebody is either a crook, or they aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my <i>opinion</i> that Teddy Kennedy is a murderer.</p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7873</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7873</guid>
		<description>P.P.S. I figured out the blockquote - bold problem (like anyone cares). On this blog you have to hit a return after closing the blockquote tag.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.P.S. I figured out the blockquote - bold problem (like anyone cares). On this blog you have to hit a return after closing the blockquote tag.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7872</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7872</guid>
		<description>So if Earle has prosecuted 4 times as many democrats than republicans...why are we blaming republicans for a "culture of corruption"?

Likewise, wouldn't republicans have to have been involved in the previous criticisms of DeLay's ethics violations?

P.S. Quaker, thank you, but yes, I use the  with /blockquote to close the tag. I blockquote fine on other blogs. But for some reason I come up with a bold paragraph after the quote on this blog. Oh, well...as long as no one thinks I'm trying really hard to be noticed!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Earle has prosecuted 4 times as many democrats than republicans&#8230;why are we blaming republicans for a &#8220;culture of corruption&#8221;?</p>
<p>Likewise, wouldn&#8217;t republicans have to have been involved in the previous criticisms of DeLay&#8217;s ethics violations?</p>
<p>P.S. Quaker, thank you, but yes, I use the  with /blockquote to close the tag. I blockquote fine on other blogs. But for some reason I come up with a bold paragraph after the quote on this blog. Oh, well&#8230;as long as no one thinks I&#8217;m trying really hard to be noticed!</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7870</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7870</guid>
		<description>"Have you never heard of the psychic by that name?"

"I hate men, children, religious people, atheists, just people in general. Where do you come up with this shit?"

Shit by any other name would smell as sweet
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have you never heard of the psychic by that name?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I hate men, children, religious people, atheists, just people in general. Where do you come up with this shit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Shit by any other name would smell as sweet</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7871</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7871</guid>
		<description>Oh, and by the way, you really pegged me.  I hate women.  For that matter, I hate men, children, religious people, atheists, just people in general.  Where do you come up with this shit?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way, you really pegged me.  I hate women.  For that matter, I hate men, children, religious people, atheists, just people in general.  Where do you come up with this shit?</p>
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		<title>By: Zappa</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7869</link>
		<dc:creator>Zappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7869</guid>
		<description>I do enjoy watching these guys as their house of cards comes tumbling down...what else will they be wrong about?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do enjoy watching these guys as their house of cards comes tumbling down&#8230;what else will they be wrong about?</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7868</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7868</guid>
		<description>I cannot recall.  I don't remember.  I never said....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot recall.  I don&#8217;t remember.  I never said&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7867</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7867</guid>
		<description>Ms. Cleo:

I never said that losing his position as Whip is sufficient punishment if he is convicted of the alleged crimes.  Period.  Did not say it.

Continue to presume incorrectly.

Have you never heard of the psychic by that name?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Cleo:</p>
<p>I never said that losing his position as Whip is sufficient punishment if he is convicted of the alleged crimes.  Period.  Did not say it.</p>
<p>Continue to presume incorrectly.</p>
<p>Have you never heard of the psychic by that name?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7866</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7866</guid>
		<description>Semanticleo,

I'd say a slap on the wrist and a $50,000 fine should do it.

What?  It was good enough for Samuel Berger.

Or is accepting money from a PAC more serious than stealing top secret documents from the National Archives?

Oh yes, and a full Presidential pardon as well.

Again, it was good enough for Mark Rich.  All he did was defraud the IRS of $45 million in taxes.  Oh, and, um, buy oil from Ayatollah Kohmeini, and flee to Europe as a fugitive while his companies were ordered to pay $150 million in fines and restitution to the Federal government.  No big deal, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semanticleo,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say a slap on the wrist and a $50,000 fine should do it.</p>
<p>What?  It was good enough for Samuel Berger.</p>
<p>Or is accepting money from a PAC more serious than stealing top secret documents from the National Archives?</p>
<p>Oh yes, and a full Presidential pardon as well.</p>
<p>Again, it was good enough for Mark Rich.  All he did was defraud the IRS of $45 million in taxes.  Oh, and, um, buy oil from Ayatollah Kohmeini, and flee to Europe as a fugitive while his companies were ordered to pay $150 million in fines and restitution to the Federal government.  No big deal, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7865</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7865</guid>
		<description>A great flood begins with just a little opening in the dike.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great flood begins with just a little opening in the dike.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7864</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7864</guid>
		<description>If DeLay is convicted, what should the punishment be?

( I know, JD, you feel losing his position as Whip is sufficient )

Everyone;

What should the punishment  be?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If DeLay is convicted, what should the punishment be?</p>
<p>( I know, JD, you feel losing his position as Whip is sufficient )</p>
<p>Everyone;</p>
<p>What should the punishment  be?</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7863</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7863</guid>
		<description>Ms. Cleo : Do not ever presume that you can think for me.  If convicted, his punishment should be whatever the law allows for.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Cleo : Do not ever presume that you can think for me.  If convicted, his punishment should be whatever the law allows for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7862</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7862</guid>
		<description>DavidW asked, "... how many scandals does it take?"

Well, between 1992 and 2000 we had:

GenniferFlowersgate
Nannygate
Travelgate
Whitewater
VincentFostergate
Filegate
Paulagate
Monicagate
Chinagate
Giftgate
Pardongate

... all from a President who promised to have "the most ethical administration in history," and who instructed his officials,

"I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries that define legal and ethical conduct. This means avoiding even the appearance of problems. This means checking and, if need be, double-checking that the rules have been obeyed. This means never compromising those rules."

Doesn't exactly boost your confidence in elected officials, does it?

The real irony of the DeLay indictment is that it involves campaign finance rules.  If only the DNC was serious about "checking and, if need be, double-checking that the rules have been obeyed" during the 1996 Presidential election, when they funneled $$MILLIONS$$ of questionable and outright illegal contributions into their coffers.  Talk about "situational ethics."

Years ago, our Oklahoma governor, David Walters (D) was involved in a similar probe.  He pledged "full cooperation," but when the investigation resulted in indictments, he pled guilty to one misdemeanor in exchange for the felony indictments being dropped.  That "deal" smelled so strongly of political cronyism that Walters had to withdraw from running for a second term.

If the charges against DeLay stick, the voters in his district should know what to do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidW asked, &#8220;&#8230; how many scandals does it take?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, between 1992 and 2000 we had:</p>
<p>GenniferFlowersgate<br />
Nannygate<br />
Travelgate<br />
Whitewater<br />
VincentFostergate<br />
Filegate<br />
Paulagate<br />
Monicagate<br />
Chinagate<br />
Giftgate<br />
Pardongate</p>
<p>&#8230; all from a President who promised to have &#8220;the most ethical administration in history,&#8221; and who instructed his officials,</p>
<p>&#8220;I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries that define legal and ethical conduct. This means avoiding even the appearance of problems. This means checking and, if need be, double-checking that the rules have been obeyed. This means never compromising those rules.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t exactly boost your confidence in elected officials, does it?</p>
<p>The real irony of the DeLay indictment is that it involves campaign finance rules.  If only the DNC was serious about &#8220;checking and, if need be, double-checking that the rules have been obeyed&#8221; during the 1996 Presidential election, when they funneled $$MILLIONS$$ of questionable and outright illegal contributions into their coffers.  Talk about &#8220;situational ethics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Years ago, our Oklahoma governor, David Walters (D) was involved in a similar probe.  He pledged &#8220;full cooperation,&#8221; but when the investigation resulted in indictments, he pled guilty to one misdemeanor in exchange for the felony indictments being dropped.  That &#8220;deal&#8221; smelled so strongly of political cronyism that Walters had to withdraw from running for a second term.</p>
<p>If the charges against DeLay stick, the voters in his district should know what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7861</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7861</guid>
		<description>When/if he is convicted, he should vacate his seat.

JD;

Your words.  Not mine

Maybe You could do your own thinking for a change

BTW;

Your continual reference to me a Ms Cleo is not in the least bit, irritating.

It only demonstrates that you use the female form as a perjorative, revealing your hate for women.  Of course, this time I AM presuming to speak for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When/if he is convicted, he should vacate his seat.</p>
<p>JD;</p>
<p>Your words.  Not mine</p>
<p>Maybe You could do your own thinking for a change</p>
<p>BTW;</p>
<p>Your continual reference to me a Ms Cleo is not in the least bit, irritating.</p>
<p>It only demonstrates that you use the female form as a perjorative, revealing your hate for women.  Of course, this time I AM presuming to speak for you.</p>
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		<title>By: rainlion</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7860</link>
		<dc:creator>rainlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7860</guid>
		<description>spitar1 - tell me my I wasn't right when I said in my initial comments:

"Something tells me that Dreier may never make it to the temp job in the first place&#038;  particularly once Dobson, et al. hear about it."

Interesting... that was quick - guess they decided they wanted to limit the number of fronts/backs and sides they were fighting on at one time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spitar1 - tell me my I wasn&#8217;t right when I said in my initial comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;Something tells me that Dreier may never make it to the temp job in the first place&#038;  particularly once Dobson, et al. hear about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting&#8230; that was quick - guess they decided they wanted to limit the number of fronts/backs and sides they were fighting on at one time.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7859</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2005/09/28/culture-of-corruption-tom-delay-indicted/#comment-7859</guid>
		<description>After doing some reading, it seems like this is destined to end up much like his pseudo-prosecution of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing some reading, it seems like this is destined to end up much like his pseudo-prosecution of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson.</p>
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