CBO: Health Care Reform “Repeal” Would Add $455 Billion To Deficit
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Of course, such projections are mostly moot because outside of election year flim-flammery the GOP has no real intention to repeal health care reform.
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Of course, such projections are mostly moot because outside of election year flim-flammery the GOP has no real intention to repeal health care reform.
Nor does the GOP really care about lowering the deficit. (See also: Tax cuts for Paris Hilton et al.)
So what if they’re lying? It polls well!
I’m with the GOP: repeal that monstrosity and start from scratch.
The wage earners, poor, middle class, seniors, teachers will be thankful in the not-too-distant future.
I’m with the GOP: repeal that monstrosity and start from scratch.
Start over? Haw! While we’re at it, let’s replay last year’s Super Bowl!
Seriously, what good could possibly come from starting over? Last time ’round, the GOP dragged their feet in Congress and yelled “death panels” on the teevee. Ya’ll got a different plan this time?
I’m with the GOP
In recent history, this statement alone nearly always identifies the speaker a fool. So unless you’re being sarcastic here, please rethink your position.
Oops! Forgot I was at RubeCentral.
Teabaggers Suck!
There. I am now qualified to Opine at Oliver’s place.
There. I am now qualified to Opine at Oliver’s place.
Maybe you should try actually providing some kind of facts or something to back up your belief that the law should be repealed.
You get sort of specific there for a second:
And then nothing. If you look at that sentence again, you’ll see that you include so many groups you may as well have just written: “Everyone will be thankful in the not-too-distant future” or maybe “Everyone but the rich …” Two sentences that are, you know, utterly meaningless as a support for anything.
But I like how you pretended you had something more there than an empty talking point.
Working people like having affordable health-care.
Simple as that.
You really have no clue what is in the new law, eh?
Just taking the Prog Bloggers written word at face value.
Get back to me in three years and see if is still “affordable” and “quality” health-care.
Facts? Who needs facts?
It’s like arguing with people the Bible isn’t literal. One side has science on its side; the other “Faith” – whatever the hell that is.
The anti-HCR side has mountains of info such as the mandate clause which will add over 30 million new customers to the Health Insurance Industries.
And the Pro-HCR faction has Obama’s word – whatever the hell that is.
The anti-HCR side has mountains of info such as the mandate clause which will add over 30 million new customers to the Health Insurance Industries.
Please, go on …
Wow. $455 Billion. That’s a lot of money.
Not as much as what Obama and the Democrats in Congress have added to the deficit the last 20 months…not even a tenth of it… in fact, just barely shy of 6 percent.
But still a lot. Glad to see the concern that’s been missing from the Keynesian intelligentsia over that period.
So, let me see if I understand this. You’re saying that “Obama and the Democrats in Congress have added more than 16×455 billion = 7.28 trillion to the *DEFICIT*”
(6% is about less than 1/16th of 100%)
in twenty months.
And, presumably, you also want to be taken seriously, like you knew jack-shit about what you were talking about.
That’s pretty amazing. That you want to be taken seriously, I mean.
Oh, dear. I did my math wrong. I do so humbly apologize.
It was only about 2.7 TRILLION FREAKING DOLLARS IN DEFICIT SPENDING BY OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS in the last 20 months.
Still a damn sight larger than a mere $455 billion.
But that’s not what matters, is it?
Being taken seriously? I don’t want to be taken seriously; I have no expectation of being taken seriously. Hell, I can’t even figure out how to reach the castles in the clouds most of you people live in. Not that I’ve tried – I like it just fine down here in the real world.
If I were taken seriously here, then I’d know somewhere on Earth a Progressive had engaged in rational thought rather than masturbatory ad hominem. And then I might worry.
You think that’ll happen anytime soon? Because if it’s coming soon, I might want to get a good night’s sleep to prepare, figuratively speaking of course, for the inevitable attack of emotion-based faces on thought-based fists.
Oh, the indignity!
“IT DOESN’T MATTER IF IT ADDS TO THE DEFICIT, WE CAN’T BE SOCIALISTY”-Matt Drudge
It’s like arguing with people the Bible isn’t literal. One side has science on its side; the other “Faith” – whatever the hell that is.
But the anti HRC-side has people that deny evolution, oppose gay marriage (an homosexuality in general) because the Bible says so, and oppose stem cell research. How do you reconcile that?
How do you reconcile this discrepancy in your mind?
If I were taken seriously here, then I’d know somewhere on Earth a Progressive had engaged in rational thought rather than masturbatory ad hominem.
Again, like I told your little friend, how do you reconcile this discrepancy in your head?
But the anti HRC-side has people that deny evolution, oppose gay marriage (an homosexuality in general) because the Bible says so
“I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.” Barack Obama
If I were taken seriously here, then I’d know somewhere on Earth a Progressive had engaged in rational thought rather than masturbatory ad hominem.
Wow! Victimhood, name-calling, and self-contradiction all crammed into less than 25 words! That’s some industrial grade trollery.
It was only about 2.7 TRILLION FREAKING DOLLARS IN DEFICIT SPENDING BY OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS in the last 20 months.
And your recommendaton is what? Slash spending in the face of a massive recession?
It was only about 2.7 TRILLION FREAKING DOLLARS IN DEFICIT SPENDING BY OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS in the last 20 months.
I’d like to point out that the deficit was 2.3 Trillion dollars when Obama first sat down at the Resolute desk. So, yeah, 400 Billion is a lot less than 2.7 Trillion. It’s a fucking bargain.
That’s some industrial grade trollery.
It is truly astonishing isn’t it?
“I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.” Barack Obama
I especially like the part where he then says “There oughta be a law. There oughta be a Constitutional amendment!”
No, wait. That was somebody else. That was a lot of somebody elses.
You’re entitled to your religious beliefs, as is he. But the first amendment–the FIRST!–says you can’t use those beliefs to form policy.
So, you don’t understand the difference between “the deficit” and “deficit spending” and you’re blaming the entire deficit on “OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS” as if it were possible to balance the budget in any rational way.
Good. Because when you can’t even get the basics of your bullshit right, you shouldn’t even be taken seriously as a bullshitter.
Of course, once you do get the basics right, then you’ll be a liar. You won’t just be making wild, pointless accusatory statements out of ignorance; you’ll be consciously telling lies. And despite telling such lies, you’ll be saying that we should still trust your favored leaders with the destiny of the US.
I am constantly amused by the rightie tighties who actually present the “logic” that something that reduces the deficit should not go forward … because the deficit is too big.
Experiencing cognitive dissonance requires that one actually have at least a tiny smidgen of cognition to begin with, so they just go merrily along to their next “logical” argument without ever seeing the twisted mess of rotted brain cells they have left behind.
Nice Try. Bush’s last budget deficit in 2008: $240 billion
Obama’s first budget deficit in 2009: $1400 billion.
Ah don’t ya just love how deficits didn’t matter until the scary black man got in the White House? Then it’s all OH NOES!!!!!
Imagine how much that deficit can be trimmed by letting the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire.
durablend, it’s amazing how excited that old line still makes you. Every time you guys say it, you act like it’s the first time you ever said it, like it’s a revelation to you or something. Most economists are putting the odds of our going right back into another recession at somewhere between 30-40%, and you think anyone’s objection to the incredibly massive deficits is only because of the pigmentation of Barack’s Obama’s skin due to having a black father. 29% of Likely Voters say the country is heading in the right direction, which is only just slightly larger than the size of you and your professional Left friends who need to be drug-tested, and you would say the other 71% only say that because ‘there’s a scary black man in the White House’.
Damn it man, who gives a damn about the Federal Deficit when there aren’t any damn jobs today? People are pissed not because of the debt, but because they haven’t been able find a job for a really god-damn long time.
I agree with you Tim, but the people riled up about this have jobs. The cons are good at riling people up about non-issues like this.
Frankly, the government would be foolish not to run up deficits now. Money is ridiculously cheap to borrow. If the spending triggers inflation, that’s a win too as cheapens money and makes the debt load for Americans that much less in real terms.
“Ah don’t ya just love how deficits didn’t matter until the scary black man got in the White House?”
Krugman 2003 [deficit at 3% of GDP, 10-year deficit projection $1.8 trillion]: “I’m terrified … we’re looking at a fiscal crisis that will drive interest rates sky-high … the conclusion is inescapable … the task is simply impossible … the fiscal train wreck, is already under way.” Or,
Krugman 2009 [deficit at 11% of GDP, 10-year deficit projection $9 trillion]: What’s to worry? The Ozzie & Harriet era of government finance will be easy enough to bring back. Just stabilize the debt in terms of GDP and be happy!
william, many on the right are beating the ‘obama has a suspect heritage’ drum pretty hard.
if they hadn’t been tacitly endorsing the birthers and muslim-accusers with their silence (or, more frequently these days, actual affirmations) maybe we’d believe that none of this was about race or heritage.
but they have, so it’s silly to believe that durablend’s not at least a little bit right — at the very least, there are large, public, vocal elements of the establishment right that would *like* him to be right.
Except the situation the economy was in was totally different in 2003 than 2009, but other than that nice try. By the way, very slick paraphrasing Krugman’s 2009 words. Do you have a link so we can find out what he really said?
EL, I’d love it if you could find a link to show us where Krugman or anyone said that it’d be swell if the massive spending now triggers inflation that’s it’s a win for us.
Just like “If you oppose health care reform, You’re a racist.” Yep, because the last time Health Care Reform was proposed, people were all for it!
Show me a white President with Trillion dollar deficits and I’ll show you a public that’s just as outraged.
Now, see, SaveFarris is *good* at this – he is a despicable liar already. It’s just – he’s incompetent, to boot.
The Bush budget, ending in September, 2009, had a deficit of 1.4 trillion. But it magically became *Obama’s* budget deficit, even though it wasn’t Obama’s budget.
The 2009 Federal Budget was signed into law March 11, 2009.
Who was President?
I’m sorry SF – Are you really saying that Bush wasn’t President when the Fed’s fiscal year ended?
LHW, Bush wasn’t President on 9/30/09 either.
Democracts chose to go the continuing resolution route until Obama got elected. So they own the 2009 budget lock, stock, and barrel.
PS. Obama … wait for it … Boom!
Ah, the President in 2009 is responsible for the budget starting in 2008. How fascinating. Does this apply every year, or is it a special exemption you created just so you could attack Obama because you hate him? (Or, is it Democrats in general that you hate? I wouldn’t want to pretend that you “just” hate a person when you might hate lots and lots of folks.)
But, just because I think it would be funny – please, tell me: where would *you* cut 1.4 trillion from the federal budget to balance it? Would you stop paying for social security and medicare, and cut all military spending? I think that would just about balance it.
SF, were the costs of 2 wars figured into Bush’s last budget?
The 2009 Federal Budget was signed into law March 11, 2009.
Who was President?
There it is. The perfect Save Farris blame-the-Dem logic. If you want to assign Obama responsibility for the deficit in the 2009 budget, that assumes the possibility he could have prevented–or at least affected–the deficit in that budget.
So tell us, Farris. How much of that budget was non-defense discretionary spending? What part of it was added by the Democrat congress after Mr. Bush left office? How much was already spent before the budget was signed? And most importantly, what LHW said: where do you think the cuts should have been made?
(For bonus points, explain what you think the effect of such dramatic cuts on the economy would have been.)
that assumes the possibility he could have prevented–or at least affected–the deficit in that budget.
The perfect Quaker logic: he thinks Obama wasn’t in Congress in 2008.
Is that his signature on the document? It is? Hmmmm….
Ol’Froth: you’re right, let’s go ahead and add them in. How does that change the argument?
The perfect Quaker logic: he thinks Obama wasn’t in Congress in 2008.
That’s right. There was a Democrat somewhere in government, therefore, HIS FAULT!
Is that his signature on the document? It is? Hmmmm….
Ignoring my five pertinent questions, above? Hmmm….to you too!
SF misses critical details all the time. Like the recession being by far the biggest cause of the deficit. Of course, the recession was caused by Obamas not leading the Democratic senate to be able to stop the world financial meltdown, or some shit.
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