Fox News: Lets Get A Child Abuser To Blame Teen Pregnancy On Teaching Evolution
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When they do things like this I almost feel as if Fox News is working on the liberal side. It’s that ridiculously over the top right-wing, it can’t be real.
You would think.
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It’s good that the interviewer cut him off, but still… having that jackass on in the first place is a major problem. So, Team Stupid or Team Evil?
Fox is WorldNetDaily TV
Fox hosted the same Enyart who read the obituaries of gay AIDS victims live on his former T.V. show while playing the song “Another One Bites the Dust.
The supreme magnitude of douchebaggery it takes to not only use this song for its surface lyrical content, but also for the added layer of it having been sung by a gay AIDS victim…there’s no other word for it than “impressive”. If this guy never won an Olbermann Worst Person award, then a great injustice has been done.
And yet, you seem to be a fan of Fox news a few posts done when they asked Glenn Beck some tough questions. Imagine, Media Matters quoting Fox news reporting in a positive light!
It’s almost like Fox doesn’t have an agenda or something, but wants to report the news!
Will wonders never cease
i.l. I bet you’re the kind of person who, when he finds a rabbit turd in a bag of M&M’s, goes ahead and eats the rabbit turd because, after all, it was in the M&M’s bag.
Wasn’t Jesus’ mom a teen mother?
And yet, you seem to be a fan of Fox news a few posts done when they asked Glenn Beck some tough questions.
The paragons of your party claim that “What do you read?” is a tough question.
And wait, are we back to “FOX has no agenda?” A few weeks ago, when they donated a million bucks to the GOP, the spin was “Look how honest they are about their agenda!”
Fox didn’t donate anything. How many votes does Rupert Murdoch have? One.
88% of donations from CBSNBCABC employees went to democrats
Thunder-smears are go.
There actually is an argument to be made for the diminishing of the value of life, when abortion is rampant, child care is relegated to institutions, euthanasia is being advocated, and murderers don’t get the death penalty *.
* There is now research that indicates that clemency and shortened life sentences have been responsible for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, making the State our most callous murderer. But, please rave on about FOX News.
There actually is an argument to be made for the diminishing of the value of life when abortion is rampant, child care is relegated to institutions
Ok, then I suppose you’re in favor of mandatory sex ed and birth control for high school students right? Because kids fuck all the time and they don’t think about the consequences, whether or not conservatives think they should or should not.
euthanasia is being advocated
People can make up their own minds on when and if to end their lives if they are suffering from some awful fucking disease, and no bible pounding moralist asshole or Bill Frist should have any part of a private, personal decision.
Clearly the lower teen pregnancy rates in Western Europe are the result of their having mandated the teaching of creationism and intelligent design in their schools. In France, for example, they teach the children that after Adam and Eve made love, they shared a cigarette as each discussed their admiration for Johnny Halliday. This was followed by additional love making, then the revelation that Eve was going to leave Adam for the Serpent. Cut to a final scene where Adam morosely sits at the kitchen table with a 1,000 yard stare and a lit cigarette between his nicotine-stained fingers as a steaming cup of coffee awaits the fate that haunts us all.
There is now research that indicates that clemency and shortened life sentences have been responsible for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of deaths,
That sounds like very interesting research. Would you happen to know where I could read more about it?
There actually is an argument to be made for the diminishing of the value of life, when abortion is rampant, child care is relegated to institutions, euthanasia is being advocated, and murderers don’t get the death penalty *.
Perhaps there is, but no one in OW’s post or in this comment thread has made that argument, Frank. Brother Enyart blames it on teaching evolution.
You got any thoughts on that?
Frank Deodorant Spray:
Every hear of a guy named Blackstone(he wasn’t a magician)?:
What the heck is a “shortened life sentence?” Is that like a “warm coldness?” A life sentence in prison is just that…a sentence for life. By definition, it’s not the kind of prison sentence that can be “shortened.”
What the heck is a “shortened life sentence?” Is that like a “warm coldness?” A life sentence in prison is just that…a sentence for life. By definition, it’s not the kind of prison sentence that can be “shortened.”
Well, that’s kind of what the death penalty does.
And why am I not surprised that Frank has come to defend a child abuser?
There is now research that indicates that clemency and shortened life sentences have been responsible for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, making the State our most callous murderer.
Of course, asking for a cite would be like pulling teeth, so why bother?
Knowing Frank it’s probably from the same “researchers” who gave us “Global Warming is a Fraud” and “Evolution is a Hoax”, so it ought to be good for a few giggles.
Frank DiSalle: There actually is an argument to be made for the diminishing of the value of life, when abortion is rampant, child care is relegated to institutions, euthanasia is being advocated, and murderers don’t get the death penalty
One can make an argument about anything. There’s an argument to be made for keeping people as slaves having a distinct benefit to the overall economy or for the abolition of the senior Catholic hierarchy because of the recent child molestation scandals. So just saying “there’s an argument to be made for…” is meaningless; it adds no moral validity or factual support to anything that follows.
when abortion is rampant
“Rampant”? Hardly a specific term so it’s really difficult to get what you’re saying. Even in relative terms, “after reaching a high of over 1.6 million in 1990, the number of abortions annually performed in the U.S. has dropped back to levels not seen since the late 1970s.” [www.christianliferesources.com/?/library/view.php&articleid=1042] So were one to accept your claim that the value of life is tied to the abortion rate (note: I don’t), then a similar level of logic would lead one to conclude life has been getting more valued for the last 20 years.
And just looking at the overall number of abortions performed doesn’t take into account the circumstances of those abortions, the value of the mother’s lives that may have been saved (in all the ways that “saved” could be used depending on a woman’s circumstances), the number of women killed or damaged prior to abortions being legal, etc.
Just saying, essentially, “OMG! Abortions!” really isn’t making much of an argument.
child care is relegated to institutions
Again, just what the hell are you trying to say? Are parents no longer allowed to raise their children in their own homes? When did that law get passed. Are you referring to people who use daycare? Then explain what is inherently wrong with daycare.
You haven’t made any argument to show that care is in fact “relegated” to institutions or that, if it were, it’s damaging.
(In fact, over the past 20 years the percent of children in center-based care is down and the percent being cared for by family is up.) [www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/famsoc3.asp]
euthanasia is being advocated
In the sense that people should be killed against their will? Who is advocating that?
In the sense that people should be allowed to die at a time an manner of their choosing? How is that not actually a demonstration for an increasing of the value placed on life? Is it really better to strive to keep someone alive but in pain; is that showing a respect for life?
Individual cases will vary, of course, but those who have the option to discontinue care, to give up on attmepts to preserve their lives, tend to have “better” lives. And longer ones, too. [www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/02/100802fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=9]
It is prolonging pain and occupying every waking moment with the treatments, tests and largely pointless procedures that actually shows a diminishing value of life.
and murderers don’t get the death penalty
We must demonstrate the high value we place on life by killing people? Really?
I read an article that had figures for years of commuted sentences, and “shortened” life sentences. What is a shortened life sentence? Are you kidding? You mean you are not aware that prisoners who are sentenced to life in prison often are released long before their life is over?
I will find the article , it was a two parter.
I took a stab at it already, but I will try again.
The basic premise was that second murders (i.e., murders committed by released murders) were rising at an alarming rate. I will find it.
Not really surprised by this, FOX News is pushing the US toward idiocracy(if we arent there already). Facts, who needs em. Vetting guests, bah. Reporting without bias, huh?
I have found the article … I thought I posted the links , and they are not there .
I will try again
Abortions and murders both reached a per-capita peak toward the end of the Reagan/Bush era, suggesting that if anything makes life cheap it’s horse-and-sparrow economics. One might add to that a healthcare system that dispenses life-saving care on the basis of profit, hurling young men and women into the maw of battle, dropping bombs on cities with children in them, cavalierly despoiling the environment that our babies have to grow up in, and dozens of other things that right-wingers love. Life is sacred to wingnuts while you’re still in the womb and after you’re braindead. In between you’re own your own.
Frank I think I figured out that the system doesn’t like plain URL’s, but if you put the URL in ‘a’ tags it works. Maybe that’s the problem.
The comment didn’t even post at all
The Title of the article is The Sinister Secret of Abolitionists, and can be easily found with any search engine.
Yep, I tried posting the URL in ‘a’ tags and even that got swallowed into a black hole somewhere. Anyhow it is easy to find, and it is, in fact, a colostomy bag of an article – incoherent rage wrapped in a veneer of specious statistics. But I have to go to work now, so more later.
Frank, I slogged through that article, and I think I’m now stupider for reading it. WHat a hash of nonsensical writing and conclusions extrapolated from some rather dubious statistics.
Who knew, I thought I opposed the death penalty, but I’m actually for it. For the innocent, no less! I love me some killed innocent people, just makes my day.
The death penalty is frowned upon by the Catholic Chuch, it’s funny how the sermons we’ve been treated to by Archbishop J. Fulton DeSalle don’t mention that little fact, nor the one about it not being a deterrence:
Amnesty USA link
Graph
Ever hear of Sister Helen Prejean, Frank?
She also won the following:
The Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award is a Catholic peace award which has been given annually since 1964, in commemoration of the 1963 Encyclical letter “Pacem in Terris” (Peace on Earth) of Pope John XXIII.[1]
The award was begun, in 1963, by the Davenport Catholic Interracial Council[1] of the Diocese of Davenport in the U.S. state of Iowa. Since 1976, the award has been presented each year by the Quad Cities Pacem in Terris Coalition. In 2005, the coalition consisted of the Diocese of Davenport, St. Ambrose University, Augustana College, Churches United of the Quad-Cities, and the Congregation of the Humility of Mary.
Six recipients[2] have also received a Nobel Peace Prize.
and I close with a few lines from the Irish playwrght G. B. Shaw’s The Devils’ Disciple:
RICHARD. Answer for your own will, sir, and those of your accomplices here (indicating Burgoyne and Swindon): I see little divinity about them or you. You talk to me of Christianity when you are in the act of hanging your enemies. Was there ever such blasphemous nonsense! (To Swindon, more rudely) You’ve got up the solemnity of the occasion, as you call it, to impress the people with your own dignity—Handel’s music and a clergyman to make murder look like piety! Do you suppose I am going to help you? You’ve asked me to choose the rope because you don’t know your own trade well enough to shoot me properly. Well, hang away and have done with it.
SWINDON (to the chaplain). Can you do nothing with him, Mr. Brudenell?
CHAPLAIN. I will try, sir. (Beginning to read) Man that is born of woman hath—
RICHARD (fixing his eyes on him). “Thou shalt not kill.”
The book drops in Brudenell’s hands.
First world countries that don’t have the death penalty generally have a lower rate of murder than ours. Now I’m not quite the statistical slut that the author of Frank’s article is, so I’m not going to posit a direct causality between those two data. But it should at least make us stop and think about what it does to the general view of the “sanctity of life” when the government sees killing people as a means of solving problems.
D A , you sure take the cake when it comes to melodrama, but the Catholic Church’s position is pretty the same as its position on war : We really wish you didn’t have to.
But that is apples to oranges to my point. The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally – if we are just another animal with a cortex, then why control our own behavior?
Wanna have a baby? Have it!
Change your mind after you’re pregnant? Not a problem!
Granny’s getting tired of being sick, and feeling guilty about her suicidal thoughts? Fuhgeddaboudit, Granny! Off yourself and do us all a favor!
You wanna kill somebody ? Go ahead ! You’ll be out in 14 years – which is what you actually serve on a life sentence if you have good behavior …
If you get the death penalty ? 11 years on Death Row average , and possible clemency when the Governor leaves office.
Oh, yeah! Lots of reverence for life …
Ummm…the Catholic Church’s position on the death penalty is a pretty much unequivical “NO.”
We are not descended from animals, we ARE animals. Animals with the ability to think and reason, to be sure, and that’s why we control our behavior. As an atheist, I do the right thing because it is the right thing to do, not because of an expectation of some reward after I’m dead for being good, or punishment for being bad.
The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally – if we are just another animal with a cortex, then why control our own behavior?
As Froth points out, we are not descended from animals, we ARE animals in every sense of the word that counts. We have evolved over billions of years from less complex but equally successful life forms. Apparently reality is too much for you, but evolution is as much of a fact as the color of the sky is blue. You might as well say that the color of the sky leads to social breakdown, and you would receive the same lack of respect for your lunacy.
We are, in fact social animals, similar to wolves or prairie dogs, and social animals have evolved behavioral limits that allow them to live in closer proximity than solitary animals. When social animals violate the limitations that allow them to live in such close company, the rest of their society acts to control that behavior. The alpha wolves will trounce the betas to let everyone else know who is making decisions, because wolves do not live in a democracy.
Human society is denser and more complex than that of any other social animal, and the natural limits that we observe in the settings we evolved in, i.e. tribes of a few dozen where everyone knew everyone else’s business, are no longer possible. Now we write down extremely complex sets of social rules that we call laws.
Anyone who does not know these things demonstrates the failure of their local school system. Mine did not fail me.
D A , you sure take the cake when it comes to melodrama,
It’s too bad Shaw didn’t have someone with your genius at invective and insults to help punch up his plays, he might’ve ended up with 2 Nobel Prizes instead of 1.
My mother witnessed a Chinese guerrilla fighter being beaten to death in a Japanese Imperial Army civilian prison camp, perhaps in my family we take issues of life and death more seriously than you do.
I’ve volunteered in the Barnes Hospital ER, St. Louis, MO. when I was less than half my present age. I’ve seen people pronounced dead after a 10-minute attempt at resuscitation, I’ve seen alcoholics in convulsions due to hypoglycemia, I’ve seen stuff that would make you want to puke, shit, and run away at the same time.
Save your tough-guy act for someone who doesn’t know you like I do.
Anyhoo, you’re so much of a drama queen compared to me that when you throw one of your patented hissy fits here I look like the construction worker from The Village People by comparison.
But that is apples to oranges to my point. The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally – if we are just another animal with a cortex, then why control our own behavior?
Some Mistakes of Moses:
Wanna have a baby? Have it!
Change your mind after you’re pregnant? Not a problem!
No, better to let others decide what women do with their bodies, like back in the good old days when women would die of septic abortions.
Granny’s getting tired of being sick, and feeling guilty about her suicidal thoughts? Fuhgeddaboudit, Granny! Off yourself and do us all a favor!
No, you get a priest to terrify her with visions of hell if she isn’t willing to stoically put up with pain and suffering and watch her family see her go through through said torments.
Oh, yeah, Grandma, don’t move to Oregon:
You wanna kill somebody ? Go ahead ! You’ll be out in 14 years – which is what you actually serve on a life sentence if you have good behavior …
Except in Southern states, by that reasoning there should be fewer, not more murders in states where the DP is a possibility, funny how you don’t want to talk about that, isn’t it?
If you get the death penalty ? 11 years on Death Row average , and possible clemency when the Governor leaves office.
Oh, yeah! Lots of reverence for life …
Thanks for bringing fine-tuned, well-reasoned arguments to the table
when you finally get around to doing so.
Turns out Frank Deodorant Spray is more Catholic than the Pope!:
“The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally”
Wait, every time you hear an idea, you have to act on it, Frank? Many, you’re a fucking train wreck. Did you know that heroin makes you feel good? There’s an idea, one which I assume now means you’re going to go buy some heroin.
I’m not going to waste anyone’s time with a list of atrocities perpetrated by people who didn’t know we are descended from other animals but starting with everything evil done prior to 24 November 1859 gives you a good sense of how stupid this argument is.
Wanna have a baby? Have it!
Change your mind after you’re pregnant? Not a problem!
Freedom is like that sometimes.
QiB, exactly — we’re supposed to just take this as a terrible outcome. Sort of illustrates a failure to think outside of one’s head.
Frank DiSalle: the Catholic Church’s position is pretty the same as its position on war : We really wish you didn’t have to.
Why isn’t it “Thou shalt not kill.” period?
Frank DiSalle: The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally …
Oh, please.
Really, frank. You should try to rein in your hysteria. Abortion is “rampant”, children are “relegated” to institutions, murder is rising at an “alarming” rate, an idea (that’s been around for over a century) “can’t help” but . So hyperbolic and unsupportable.
… – if we are just another animal with a cortex, then why control our own behavior?
Because one should strive to be better.
You can accept responsibility for your actions. You can say “This is where I started, and I’m going to move in a better way because I have that power and I make that choice.”
Or, you can claim it’s all out of your hands. That who and what you are is all in the hands of some other power, that it’s their responsibility (fault) that you are what you are.
I wonder which of those the “conservative” people-should-pull-themselves-up-by-their-own-bootstraps hypocrites subscribe to.
Frank DiSalle: The idea that we are descended from animals can’t help but affect us morally …
Oh, please.
Really, frank. You should try to rein in your hysteria. Abortion is “rampant”, children are “relegated” to institutions, murder is rising at an “alarming” rate, an idea (that’s been around for over a century) “can’t help” but affect morality. So hyperbolic and unsupportable.
… – if we are just another animal with a cortex, then why control our own behavior?
Because one should strive to be better.
You can accept responsibility for your actions. You can say “This is where I started, and I’m going to move in a better way because I have that power and I make that choice.”
Or, you can claim it’s all out of your hands. That who and what you are is all in the hands of some other power, that it’s their responsibility (fault) that you are what you are.
I wonder which of those the “conservative” people-should-pull-themselves-up-by-their-own-bootstraps hypocrites subscribe to.