Ben Nelson Knifes The Middle Class On Taxes
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Nelson, who was key to making health care reform far less effective than it could have been, is now on board with giving Paris Hilton and company a longer tax holiday despite the economic downside of such idiotic tax policy.
There’s really no point in a Democratic majority beholden to the Ben Nelsons of the world, because in many ways they do more to get in the way of vital progress than Republicans do. Long term the Democrats need to be in a position where people like Nelson are on the periphery of the caucus – if they’re in it at all.
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Blue Dogs get checks from the DNC, DCCC and DSCC regardless of how they vote. Until the chairmen start throwing their weight around, we will continue to get these obstructionist results
Methinks your anger is misplaced…
Of course, as the economist who saved or created 125 million jobs once said: “The last thing you want to do is to raise taxes in the middle of a recession because that would just suck up—take more demand out of the economy and put businesses further in a hole.”
TAXES FOR THE RICH, retard.
Assume all we care about is this:
Do tax cuts for the rich get us more money?
Not you. Us. As in the 98% of us.
Is this still too hard to understand?
(Crap. A word with more than two syllables…)
Well, if it’s all about YOUR GREED, then the answer is …
“The rich” == “job creators”.
Raising their taxes mean they hire less people, which means less jobs for the middle class.
I need credibly proof. I don’t care about your opinion.
credible
Raising their taxes mean they hire less people, which means less jobs for the middle class.
You know, this is oft-repeated by the right, but like many things that are the conventional wisdom, I would bet that it is completely fucking wrong.
SaveFarris: “The rich” == “job creators”.
Actually, no. I’d explain it to you and give you link after link, but reality would have no impact on you so why bother?
I would bet that it is completely fucking wrong.
And you’d win.
It’s true. Across the board, the rich reported record profits last quarter, and in response have been laying people off. To maximize their profits.
Which is why, you know, we’re in this whole “jobless recovery” thing.
I don’t know why the rightards find this so hard to understand. The rich DO NOT NEED a healthy middle class. In fact, they enjoy one that’s stressed out, because that means more cheap labor for them. All tax cuts do for them is help them pull the ladder up behind them, so the rest of us can’t climb up.
But try telling that to the dimbulbs that jerk off to libertarian fantasies of tax-free countries that run on unicorn farts.
“I believe in Jesus”
has morphed into
“Liberals mean Satan. And Satan means carnage! Liberal means carnage!!”
“Faith” has morphed into forcing perception to shape reality. Or some shit. Carlos Castaneda would be proud. To work some coin out of the situation that is.
At least we don’t have to worry about Blanche any more.
Umm, Jody…Put your class warfare based hate away and think like a person not a Think Progress talking point bulletin.
“The Rich” didn’t record any “profits”. Corporations report profits, hon, people report their income.
Is the income of wealthy folks going up. For some, yes, but for most, no, just like the rest of us.
You can dehumanize the wealthy among us all you want, but thinking people can tell it is just class envy. You want to eliminate either their wealth or them. Grow up and get over it.
Oliver,
If you’re are so worried about people paying their fair share of taxes, why don’t you start with the 41 Obama White House aides who collective owe nearly $1 million in back taxes.
And after that, maybe you could then explain to us how someone making $250K a year is one of those dreaded evil “millionaires”:
I wonder just how “wealthy” some of those $250K two-income earning “millionaires” living in high tax & high cost of living states like CA and NY feel? Do they light their cigars with $100 bills and laugh at the poor people outside of their mansions?
Davey boy, if you make $250k you will pay exactly 0$ in new taxes with Obama’s plan. If you make $300k, you will pay a total of $2,300 more.
Umm, Jody…Put your class warfare based hate away and think like a person not a Think Progress talking point bulletin.
I’m always… amused? Yes, I’m going to go with amused. It beast being disgusted. I’m always amused by those who chide others for being unthinking while demonstrating their own inability to think for for themselves.
You want to eliminate either their wealth or them.
No, we want to share in it. We want to recognize the reality that “trickle down” economics doesn’t work, the fact that most jobs are produced by smaller companies and firms which are not owned by the highly wealthy, the truth that the very rich have continued to get richer while income in the “middle class” has stagnated.
Letting tax rates for 2% of the population, for a very wealthy few, rise a few percentage points so they are back to what they were a decade ago is not a crisis for the rich and can be a significant plus for everyone.
Davey boy, if you make $250k you will pay exactly 0$ in new taxes with Obama’s plan.
Sorry, EL, I don’t buy it. Obama says those people are millionaires, which is why he wants to raise their taxes. They’re the evil “rich” who need to be paying their “fair share”, but because they’re “wealthy” they’re obviously not.
We should probably burn down their houses just to make sure they’re not hiding piles of cash from us.
If you make $300k, you will pay a total of $2,300 more.
Sure, you’ve already paid $70K in federal taxes and $22K in (CA) state taxes, so what’s another couple of grand out of pocket? Just light your cigars with $20s instead of $100s, you rich bastard. The important thing is that nearly half of the population is still shielded from paying any of those icky federal taxes.
Sorry, make that $77K in federal taxes and $25K in state taxes.
Phil = all emoting and no substance.
DSOC = all emoting and no substance.
Boring.
Once again, timmy’s got nothing.
Ben Nelson Knifes
The Middle ClassObama On TaxesFixed the headline to reflect what really has Oliver’s panties in a twist.
Dave says: “I know you are but what am I?”
Conservatives were the ones who pushed that reduced taxes for the wealthy would be beneficial for the rest of us.
After years of questionable results, I am now saying, prove it.
I don’t care about your idiotic opinions or infantile debate tactics.
I want credible facts and figures.
I have to go work now. Consider:
Based on all the historic GDP data that I can find (between the Great Depression and our Great Recession), the rate of growth for GDP has remained unaffected by tax policy.
I am finding data that percentage of wealth distribution has increasingly favored the wealthy, since tax cuts for the wealthy began.
Credible experts, such as the CBO, Greenspan, many economic pundits.. have recently proclaimed that a major cause of the deficit is the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. (Jay argues that it’s spending. But when we argue that reduced spending would likely result in more pushes for more reduced taxation for the wealthy and thus continued deficit, Jay gets very angry.)
There is data implying that the wealthy are far more likely to dabble in stock, commodity and real estate speculation than is Joe Sixpack. When the bubble invariably pops, the wealthy may lose what they invested, but Joe Sixpack loses his livelihood.
Data suggest that many if not most companies are opting to invest their tax savings overseas.
I remain confident that you can avoid emotionalism, moralism, or any other retarded debating strategies and provide credible data here which may actually persuade me.
Dave in SoCal: Sorry, EL, I don’t buy it.
Based on?
The important thing is that nearly
half98% of the population is still shielded from paying any of those icky federal taxes.Fixed to account for reality.
timmy: Based on all the historic GDP data …
I am finding data …
Credible experts …
There is data …
Data …
Yeah, but Dave in SoCal has a feeling.
I see the defenders of the rich haven’t taken into account that while the average Middle Class worker’s salary has remained stagnant for years now, the top 1% has increased their salaries … significantly.
The current disparity in wealth in this country hasn’t been seen since the Gilded Age … it’s not brain surgery. Really. It isn’t.