Opponents Of “Ground Zero Mosque” Mostly Just Hate Islam
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Of course, we knew that already. I will never understand why we collectively pretend some of these things don’t exist in order to make bigots feel better about themselves.
According to the internals sent my way, opposition to the Ground Zero mosque is overwhelmingly driven by those with an unfavorable view of Islam:
* Fifty-five percent of those who have favorable views of the religion say it should be built.
* Meanwhile, among those who have an unfavorable view of Islam, an overwhelming 87 percent say the project shouldn’t be built, with 74 percent strongly opposed.
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I just think it’s a bad idea to build a 1,000 foot statue of Osama bin Laden with suicide bombing hang-glider launch pad right across from Ground Zero.
And what fraction of the 13% who aren’t opposed to the center are atheists, who have an unfavorable opinion of any religion?
*sigh*
Cons, turning a Burlington Coat Factory into a community center won’t take your pork chops & ham sandwiches away. Calm down.
Love to see a quiz (on Leno’s “Jaywalking?”) about basic facts of the religion these peeps profess to hate. Prediction: massive FAIL.
It stabs the constitution’s heart!!!
I just think it’s a bad idea to build a 1,000 foot statue of Osama bin Laden with suicide bombing hang-glider launch pad right across from Ground Zero.
Ha!
And what fraction of the 13% who aren’t opposed to the center are atheists, who have an unfavorable opinion of any religion?
Probably a significant number. I’d be in that camp.
What’s missing here is the other set of conditionals — % who dislike islam among people who are opposed vs. people who are not.
That said, duh.
I like this one: “67 percent of those who identify as Republican say they have unfavorable views of Islam”
So 2/3 of self-identifying republicans are comfortable telling a complete stranger over the phone that they dislike Islam. That’s in-CRED-ible. Next time anyone gets upset because I say Republicans hate muslims, the next time someone denies that there’s a wave of something awful happening, that it’s really just a few loons, remind me of that data point…
anotherbozo: Love to see a quiz (on Leno’s “Jaywalking?”) about basic facts of the religion these peeps profess to hate. Prediction: massive FAIL.
Won’t make any difference. Those who think already know people opposed to the community center and Islam are idiots. And those who refuse to think won’t realize that their demonstrating their idiocy.
Without fear and bigotry, the Republicans couldn’t get more than 20% of the vote outside the confederate states.
And those who refuse to think won’t realize that their demonstrating their idiocy.–SDM
Gawd.
Were all idiots, Sean. Ever last one of us.
Apparently just not as much as you are.
Dope.
Ah, grammar errors. The last refuge of something something.
Anything to say about the fact that 2/3 of republicans don’t like islam, or is that less surprising to you than a very common error of english usage? Because I mean, none of *us* are surprised, but I would have thought you’d at least try to explain it away.
Was this from the Bureau of Really Obvious Stuff?
Dennis, this is a better place without you around. Go away. It’s for the best.
Let’s see, this phony “imam” is a representative of the Muslim Brotherhood and supports a terrorist oganization like Hamas, blames the US for 911, and the libturds on this thread blame patriotic Americans when they dislike his extortionate blackmail and fake religious credentials. His “legal arm” of CAIr is also a Hamas supporter. Just how far do the libturds and Hillarious Clytoon’s State Dept loons expect the American people, as opposed to the lumpenprole d-bags on the left, to support this travesty of good sense and insult to sane public policy. I’m a State Dept. trained Arabist and am aware that the terrorist minority of the Muslim world will consider this spurious “peace center” a memorial to the triumph of Osama and his suicidal boy-pals. They will consider the cringing cowardice of the libs as final proof that the US can be rolled by using its Fifth Column—called the Demonrat Party—to shirk the national security of the USA.
I agree with the 911 spouse of the murdered fireman. Al rauf is the biggest threat to national security in the country. And burning a Qu’ran is NOTHING compared to erecting a memorial to an Islamic “victory” attained by deception, guile, and the dupe-PC idiocy of the Jamie Gorelicks and Janet Napolitanos of this country—add the self-described “mutt” POTUS to that list of security risks at the heart of the US govt.
Hey dib, wrong site. Type in Stormfront, should get you where you belong.
But Dennis is bored with his wingnut friends. It’s always “butlookoverthere!” and “I know you are but what am I” All. The. Goddamn. Time. This place is where the action is.
As for Islamic center, I agree with dib. After built, they’ll politely ignore the random buck shot, car bombing, Glenn Beck protest… while they hatch top secret plans to turn every Manhattan dance club into seperate-sex burqa-n-prayer-rug sweatshops bent on the complete destruction of all that is good and decent in this Great Land Of Ours.
I’m a State Dept. trained Arabist and am aware that the terrorist minority of the Muslim world will consider this spurious “peace center” a memorial to the triumph of Osama and his suicidal boy-pals.
And I’m the Queen of All the Russias and am aware of…a lot of things.
Any of the usual wingnutz wanna disown this one? No? OK, then.
Dennis: Were all idiots, Sean. Ever last one of us.
Apparently just not as much as you are.
Yes, when I type fast I tend to make homophone mistakes and don’t always catch them before hitting the [Submit] button.
This makes my point completely invalid and demonstrates that a grammatical error is as big a deal as attempting to deny American citizens their constitutionally protected rights.
Ya got me, Dennis.
“They will consider the cringing cowardice of the libs as final proof that the US can be rolled by using its Fifth Column”
Oh, I get it — you’re all wound up about what the terrorists will think of us.
And if I remember correctly, letting the terrorists dictate our actions means they win.
And I’m pretty sure that if you’re not with us, you’re against us.
Stay with me — so you think we should care what the terrorists think, and caring what the terrorists think means we lose, and if you’re not for us winning, you’re for us losing, which means you’re a terrorist.
So my question then, is: did the State Department know that you were a terrorist sympathizer when they trained you, or did you trick them into thinking that you thought that the US should be guided by its own principles rather than those of islamist extremists?
Take your time.
daveinboca: Let’s see, this phony “imam” is a …
Except he isn’t any of the things you list. As has been shown several times on this site. But don’t let demonstrated reality stop you from being a bigot.
daveinboca: I’m a State Dept. trained Arabist and am aware that the terrorist minority of the Muslim world will consider this spurious “peace center” a memorial to the triumph of Osama and his suicidal boy-pals.
So you’re in favor of stepping on American citizens because you fear the opinions of terrorists.
Doin’ a heckuva job, dave.
dib has a website. I was gonna comment there for fun but nobody comments. It’d probably be more productive to go down to skid row and find a bum to debate alcoholism with.
But Dennis, you may have a new friend here? Enjoy!
Maybe the other trolls could go over there- would solve problems for both camps.
Oh so I see we changed the dictionary definition of “unfavorable” to mean “hatred.”
Are any of you atheists? Since (as SQ said) you have an unfavorable view of just about any religion, then you’re nothing but a bunch of bigots.
I’m an agnostic open to the possibility that a supreme being exists in a higher, more encompassing domain which is unviewable from our lower domain (think random points vs the volume they exist in – one only knows itself, the other sees all…).
I also understand the value (and detriment) religion has for any society.
I believe that just as the Christian intellectuals of Cappidocia have been replaced by the kooks of wingnuttia, so are athiests trying to replace the agnostics of old.
I know a lot of good Christians. But I also know a lot of Christians who hate Muslims.
Where can we go with this?
“Since (as SQ said) you have an unfavorable view of just about any religion, then you’re nothing but a bunch of bigots.”
No — and I think you’re confusing the skeptic’s unfavorable view of religion with our unfavorable view of the actions of the faithful. Religion is a symptom, not the issue.
Bigotry is adhering staunchly to one’s prejudices, and a prejudice is an assumption prior to gaining adequate knowledge on which to base a judgment.
Every faithful person has faith — this isn’t a pre-judgment, it’s a fact. And I believe that being overly-credulous — faithful — is, broadly-speaking, bad. This is admittedly subjective, but it’s not bigotry. There’s no prejudice, no thing that i need to know about people of faith to determine whether or not they have faith. They do.
Once you accept that it’s not bigotry, it’s just a question of whether you think believing stuff too easily is bad. I do. You can not, the same way you can decide whether talking too loud, hitting / not hitting your kid, not learning english, stealing bread to feed your family, or not mowing your lawn are bad. But the question of whether the faithful have faith? That’s not a prejudice.
And it doesn’t mean I don’t like people of faith — I just would prefer that they’d change this one aspect of their activities and apply the same standard of judgment to whatever they have faith in that they do in their daily lives. Most of my friends who are people of faith, just as yours are. I like them. I just don’t think this part of their personality is very responsible.
So, you can call me an asshole and disagree about whether people should just believe what they’re told, but unless you can find me a faith that doesn’t involve faith, which I bet you can’t, there’s no prejudice, and without prejudice, there’s no bigotry. It has nothing to do with their *religions* except incidentally, and it’s not a pre-cursor to the reason that I don’t favor them, it’s the reason itself.
Clear? You can disagree about whether believing in the absence of evidence is a good trait or not, but either way, it’s not bigotry. The faithful are faithful, and I don’t think that that facet of their behavior is admirable.
You know, this is what’s cunning about the rightwing.
Rauf said that he would not get involved in the wholesale condemnation of Hamas, and would instead, only condemn any terrorist action by anyone. That’s an interesting definition of “supports a terrorist organization…”.
I suppose he’s as much an enemy of America as Edward Peck, who also pointed out that America couldn’t pretend that the 9/11 attacks were some big surprise. Peck used a very interesting phrase there. Got a lot of people ticked off when he was quoted by Jeremiah Wright.
It’s not that the right wing shows their lack of interest in the truth – it’s that they don’t even try to learn better after being wrong, again and again.
with all do respect hnice, that’s a rather narrow definition of faith. Faith can also mean faithfulness to a core set of values which, for some of us, are the cornerstone of a religious tradition. Faith has more to do with living those values every day than just “believing what you are told.”
You know, if you remove “Ground Zero Mosque” and “Islam” from Oliver’s headline, and replace them with “Terry Jones’ Koran Burning” and “Christianity,” the only thing that changes is a moonbat’s opinion.
The Constitutional question is precisely the same.
Rev up the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHMBULANCE!
if you remove “Ground Zero Mosque” and “Islam” from Oliver’s headline, and replace them with “Terry Jones’ Koran Burning” and “Christianity,”
…you get: “Opponents Of Terry Jones’ Koran Burning” Mostly Just Hate Christianity”.
Of course, there’s an important difference. There’s absolutely no evidence to support your version. There are poll results that support Oliver’s construction.
Also too, I’m surprised you would accuse General Petraeus and Sarah Palin of “hating Christianity.”
Quaker,
Congratulations! You’ve just proven that oliver’s headline is a complete strawman!
And I barely had to do a thing.
Thanks.
Congratulations! You’ve just proven that oliver’s headline is a complete strawman!
In what language? Certainly not English. Oliver’s headline is backed up with, you know, facts. Your proposed alternative is not.
Where’s the straw?
“with all do respect hnice, that’s a rather narrow definition of faith.”
sorry, but that’s the one i’ve got — belief in a premise in the absence of supporting evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence. i could be wrong, but i think that’s what most uses of the word mean. certainly, when we talk about ‘issues of faith’, this is exactly what we’re talking about — those personal issues that aren’t subject to logical or empirical scrutiny.
and again, we can get along, but i think it’s not the best way to do business.
Since the subject has been raised, I’m an atheist, as atheistic as anyone can be.
I support all First Amendment rights, including freedom of (and in my case, from) religion. I support the right of anyone of any religion to build a structure on any property they own, no matter where it is located, just as I support the right of any atheist to build a structure on private property for any non-religious purpose, subject only to local zoning laws.
I also support the right of conservative morons to harm our standing in the world with lunacy, but I will speak up on behalf of sanity when I hear about them.
But I’m kind of a hyperpatriotic, America-loving military vet, so YMMV.
“Are any of you atheists? Since (as SQ said) you have an unfavorable view of just about any religion, then you’re nothing but a bunch of bigots.”
I’m an atheist who believes strongly in the freedom of expression, religious or otherwise. I think the Bill of Rights is a really good thing. I think the 1st Amendment is a really, really good thing. I think America is about freedom, not the selective denial of freedoms to people with different views (who also happen to be US citizens).
You, Chickenhawk Jay, are a coward and a bigot. And I have to ask — Why do you hate America?
Most don’t hate Islam so much as they LOVE attention. (qv, Spalin, Becks, et alia)