Opposition To “Ground Zero Mosque” Aids The Taliban
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Talk about actually undermining the troops in a time of war.
Taliban officials know it’s sacrilegious to hope a mosque will not be built, but that’s exactly what they’re wishing for: the success of the fiery campaign to block the proposed Islamic cultural center and prayer room near the site of the Twin Towers in lower Manhattan. ‘By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,’ Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. (Like many Afghans, he uses a single name.) ‘It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.’
America’s enemies in Afghanistan are delighted by the vehement public opposition to the proposed ‘Ground Zero mosque.’ The backlash against the project has drawn the heaviest e-mail response ever on jihadi Web sites, Zabihullah claims—far bigger even than France’s ban on burqas earlier this year. (That was big, he recalls: ‘We received many e-mails asking for advice on how Muslims should react to the hijab ban, and how they can punish France.’) This time the target is America itself. ‘We are getting even more messages of support and solidarity on the mosque issue and questions about how to fight back against this outrage.’
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I’m glad it’s not just me, thinking that.
whats a matter Ollie….getting a wittle scared….?
So now the meme at MM is that we’re supposed to listen or care what the Taliban have to say?
Brand Democrat: Kowtowing to our Enemies Since 2008
But, but, what about the delicate, French-figure-skating judge-like fee-fees of the people who don’t like Muslims? What about them? What’s more important? In America.
Actually its the righties who regularly play into the enemy’s hands. Like invading Iraq to begin with.
oh yea, good point…
The former president of Iraq and hist two sons are just have a rib splitting laugh over how they played the evil Booosh……
And the people of Iraq…REALLY bummed with this whole free society, elections thing.
Reid just wants to keep his paycheck coming. Poor guy.
… listen or care what the Taliban have to say?
A smart person always listens to what his enemies have to say. Of course, you’re sort of excluded from that statement from the first adjective on, aren’t you, i.l.?
Brand teabag: blustering brainlessly from one fuckup to another since 2001.
inverseliberal – I’m confused. I seem to remember the Rethuglicans running a whole lotta ads saying basically “Listen to this random comment from bin Laden – it sounds vaguely similar to this comment by Michael Moore or Moveon.org or some other liberal war critic! PROOF that liberals are in concert with al-Quaeda!!!! ZOMG!” Now, you tell us that we’re not supposed to listen to or care what the Taliban have to say? Which is it? Does the “listen/don’t listen” switch get flipped automatically with the election of the darky, or is it some secret Rush Limbaugh hand signal, or what?
AId and comfort Mr. inverselberal, aid and comfort, you just cannot realize how you’re doing it.
AId and comfort Mr. inverselberal, aid and comfort, you just cannot realize how you’re doing it.
Perhaps he should read the post? This is as bad as “What’s this have to do with the Tea Party” epic dumbassery from yesterday. One can’t help but wonder if inverseliberal is some sort of fake troll performance art.
And the people of Iraq…REALLY bummed with this whole free society, elections thing.
Those that are left seem to be split on the idea of democracy, if the killings and bombings are any indication. Then that are the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, and the hundreds of thousands who had to flee the country.
The happy ones are those who are sucking on our taxpayer teat to the tune of a billion or so a month. If Iraq was a “success,” it’s hard to imagine how failure could be any worse.
If a couple of hundred people in the US died every month from terrorist acts, such as is the case in Iraq today, we might consider it a problem. You don’t as long as it happens to brown people somewhere else, even though we caused it.
Interesting how the two Talibans, theirs and ours, work in concert without having to communicate.
yea Froth, I know. You liberals are such well known military strategerists.
Remember the whole : We can never win in Iraq….we’re doomed. The surge won’t work. It will be a disaster….blah blah blah.
I am sure the Taliban’s spirit will be broken when they get to worship (and swim!) a block from Ground Zero…..as they are pondering the “tolerance” (do you think that is how they see it?) of the Americans.
You know what? You guys are right!
I want to start a petition to demand that any and all women approaching Ground Zero wear a hijab. And I think we should get one of those poles with shackles on them, so we can stone the infidels right there! We’ll show those cave dwellers tolerance all right…..
THAT should earn us some Taliban Brownie Points, eh boys?!
“InverseLiberal” has always struck me as a terribly appropriate name for someone who clearly is opposed to the proposition that all men are created equal, and believes that government of the people should never be conducted by the people, and holds the rights of the individual in as little regard as he does the general welfare.
But you are not a bigot, inverselib. No siree, not at all. Wow.
You know what? You guys are right!
Indeed.
Hole’s not getting any smaller is it, inverseliberal? Oh well, maybe you should keep digging. Ever get around to reading the post, by the by?
You liberals are such well known military strategerists.
This liberal did a hitch in the Army. You didn’t, which is why you are “inverse.”
You liberals are such well known military strategerists.
Happy anniversary (a few days ago), dipshit.
See, this is fantastic —
IL is actually asserting that if we don’t continue to get all angry at muslims trying to build mosques all over the place, that the terrorists have won.
Right? Like 3,000 people died and we’ve fought two wars so that IL can talk shit about muslims. As far as he’s concerned, that’s what this has all been for. If we stop hating muslims, the terrorists win.
It is, without question, completely fucking insane.
You liberals are such well known military strategerists.
There was never any doubt that we could easily crush the Iraqi Army (military strategy). The questions were,”is it a good idea to attack Iraq, and is Iraq a credibile threat?” which are political, not military considerations. For having the gall to point out that Iraq isn’t much of a threat to us, and that attacking Iraq might not be such a good idea, we were labled traitors by your ilk.
Meanwhile, you are playing right into the hands of the terrorists by making this into some kind of “clash of civilizations and religions.”
Heckuvajob there.
Does it make you guys feel better to make up things? I know it is easier to argue a point if you make inaccurate assertions about the other guys argument, but I have never said a word about getting angry about building mosques all over the place.
A simple common sense statement: If you are trying to promote understanding about someone else, why deliberately, and for no good reason, piss them off while doing it?
The usual suspects here are dull with there constant whining about racism. It is a cheap way to try to win an argument that you are losing, a last act of desperation.
Oh, that and Repack constantly referring to his two years as a junior enlisted draftee. Now that the military is popular again. I would give a bunch of money to have been a fly on the wall when he came back from the ‘Nam talking shit about the army then….But now, the guy is Captain America…..
First sentence in comment:
Does it make you guys feel better to make up things?
Penultimate sentence:
I would give a bunch of money to have been a fly on the wall when he came back from the ‘Nam talking shit about the army then….
Stay classy.
“constant whining about racism”
Yeah. There’s no racism anymore, you dummies!
Indeed, lets ask Repack how much shit he talked about the army since his enlistment was up shall we? I am willing to bet he didn’t mention his draft stint in the army much prior to 2001, and when he did, he made sure everyone knew he was drafted.
There is racism all over the place….look at all the people on this site talking about how evil the Jooos are. It is simply that I am not a racist, nor are my arguments racist. You morons use racism as a cudgel to attempt to squelch dissent against your own points of view….which is the last act of a man desperate to win an argument that he cannot win by his wits alone.
A simple common sense statement: If you are trying to promote understanding about someone else, why deliberately, and for no good reason, piss them off while doing it?
The implication you’re making is that there is a deliberate effort by Park51′s developers to piss people off. Evidence please?
Community centers are designed to serve communities. Placing a community center meant to serve the Tribeca community out in Queens makes no sense. There are churches and synagogs closer to the WTC site than the proposed Park 51 development serving their respective communities. SO why not Park51? And why would you persue an agenda that is driving people into the Taliban’s eager hands?
It is simply that I am not a racist, nor are my arguments racist.
Equating all Muslims to the fucking Taliban is racist.
You morons use racism as a cudgel to attempt to squelch dissent against your own points of view
No, we call out people who are behaving like racists. Just because it is so rampant on your side doesn’t mean that it isn’t worth calling out. If you oppose the Cordoba House, you’re a fucking bigot, or at the least an apologist for bigots. There’s no good reason to oppose it. None. All you guys have is a fucking weak appeal to popularity and the fact that it’s the Mooooslims, oh noes!
It is a cheap way to try to win an argument that you are losing, a last act of desperation.
Dude. You’re arguing that building a muslim community center two blocks from ground zero will put on the path to public stonings. You’re attacking the religious dress code of observant muslims but remain silent on the religious dress codes of Orthodox Jews or other orthodox religions.
You’re a racist buffoon and you were from the very beginning of your “argument.”
Cordoba was the spanish city that was conquered by the muslims, and used to spread Islam throughout Europe….Coincidence that the ground zero mosque is named after this city?
Currently there is a mosque and community center less than a block away, perhaps this cordoba house would be better placed a bit further from the current one?
Cordoba was the spanish city that was conquered by the muslims, and used to spread Islam throughout Europe….Coincidence that the ground zero mosque is named after this city?
To repeat an earlier question of mine: Who gives a fuck? What the hell does it matter?
Currently there is a mosque and community center less than a block away, perhaps this cordoba house would be better placed a bit further from the current one?
Like Tennessee, perhaps? Also, the nearby mosque/community center is not sufficient to meet the Muslim community’s needs – people sometimes have to worship on the sidewalk rather than being able to come into the center.
You know what, fuck you. You don’t get to decide this anyway. You’re a fucking bigot and a tool. Give one good reason that they shouldn’t build it there. One reason that’s not couched in anti-Islamic bigotry or appeals to popularity. Then maybe I’ll think you have something worthwhile to say.
Ummm, no. There was no “Spain” or “Spanish” at the time the calipith was established. Cordoba was a Roman city captured by the Visigoths and then a short time later captured by a Muslim army, and administered by them for around 500 years, during which it became one of the largest cities in Europe and a center of learning and finance with one of the largest libraries then in existence. The Great Mosque of Cordoba wasn’t built until some two centuries after Islamic control was established, so your attempt to equate Park51 with some mythical “victory mosque” fails.
No, the mosque was built for 200 years after the muslims captured the city. The mosque was built on a Visigoth Christian church…..
But hey, what are little things like “facts” between friends right?
Froth:
The Great Mosque of Cordoba wasn’t built until some two centuries after Islamic control was established.
IL:
No, the mosque was built for 200 years after the muslims captured the city.
I don’t think IL is disagreeing with anything unless he is implying that it took the caliphate 200 years to build the mosque.
Regardless, they’ve stopped calling it Cordoba House because of the understanding that it was needlessly provocative. The same way, for example, that the operations in Afghanistan post-9/11 were renamed “Enduring Freedom” instead of “Infinite Justice” because the latter needlessly provoked our Northern Alliance cohorts.
But then again, you’re still calling it the “Ground Zero Mosque,” IL, which shows us nothing except that you’re not interested in honest discussion.
Currently there is a mosque and community center less than a block away, perhaps this cordoba house would be better placed a bit further from the current one?
Gosh, that sort of contradicts the earlier talking point that there is no muslim community in the area to serve, doesn’t it?
And it’s fascinating that we’re not supposed to care what the contemporary Taliban think about this controversy (and I don’t think we should really give what they say too much weight) but we need to be incredibly sensitive to something that happened in Spain over 1200 years ago.
So how about the gender-biased dress codes of Orthodox Jews, IL? Anything to say about that?
il, you also know under the caliphate, Christians and Jews were allowed to openly practice their religions, right? And you also know that after the Christian Iberian kingdoms of Castile and Aragon managed to unite the Iberian pennisula, non-Christians were forcibly converted, expelled, or executed, right?
Today’s must, must reading.
Judea Pearl, father of Daniel Pearl
“Undercurrents below the Ground Zero mosque”
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=186290
Which shows that the right wing is *not* interested in promoting understanding about Muslims, which is why they set out to deliberately, for no good reason, piss off a bunch of peaceful Muslims who weren’t hurting anyone.
Froth says:
“l, you also know under the caliphate, Christians and Jews were allowed to openly practice their religions, right”
That is entirely likely….1200 years ago. Try building a jewish temple in Mecca. Hell, try being a jew and WALKING INTO Mecca.
I don’t have any great love for any religious practices Farf….I am not trying to prevent people from doing it, but I don’t have to support it either. I am not the one who is busy defending Sharia law here….the lefties are.
The American Muslim leadership has had nine years to build up trust by taking proactive steps against the spread of anti-American terror-breeding ideologies, here and abroad.
And when American Muslim leaders do exactly that, its always decried as not good enough by wingnuttia.
Try building a jewish temple in Mecca.
Are there any Jews in Mecca that would need a temple, in the same way that there are Muslims in NYC that would need a community center?
Hell, try being a jew and WALKING INTO Mecca.
And yes, we should take all our cues about religious tolerance and diversity from Saudi Arabia. Good point.
I am not the one who is busy defending Sharia law here….the lefties are.
Yep, I would love to be able to stone people to death in the public square. Man, I can’t wait until that Islamic community center gets built, and then we can go around subjugating women and cutting off peoples’ hands. That’s going to be so great for us liberals.
You’re a fucking clown.
Did I miss where the Imam Rauf spoke out against Hamas, Sharia law and explained where he was getting his funding, Ol’ Froth? Did that not make it all the way to google?
fake troll performance art
I’ve gotten that feeling here before too. But then I check out wingnut blogs comments, which are a treasure trove of skewed and atrophied reasoning and emoting. The regular trolls here really are the cream of the crop.
If average Moslems perceive the Park 51 opposition as free speech, there’ll be some respect for that. “That’s America”, they’ll say.
But if average Moslems perceive the Park 51 opposition as bullying, negative perceptions of America will reinforced. America is not at war with “Islamofascism”, but all of Islam. And our people overseas will have it that much harder.
But I guess in wingnuttia, John Wayne always wins and Sun Tzu was some Chinese guy. Plus John Wayne played Genghis Khan so there.
Here be some links to Muslim leadership speaking out against terror.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa2.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa1.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa3.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa4.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter16.htm
But I guess in wingnuttia, John Wayne always wins and Sun Tzu was some Chinese guy. Plus John Wayne played Genghis Khan so there.
That actually made me laugh, timmy. Mainly because I saw that movie not that long ago flipping through channels and thought to myself, “WTF?”.
I am not the one who is busy defending Sharia law here….the lefties are.
But you are, in fact, actively arguing that a muslim community center should not be built near ground zero because its organizers believe that muslim women should be required to wear headscarves as a sign of modesty. And you equate this with supporting the horror of stoning.
And yet you refuse to say anything about the building of orthodox jewish schools or temples, even though you know full well, that orthodox judaism requires married women to cover their hair as a sign of modesty. Which is still, believing that your moral outrage has some consistency, just as bad as public stoning.
If we allow orthodox jews to continue to force their married women to wear wigs and headscarves in public, are we not on a slippery slope towards government enforced kosher dietary restrictions?
19 orthodox jews didn’t fly a planes into buildings and kill 3000 people. It has nothing to do with headscarves, or yarmulkes or any other crazy idea YOU have.
I am clear:
I don’t care if they build a mosque, don’t build it right next to where a bunch of Isalmic nutjobs killed 3000 people.
Frankly, I’m tired of this discussion. IL, you’re an unpatriotic, unamerican fraidy-cat. You have no idea what the whole National Experiment is all about, but the long and short of it is that we’re a society that doesn’t give a shit what you think about other people’s religion.
Let me be clear: the fact that your BS doesn’t matter is *precisely* what makes America great. Not ‘part of’, not ‘related to’ — what makes America great is that your hateful bullshit simply doesn’t matter here.
Can we stop defending the Constitution from this asshole now?
19 orthodox jews didn’t fly a planes into buildings and kill 3000 people.
Neither did 19 Sufi Muslims.
I don’t care if they build a mosque, don’t build it right next to where a bunch of Isalmic nutjobs killed 3000 people.
Well, that’s good then, because the community center isn’t “right next to” the WTC site. It’s 2.5 blocks away.
And, btw, Sharia law as practiced by most Sufis bears as much resemblance to Wahhabism as Southern Baptists do to the UCC.
I am clear
:ly a bigoted assholeFTFY.
I don’t care if they build a mosque, don’t build it right next to where a bunch of Isalmic nutjobs killed 3000 people.
Why does it matter? Why does it matter that it’s proposed to be built two blocks away from Ground Zero? I still haven’t seen a reasonable answer to this question.
Looks like
“Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.”
was Dubya gaffe-code for
“Our enemy is Islam, traditional airplane hijackers!”
Why does it matter? Why does it matter that it’s proposed to be built two blocks away from Ground Zero? I still haven’t seen a reasonable answer to this question.
There is only one reasonable answer: because the well-funded right-wing noise machine will manufacture and flog any issue whatsoever if they think it will advance their ‘Obama/dems are weak on terrah!’ meme.
Is our googlers learning?
Why does it matter? Why does it matter that it’s proposed to be built two blocks away from Ground Zero? I still haven’t seen a reasonable answer to this question.
Daniel Pearl’s father answers that question. He should be afforded the very same absolute moral authority you afforded Cindy Sheehan, no?
No Dennis, he most certainly doesn’t answer that question, as his answer isn’t reasonable in any sense.
“Hamas is both a political movement and a terrorist organization.”
It’s like asking an Irish Catholic if Sinn Fein is a terrorist organization. It isn’t but there are/were elements within it who are/were associated with the IRA and support the IRAs tactics.
It’s not that the question isn’t legitimate, it’s that the answer isn’t “Yes” or “No.”
Of course, conservative morons will keep demanding “Yes” or “No” answers to complex questions because they really just want to play gotcha games and stoke irrational fear and hatred. They couldn’t give a fuck about reality.
19 orthodox jews didn’t fly a planes into buildings and kill 3000 people. It has nothing to do with headscarves, or yarmulkes or any other crazy idea YOU have.
That’s funny, because the people who want to build Park 51 didn’t fly planes into buildings and kill 3000 peole either.
And if it has nothing to with headscarves, why do you keep bringing it up?
Oh right, because you really couldn’t give a shit about
feminism, freedom or person liberty. You just want to bash on mulims.
You keep saying that calling you a racist is a sign that were losing the argument. You know what’s a better sign of losing an argument?
When someone has to keep changing their supposedly substantive points again and again in order to ignore the huge inconsistencies and contradictions in their reasoning.
Yeah, because building a community center is *just like* killing scores of thousands of people in warfare.
Well, that’s good then, because the community center isn’t “right next to” the WTC site. It’s 2.5 blocks away.
And, btw, Sharia law as practiced by most Sufis bears as much resemblance to Wahhabism as Southern Baptists do to the UCC.
You act as thought the facts matter.
Did anyone ever determine how far away from Ground Zero would be acceptable for a community center with a prayer room run by dude* entrusted by the Bush Administration and the FBI? One is curious.
.
.
*I’m not sure if this matters, but at least one prominent Tea Party leader claims–among other things–that the dude in question prays to a “monkey god.”
What’s the Muslimese word for “word”?
Daniel Pearl’s father answers that question.
If there was any evidence to support the idea that he’s actually correct, I’d love to see it. However, I think it’s much more likely that his commentary is an entirely post-hoc rationalization.
If you think the typical protestor has a view this nuanced, I have a bridge to sell you. If they were that thoughtful about their opposition, they wouldn’t be screaming things like “OMG it’s a victory mosque!”
Daniel Pearl’s father answers that question. He should be afforded the very same absolute moral authority you afforded Cindy Sheehan, no?
He is, which is to say no absolute moral authority at all. One feels for both and sympathizes with their losses, of course, but their arguments have to stand on their merits. No matter how eloquent and thoughtful his words he is merely putting lipstick on the pigs of prejudice and discrimination.
Here in America we don’t penalize one group because it shares a broad religious designation (and nothng else) with another that did something wrong. That happens in countries without a constitution and without a belief in equal rights, equal protection under the law, and freedom of religion.
Oh dear, dear. We’re back on the Rauf-supports-Sharia nonsense, are we?
I got no takers last time I posed this one. Let’s try again:
What country does Feisal Rauf hold up as the best model of sharia conformant government? What country does he want the nations of the world to emulate?
Anyone?
OHOHOHOH I KNOW!! I KNOW!!! MR. KOTTEEEEERRRR!!!!
Here in America we don’t penalize one group because it shares a broad religious designation (and nothng else) with another that did something wrong. That happens in countries without a constitution and without a belief in equal rights, equal protection under the law, and freedom of religion.
Correct. Conservatives, feel free to move to Saudi Arabia. Enjoy it. It seems to be more up your alley than America, anyhow.
What country does Feisal Rauf hold up as the best model of sharia conformant government? What country does he want the nations of the world to emulate?
Isn’t it Islamofascististan?
And the people of Iraq…REALLY bummed with this whole free society, elections thing.
Yup, they’re just exploding with joy.
No..wait…those are actual explosions. Nevermind.
Shorter Dennis: It’s their fault we’re bigots.
A simple common sense statement: If you are trying to promote understanding about someone else, why deliberately, and for no good reason, piss them off while doing it?
Because if they already liked you, it would render the promotion of understanding pointless?
It is simply that I am not a racist, nor are my arguments racist.
And yet when I ask what arguments you guys have that AREN’T rooted in bigotry or logical fallacies, I’m met with silence. Wonder why?
19 orthodox jews didn’t fly a planes into buildings and kill 3000 people.
No, but one did kill a head of state.
The Bill of Rights is not a series of suggestions re: right to worship.
Republicans should move to Iran is they want to impose restrictions on what American citizens do with their first amendment rights. They’d be much happier in a living, breathing theocracy.
These are the people who want to build the community center.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism
What does Osma bin Laden think of them?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jihadists-v-sufis
Why are conservatives such treasonous pieces of shit?
Hey, IL, you didn’t tell us that you were interviewed by a news site.
Hey, IL, you didn’t tell us that you were interviewed by a news site.
It’s funny ’cause it’s true! As the kids like to say, read the whole thing. Per usual, astoundingly accurate.
Sufism? That Moslems and Wikipedia would distort that the Hawaiians actually invented sufism, is further proof of liberal bias and that Obama is a flocking liar.
(SaveFarris called in sick and I’m subbing again.)
What a great find, elspi.
Great job, wingnuts. Keep on slamming folks like Rauf while asking “Where are all the moderate Muslims? Why won’t they speak up?”
Great job, wingnuts. Keep on slamming folks like Rauf while asking “Where are all the moderate Muslims? Why won’t they speak up?”
Yeah, but…
Too much. Too much perspective.
Indeed, lets ask Repack how much shit he talked about the army since his enlistment was up shall we? I am willing to bet he didn’t mention his draft stint in the army much prior to 2001, and when he did, he made sure everyone knew he was drafted.
Although I opposed the Vietnam war, I was proud of my service, which was honorable if not heroic. I never made any secret of my service, even though in 1968 I was in hippie central, San Francisco, roadying for a rock band and protesting the war, while working alongside an ex-Marine and two other ex-Army. Because every young man served then, I knew plenty of other raging liberals like myself who were also vets.
Trust me, everyone who knows anything about me is aware that I served in the Army, and that has been the case since the day I took off the uniform WITH THE E-5 STRIPES. Most of the photos taken of me in the ’70s show me wearing one of my old fatigue shirts. Why on earth would I hide something I’m proud of, and that gives me ultimate FU rights to the chickenhawks who wanted other people to die in Iraq?
Thanks for asking.
A liberal in the military? That’s unpossible!
A liberal in the military? That’s unpossible!
We can’t even be patriotic, so how on Earth could we fight and die for our country?
Indeed, lets ask Repack how much shit he talked about the army since his enlistment was up shall we? I am willing to bet he didn’t mention his draft stint in the army much prior to 2001, and when he did, he made sure everyone knew he was drafted.
Looks like Repack was the bigger person and went ahead and answered your insane question. Here’s one for you: Why the fuck would it matter? Why the need to make unfounded personal attacks? Do you feel any shame now that Repack answered you, showing you to be wrong? I am willing to bet you are not especially familiar with that emotion.
look at all the people on this site talking about how evil the Jooos are.
What the hell are you talking about?
It is simply that I am not a racist, nor are my arguments racist.
Are you sure? Doesn’t everybody say that? For which of your arguments were you accused of racism? What do your black friends think of your arguments? Your Muslim friends?
You morons use racism as a cudgel to attempt to squelch dissent against your own points of view….which is the last act of a man desperate to win an argument that he cannot win by his wits alone.
Shame on anyone who falsely uses racism as a verbal cudgel because they cannot argue their case. Who are the “morons” who do that in these precincts, by the way? Specific examples would be helpful. Are any accusations of racism accurate? Mark Williams seems kind of racially insensitive, for example.
There is racism all over the place….
Boy howdy!
Back then, liberals knew that “the man” wasn’t just the government, but could be anybody who used and abused good people to advance themselves. Ironic that Rauf might be a sort of John Galt.
“Remember the whole : We can never win in Iraq….we’re doomed. The surge won’t work. It will be a disaster….blah blah blah.”
Oh, and we won in Iraq? Come again. It is a fucking disaster and will be for decades. No victors there, just a collection failures. Man, you’ve been seriously H/sanitized.
We didn’t. We made a hash of things. Eventually, as is common in human societies, things got better for the Iraqis. That’s not “winning” that’s watching people recover from the mess we made.
Seriously, the people who want to declare Iraq a victory remind me of a surgeon who leaves a surgical instrument in the patient, opens the patient up again to remove it, and then declares that this is a surgical “win” because, look, both incisions have healed up, and the patient appears healthy.