VIDEO: Secretary Of State Clinton Condemns Koran Burning
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This is just embarrassing internationally. Stop it, America.
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That makes Gen. Petraeus, The US Embassy in Pakistan, the Sec. of State and Angelina Jolie members of the side of Common Sense.
I just don’t see why these people feel they have to burn another religion’s holy book…there are other ways to protest and show your objection.
As irresponsible and inconvenient as it is, I support the right of the idiot to do his moronic stunt. I don’t want to live in a country where inconvenient opinions are censored or banned, and am not at all bothered that many Americans of all political and religious backgrounds are speaking out against this. America is about the right to say various opinions in various ways, even the ones that bother Muslims.
Countries where the assholes can be mocked tend to have fewer problems with assholes.
Clinton condemned the act, as she and any sane patriot would. She didn’t call for the National Guard to go in and stop it.
In Teabagger land though, just telling them to stop acting like bigots is tantamount to “muzzeling” them or what have you. When a US general says US troops might get killed because of the acts, that doesn’t mean he’s calling for the Teabaggers in question to be arrested.
Fight ignorance with more free speech.
Yeah, speaking of, has Palin tweeted about this yet, or does she think that building a community center is worse than burning the Kuran?
In a way, this is a perfect litmus test — if you came out on TV condemning the Park Place Center for Islamic Swimming Pools and Ping Pong Tables but you don’t have anything to say about burning a stack of Kurans, I think it’s pretty fair to say that you hate, or are playing on the hate of, Muslims.
So, then, I guess all we have to do is wait for the parade of loud public condemnation for Kuran-burning from the right to start, yeah? Can’t wait.
More than just internationally. What country IS this? Just when I don’t think we can get any lower, any more anti-American (torture, torched mosque sites, etc.) we outdo ourselves.
listen: there’s a hell
of a good universe next door; let’s go
if only!
As much as the clergy of America have tried to separate themselves from this idiot, the international press cant help themselves but give more coverage to him over them. The news on Sept. 11 wont be heavy on rememberance, it will be on the nazi/KKK-esque images of book burning in southern America. Just think of the stereotypes. There has to be counter protest in the same street as these goofballs.
What that line outta The Simpsons, “ok children, place your textbooks onto the fire while I beat this ominous sounding drum”, or something along those lines.
Kudos to Secretary Clinton. Pastor Jones is a media whore who doesn’t care if the troops get killed as a response to his stunt
She’s correct of course, but in our fucked-up national discourse, this statement will of course have the opposite effect than desired, a la:
“That bitch Hitlery KKKlintoon is against burning Korans? Hell, yeah, let’s go git some more of em, and an extra economy size drum of lighter fluid! That’ll show her!”
I’m just worried that the teabaggers and beckinites will fuel up and head to Florida for the weekend.
They already are Ben…
“Books are burning
In the main square, and I saw there
The fire eating the text
Books are burning
In the still air
And you know where they burn books
People are next…”
- XTC, “Books Are Burning”
Did you guys just see the condemnation John Boehner tweeted about this, where he got all worked up about patriotism and busted on insane Christians for being assholes?
Yeah, me neither.
“Well, of course they have the RIGHT to burn the Qu’ran – but SHOULD they?”
Boehner’s only thought: will this hurt or help Republicans?
I think the issue of whether you think this helps or hurts republicans is closely correlated to two things:
1. whether you think republican Americans, in large part, dislike Muslims and Islam, and
2. whether you believe that republican Americans, by and large, are dumb enough to remain free of cognitive dissonance that might result from protesting the GZ mosque (offensive!) while defending this shithead (free speech!).
So, yeah, i think this particular screeching match is going to turn out just fine for the republicans.
Is there anyone trying to take away that right? I mean, that’s almost a straw man.
The problem isn’t that he has the right to do this. He does. The problem is that this kind of toxic hatred should be assurance of the utmost contempt and disgust. People shouldn’t even have to say “there are hundreds of millions of peace loving Muslims who you’re insulting by doing this!” This shouldn’t even require people saying that it’s a lousy thing to do.
Do I think he should go to jail for doing this? No. Do I think someone should hurt him, physically, for this? No. If I heard that he was running for dog catcher, and people voted against him in droves, I’d be awfully happy… but I wouldn’t want him relegated to the back of the bus, or told he can’t sit at the lunch counter.
The only good thing about this is it’s an opportunity for us to stand up and say “this asshole is *not* representative of America.”
Of for f*cks sake- everybody is condemning this idiot, as well as he should be. Nobody on the right or left should show any sign of support for this asshat and his “church.” It is so incredibly un-Christian of these nutballs. Nobody on the right or the left are supporting them, and plenty have condemned this senseless stunt.
Good for Hillary, and anyone else who speaks up.
It’s a go.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/florida-pastor-says-koran-burning-still-on/?partner=rss&emc=rss
Living in an open democracy means you sometimes have to see and hear things you do not agree with.
I support this groups right to burn Korans.
I also support the right of other Americans to point out how stupid and ignorant this group is at every opportunity.
Yeah, speaking of, has Palin tweeted about this yet, or does she think that building a community center is worse than burning the Kuran?
Yes, as a matter of fact, she has., and yes, as a matter of fact she does.
Yeah, like Mrs. Palin wrote that, um sure.
Palin’s ghost writer is Orwellian in their ability to proclaim that repeating lies to promote a community center is an example of supporting freedom of religion.
Bigotry is Tolerance!
Oppression is Freedom!
That’s what I get for mis-editing my sentence.
i’m with dennis. i knew she’d get around to it eventually.
i particularly like the ‘stand down’ on her tweet — very martial — though, that’s something you’d generally say to one of your own troops, right? huh.
anyway — good for her! we’re on the brink of a broad, national ethnic conflict — ‘stand down’ should do the trick!
Now *that* is a perfect example of what the Republicans consider to be religious tolerance!
Rather than just condemn a mean-spirited and nasty activity, even the condemnation has to be used to take a swipe at someone.
Who’s building a mosque at Ground Zero? (Not that I think it matters, but I hadn’t heard about that.) Are these Ground Zero mosque builders also planning to burn [Christian] Bibles?
Too Close To Ground Zero Imam: “I never would have done it if I knew it would create tensions.”
Sure thing, dude. Of course you didn’t know the America-hating Left wouldn’t run interference for you the whole way through, either, did you?
Dennis, FU. Seriously. The fact that the right would even begin to equate the burning of a Holy Book (with the express intent of insulting and intimidating American Muslims) with building a community center shows just how morally bankrupt you have become.
Which side owns the haters, again?
The fact that you can sit at your computer and type this shit with a smirk on your face has made me lose any respect I might once have had for you.
Yes, the freedom loving “Left” would stand up to protect someone who’s the target of a hatefest. Too bad the soi disant freedom-loving “Right” generated the hatefest; they could have had something to be proud of.
That’s one of the fascinating things about the Dennises of the world. They think that it’s enough to say that they love something, while violating it.
I lost whatever respect I once had for you last year with your rote labelling Sgt. Crowley a racist, SQ.
You see, you depict this loon pastor as ‘the right’. You do that sort of thing often. It’s dishonest.
You hate ‘the right’ far more than we as a whole hate anyone, Southern Quaker.
As for the Imam, he’s just as dishonest and disingenuous as you are. He says now that if he had known the firestorm this was going to create, he never would’ve started down the road to building it. But somehow now it’s too late, because stopping it or moving it somewhere else would cause tensions in the Muslim world, and endanger our troops.
If so, why the hell didn’t you think of that, superior intelligence creatures you all think you are?
Answer that, SQ. Restore some of the respect I once had for you.
Dude, fuck this — if you honestly believe that building a community center — an act of construction, one motivated by one’s own religion — is anything like burning a Koran — an act of destruction, one motivated by hatred for *another’s* religion –
If you honestly believe that those two things have *anything* in common, you’re never, ever going to come to any kind of agreement with those of us who think that they’re so different as to not even warrant comparison, so we can stop right now.
Burning a Koran either is or is not like building a community center in meaningful ways. I say it’s not. Dennis says it is. We are *never*, ever going to agree about this — ever. It is a waste of time. The rest of this discussion is insignificant next to that. The imam’s character, whether this guy is or is not the right, which is worse for the troops, who’s funding and televising what — irrelevant.
That’s the only question that matters: is building the center like burning a Koran in a way that matters to you? All the rest — bla bla bla.
My answer is no. They are nothing alike in any way that matters to me. Dennis’s answer is yes — burning the Koran is like building a community center. That’s fine. That’s the disagreement. That’s all it is. I’m happy with where I am, and he’s happy with where he is because he believes that burning a Koran is like building a community center. I don’t.
Next question.
That’s one of the fascinating things about the Dennises of the world. They think that it’s enough to say that they love something, while violating it.
You guys are all over the map, Long-Haired. And I know you’re probably just having a bad day and you don’t mean whay you say here, that it’s not really you talking but some other chemical force out of your control, but this Koran controversy was all created by the Left, for which the left wing bloggers and the Oliver’s and the SQ’s of the world in all their glee label this loon pastor as “the right’ so they can say “Aha, see, you’re all racist haters”. So it gets ballooned out of proportion byt the liberall media as a means to get even for the tanking polls Dems are getting for having to stand by the Imam. The end result is troops are endangered. Never mind that every conservative commentator has condemned the actions of the pastor.
And there you have it. Well done, hnice you have finally figured it out. It’s a false equivalence, which is what cons specialize in to defend their own crimes and crimes of their ideology.
Kind of like how Farris compared Obama’s response to the oil spill to Bush’s response to Katrina because…well, they are both in Louisiana (although the oil rig really isn’t) so they are EXACTLY the same and can be compared as long as the comparison disparages liberals and/or Democrats.
Next step hnice and admit you are wasting your time “debating” them and just point and laugh.
Enlightened Liberal, if the oil spill wasn’t really in Louisiana, then why did you declare that you were experiencing schadenfreude for Louisianians suffering when they had voted for more drilling?
The real estate agent who worked on behalf of the current Mosque to find a new location looked for over a year for a suitable site to build a community center that would serve the growing population of Muslims who live and work in lower Manhattan. Several negotiations fell through until he finally was able to secure the Burlington Coat Factory. This is your “sacred ground” – an abandoned discount clothing store. The project was first announced in December 2009 and there was absolutely NO controversy about it UNTIL the right-wing decided to try and make political hay out of it, calling it the “GROUND ZERO MOSQUE.” Of course, it is neither.
Then the right has the audacity to ask that the Imam and his followers have “compassion” and “sensitivity” about the feelings of those opposed to building a community center 2.5 blocks away from the WTC. This after spending the summer claiming that it was some sort of “Victory Mosque”/terrorist training center and was meant as an insult to Americans. Where is the compassion for these AMERICAN CITIZENS, who have lived and worked in NYC all their lives and who have suffered as much as any other New Yorker in the aftermath of 9/11? Who are now being told they are not true Americans, and that the mere idea of them building a place of community in lower Manhattan fills their fellow Americans with fear and anger?
So yes, it is too late. And not just for the reasons the Imam cited. Securing another suitable site in lower Manhattan at this juncture would be next to impossible, given the real estate market. Oh, but wait. Is all of lower Manhattan sacred? Could they build in the Bronx or Queens? Once again, these people live and work in that community. Do you expect them to get on a train and travel 45 minutes to Queens in order to enjoy a swim or a movie? Or, god forbid, worship? And who’s to say the controversy wouldn’t follow them wherever they tried to build? Will they be welcome in Queens? They certainly aren’t welcome in upstate New York, Tennessee, or California.
Then, to add insult to injury, we are now told that burning the Q’ran is exactly the same as building a multi-purpose community center that has as it’s mission, in par, the building of bridges between people of all faiths.
Tell me, Dennis, what message do you think we are sending to the rest of the world? What American ideals are we communicating to moderate Muslims in America and abroad with this manufactured controversy?
That’s what happens when you start making Constitutional rights conditional. See, the difference between you and me is that I actually believe in the Constitution, Dennis. Not just as a legal document, but as the codification of an ideal. That all people truly are equal, that there is absolutely no difference between the American Muslim family living in Manhattan and my Quaker family living in rural Appalachia. They are my neighbors, and my brothers. And that is why it infuriates me to no end when this country doesn’t fails to live up to its ideals. Because I believe in America.
Oh, and Dennis? Honestly? I couldn’t give two shits for your respect.
Liberal talking points, bromides and nothing but deflection from the real questions, Southern Quaker.
And ditto on the respect issue.
Facts = “liberal talking points”
curv3ball:
Like also too. Also.
“his Koran controversy was all created by the Left”
ah, actually it was created by the guy who’s going to burn the koran. but we did all get together at a secret meeting to pay him to do it, so yeah, you’re right. our bad.
“so they can say “Aha, see, you’re all racist haters””
ah, no, that’s why we have the other thread linking to the poll in which 2/3 of self-identified republicans said they had a negative view of islam. republicans don’t like islam. i don’t know what to tell you. not all of you, but a landslide-type majority. if that bothers you, i mean, hey — you’re on that side of the aisle by choice, buddy. but it doesn’t make it not true.
Let me see:
The left, having taken a stand to defend peaceful Muslims, thinks that a person wanting to burn the Koran is a member of the right, who has recently been bullying peaceful Muslims.
Yes, that sounds about right.
I’d like to address your other points, but you didn’t make any.