Andrew Breitbart + Race + Tea Party = Epic Fail
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Apparently a smart person showed up. In their world, that is a minority.
It didn’t matter to them that he showed up just to laugh his ass off.
“The Tea Party is accepting of everybody,” said Hissey, adding that “Skin color diversity — that’s not real diversity. Everyone here has a different life experience.” Hissey recognized that the tea party “might be against gay marriage,” but that’s ok, he said, because he is too.
Sigh, on behalf of my gay people, I apologize.
Clearly all the non-white people who showed up were liberal plants. Infiltrators!!!
Breitbart is basically David Duke without the warmth and folksy charm….
By the way, I’d bet “all the non-white people” were paid to be there…which is why they were up on the podium.
Didn’t you see the video of the New Black Panthers intimidating people from going to Breitbart’s Tea Party event? I’m sure it’ll be online in a few days, once they’ve got it edited.
I also love the “Who cares if there wasn’t a diverse crowd? We’re all about diversity.”
Batshit meet Crazy.
Wanna know something else that outdrew Breitbart’s massive Tea Party rally this weekend – and not just by a few hundred, but by around 25,000 people?
A convention in Baltimore dedicated to Japanese cartoons.
But then the Tea Party is definitely lacking in both bishonen (look it up) and giant robots.
$100,000 donation to the United Negro College Fund offered by Andrew Breibart.
Anyone?
………Anyone?
………Bueller?
Damage control?
The offer’s been out there for a long time waiting to be put to good use, Ol’ Froth. Well before the video came out.
A link would be nice, as this is the first time I’ve heard about it.
And why an “offer?” If it was sincere, wouldn’t he just write a check and mail it in?
Dennis is fighting the good fight on behalf of race baiters. You’re just like MLK, Dennis.
Andrew Breitbart’s $100,000 Challenge
Go get that video and help out the UNCF in a very big way, Ol’ Froth. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Oh silly me! I thought it had something to do with the topic of the post, or possibly Breitbart trying to make amends for the Sherrod cockup. I should have known it was just a “look over here!”
And I wouldn’t have a video. I wasn’t there.
Which reminds me – has Dennis ever admitted that it was wrong for Breitbart to post videotape that had been edited in order to create a false impression of racism?
Prodigal, don’t you get it? If no one claims Breitbart’s 100K, this is proof positive that Breitbart is not a race-baiting douchebag, that there is no racism in the Tea Party or America, as a whole, and that any acts of racism you may point to are really fabrications organized by Spencer Ackerman.
It’s the key to everything!
Strange that he offered the $100,000 to the UNCF, isn’t it, fafaroo? It’s so consistent with everything you’ve said about him and all.
Not.
Yes, Dennis, it’s wildly inconsistent for the guy to construct a media stunt that morons like you will spend the rest of their lives pointing to as proof that the conservative movement is not motivated by racial animosity and hatred.
No matter what racist, race-baiting swill continues to get spit up by Tea Party leaders and members, Breitbart himself and the rest of the right wing noise machine, you will always just bring up the 100k: “Hey, that 100k is still sitting there! It’s you liberals who are the real racists!”
Yup. It’s not consistent at all for Breitbart to play to the eternal stupidity of his base. Why, I hardly recognize the guy.
Dennis is like an abused wife in a bad ’70s television movie. “Andy hits me because he loves me.”
No, fafaroo, you willingly obtuse moron. It’s inconsistent that he’d offer it to the UNCF. If he was the racist you claim he is, why wouldn’t he just offer it up to the guy who produced the video and not to an organization that provides assistance to the very people you claim he hates?
Where’s your logic in that statement, calling a $100,000 offer to the United Negro College Fund a ‘stunt’. What is wrong with you, anyway?
Because Brietbart knows nobody will take him up on his offer because he’s a fraud, liar, and will weasel out of it.
Gee, Dennis, why doesn’t he just give the 100K to the UNCF without the stunt? Why doesn’t he just give the 100K to the NAACP in apology for being a race-baiting, douche bag?
Because he doesn’t really give a shit about the UNNCF or the NAACP. He cares about scoring political points. That’s it.
And he knows that all he has to do is keep throwing morons like you completely bullshit media stunts.
In this instance, you are now arguing that no matter what an eye-witness says, if it’s not on video, it didn’t happen.
And yet, as has been pointed out before, in the NBPP case, you are arguing that the evidence against Jerry Jackson is strong enough without it being on video and without any eye-witnesses.
You’re an idiot, Dennis, who will believe anything they tell you. Anything.
Since we already know what the Brietbarts and the Sarah Palins of the world think, why do we need you hear to regurgitate it day in and day out?
We don’t. So you can go now.
In this instance, you are now arguing that no matter what an eye-witness says, if it’s not on video, it didn’t happen.
If you were a lawyer, and you’d have to be one of the sleaziest ones ever, and you argued like that in a court of law, you’d likely be disbarred on ethical grounds. I never said that. I am saying it is very strange that someone or some people yelled out the N-word 15 times and no one thought to open up their phone cameras to capture. We know people did have video cameras and people did have camera phones, so it is strange indeed. And we also know that Andre Carson has gone surprisingly mum on the subject when pressed for details.
All I’m asking for is a little bit of logical consistency here, and God knows you sure as shit ain’t providing it.
why do we need you hear to regurgitate it day in and day out?
You don’t have to hear me say anything. Every time I post, there are usually at least ten-twelve other blog stories on the page, yet you always gravitate to the one I’ve posted on.
Logical inconsistency again from you.
Dolt.
I never said that.
Sure, Dennis. You’re just arguing that if no one steps forward to collect Breitbart’s 100k reward that the whole thing is in doubt. So without the video, you have your doubts that it happened. Right?
Oh and what was Carson’s most recent statement on the matter, you know, from July 20:
http://johnkingusa.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/20/statement-from-rep-andre-carson-to-jkusa/
But if there’s hearsay evidence that some guy was told by some guy that he’d been threatened by some unidentified person, Jerry Jackson should definitely be charged with voter intimidation.
Okey dokey, Mr. Consistency!
You don’t have to hear me say anything.
So you’re going away? Thanks!
Just stop stalking me and your little personal problem is solved. Choose one of the other 15 topics on this page.
Andre Carson has zero credibility on this issue, that’s why he won’t talk about why it is that 15 supposed shout-out’s of the N-word and no one was disgusted enough to get a camera on it when freaking everybody has cameras these days, especially at an event like that. If it was one or two, ok, fafaroo, maybe it wouldn’t be so strange. But 15 times defies logical consisteny of an almost fafaroovian nature.
Dennis, stop playing an obsessive-compulsive idiot for ten seconds and answer the question: if it wasn’t a stunt, why didn’t Breitbart just donate the money?
Why the heck don’t you just donate a $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund, Jody? On what grounds is it that he’s supposed to just donate it to them?
You don’t make sense.
Andre Carson has zero credibility on this issue…”
And why is that, Dennis? Oh, right, because no one filmed what he says he saw and heard. And around we go …
Answer the question, Denny boy. I mean, unless it’s beyond your ability to directly address a question…
“But 15 times defies logical consisteny of an almost fafaroovian nature.”
You’re confusing a logic problem with a data problem — this has nothing to do with deduction. It’s a question of observation. There’s nothing logically inconsistent about something not having been observed or recorded. Did you just see me press my balls up against your last post on my monitor, half in anger and half in desire? Does that mean it didn’t happen?
That said, I think it’s nice that no one filmed these tea-partiers being racist. I mean, so far all we have is the bone in the nose, and the ‘barack the magic negro’, and the ‘barack that angry negro’, and the dead chimp cartoon in the post, and the fact that rallies to show how many people of color go to these rallies have a hard time producing any actual people of color. But we have no real *evidence*. OK, there was the taxpayer = nigar thing, but that was mostly funny. Heh. That guy was illiterate *and* thought that word is OK.
But me, I like the mystique — are they racist? Well maybe they are…but maybe they’re *not*! It’s like one uh dem, whaddyacallems, one ah dem enigmas, like in the movie with the guy who was a lady and it turned out at the end they showed his junk and everybody was like, oh, shiiiiit! whatchacallit….Tootsie! Tootsie, that’s it. the tea party is like a fat, pasty, old racist tootsie.
And sooner or later, they’re going to whip it out, or they’re not. But until then, they’re being coy with us. They’re like the Katherine Hepburn of being racist. And THAT, my friends, is how you put asses in seats!!! Wait, taxpayer = nigar? I’m not sure what that even *means* — i’ve got to stick around to find out!
Dennis is funny. He’s playing these dumb hypothetical games while the people he’s defending are putting up billboards of Obama next to Hitler and putting out ‘angry negro’ videos. Heh. Keep pushing that rock, Dennis! Maybe tonight you’ll get it all the way to the top of the hill!
I hadn’t heard of Brietbart’s stupid, self-serving offer of cash to the UNCF. The reason being that even as a stunt it’s poorly formulated. It makes him and the Tea Party look worse, not better. The very people that might have a video would be Tea Party members since they were the ones standing around when the incident happened. These are the same people that get nothing from a donation to the UNCF. If Breitbart was truly serious he’d offer the money to the person with video. Then he might have an argument. Or he could do the nice, respectable thing and just make a donation to the UNCF. But dragging the UNCF in to things so that he can try and say well ‘no one’s taking the money so the black people must be lying’ when the real answer is that ‘no one’s taking the money and that just proves a little further that the Tea Party is racist’.
Andre Carson doesn’t have any credibility? Why not? Because you say so? A cynic might say because he’s black. We’ve seen a lot from the Tea Party about not trusting anything black people say.
The best part about his little stunt is that it proves nothing.
Breitbart seems to think that absence of evidence in one single instance somehow proves there is no racism anywhere in the teabag movement, when all it takes is a quick trip to Sarah Palin’s webpage to see Youtube clips of overweight aggrieved white men singing “Barack the Magic Negro”.
It is downright embarrassing at how deluded these jackasses allow themselves to be.
“Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.”
- longtime liberal activist Mary Frances Berry
Thanks, Dennis 2
There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans.
Is there evidence that they are any LESS racist than the party of the Southern Strategy?
Non-white American citizens are a significant percentage of the general population. Give us your best guess as to why we see more people of color among the handful on the stage at TeePee events than among about the same number in front of the stage that they call “the crowd.”
Bonus question. What is the fewest number of TeePee members that qualifies as a “rally?”
Answer the question, Denny boy. I mean, unless it’s beyond your ability to directly address a question…
And there is more than ample evidence to establish that it is.
What is the fewest number of TeePee members that qualifies as a “rally?”
One. And a cat. Or an imaginary apparition of one of the Founding Fathers.
Breitbart seems to think that absence of evidence in one single instance somehow proves there is no racism anywhere in the teabag movement, when all it takes is a quick trip to Sarah Palin’s webpage to see Youtube clips of overweight aggrieved white men singing “Barack the Magic Negro”.
You’re an idiot, Jody. Why did you have to use the fafaroovian word ‘seems’. He doesn’t think that, he doesn’t say that, and he doesn’t seem to think it. You are simply making it up. 15 times Carson claimed the word was shouted. No one else has come forward to back that up. Congressman Carson’s wild-ass allegation ‘seems’ to be a bunch of bullshit.
The very people that might have a video would be Tea Party members since they were the ones standing around when the incident happened. –Michael Over Here
First, you have no clue at all what you are talking about. Second, your statement isn’t true. You’d have been just as well to have ended your post after your first sentence admitting you didn’t even know about Breitbart’s $100,000 challenge.
Here, MOH, watch these videos of the event and the Congressmen inexplicably walking amongst the tea party crowd. 2010: A Race Odyssey
Andre Carson doesn’t have any credibility? Why not? Because you say so? A cynic might say because he’s black. We’ve seen a lot from the Tea Party about not trusting anything black people say.
A liberal might say it was because he was black that I would claim he lacks credibility. Sorry, Michael, but when he said he heard it shouted 15 times, and no one has come forward and he won’t elaborate further, and people in their entourage had phones the held up, and no one turned their heads, nor confronted anyone, nor warned other congressmen not to go near the crowd hurling epithets, nothing, even for a $100,000 reward to the UNCF for video evidence, even for a $100,000 reward to the UNCF if Congressman Lewis could pass a lie detector test confirming it, I feel comfortable saying Andre Carson lacks credibility.
And your claims lack credibility. But then again, until you read this thread, this was the first you had even heard of the reward.
Holy fucking shit:
YUP! Black people daring to walk amongst white people is a racist act.
Dennis, you are a fucking moron. Go the fuck away.
Andre Carson has zero credibility on this issue…”
And why is that, Dennis? Oh, right, because no one filmed what he says he saw and heard. And around we go …–fafaroo
Another fafaroovian post, whereby this time you ask a question and then answer it in your words intimating that that’s how I would answer it. You’re a sleazeball, fafaroo. A dishonest, smarmy sleazeball.
Regarding COngressman Carson and what he says he saw and heard, you would do well to watch these videos of exactly the time and place he attested to having saw and heard the N-word hurled 15 times:
A Couple Questions for Rep. Andre Carson
He is afraid to expound on his allegation, fafaroo.
Why is that?
YUP! Black people daring to walk amongst white people is a racist act.
Holding video cameras up above them, fafaroo. Can you explain why they felt the need to that? Congressmen?
And those video cameras inexplicably don’t show evidence of Carson’s allegations.
And you think there is a perfectly fine explanation for that.
You just haven’t shared it with us.
Dennis, you’re a race-baiting douchebag if you accept the premise, pushed by Breitbart, that black congressmen simply walking through a crowd of their fellow citizens with video cameras is, in itself, a racist act. Not only that, you have to a total fucking moron.
No one, but no one is arguing that a bunch of white people showing up at the capital with cameras is, in and of itself, racist. People point to the racist fucking signs they’re holding and the racist fucking videos they make and the racist fucking emails they send and the racist fucking “satiric letters” they write as evidence of racism.
But no one is saying that a bunch of white people showing up at the capital with cameras is, in and of itself, racist.
But that’s what Breitbart is doing: He’s accusing black Congressmen of being racist FOR CROSSING THE FUCKING STREET.
You’re an idiot, Dennis. A race-baiting douche bag.
Go. Away.
fafaroo, you want to argue that point with Breitbart, be my guest, but now in fafaroovian fashion you are dodging the point, which was that these men had video cameras held up above them, obviously looking for signs of what they later alleged to have happened. Only, oddly, they don’t have it on film.
As for race-baiting, Carson’s and Lewis’ allegations are very serious. Serious enough that they should be man enough to own up to them and detail who were yelling it and where these shouts of the N-word were coming from. Neither of them will.
That, sir, is race-baiting.
And you, in typical douchebag fafaroovian style, will offer no explanation for neither why they won’t expound or come forward with more detail, nor how it could possibly come to be that no one has these 15 shouts of the n-word on audio or video.
It’s you and you’re smarmy style of sleazebag debate that needs to take a hike, fafaroo.
fafaroo, you want to argue that point with Breitbart, be my guest …
Okey dokey. I’ll take up the race-baiting insanity of Breitbart’s premise with Breitbart and not with you, even as you continue to push the race-baiting insanity of Breitbart’s premise in this thread.
Dennis, Breitbart is saying that just being black, walking into a white crowd and bringing cameras is, in itself, racist. Why? Because it would “create a contrast between the tea party crowd and themselves.”
Yup! Black people don’t walk amongst large groups of white people because you might create the wrong kind of contrast! You would be racist the real racists if you did so.
Dennis you want me to tell you how it could possibly “come to be” the something wasn’t captured on video even though–OMG!!!– there were cameras there? Really? You think this requires explanation?
Oh hey here’s something:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/13/wrong-video-health-protest-spurs-n-word-feud/
Oh, hey, the videos are edited and from the wrong moment in the day. Aw, fuck it. Post ‘em. It’s good enough for BigGovernment work.
Dennis, will you just go the fuck away?
Serious enough that they should be man enough to own up to them and detail who were yelling it and where these shouts of the N-word were coming from. Neither of them will.
Wait, neither one of them will come forward and do what?
Scroll through you tube videos and point people out?
Give detailed descriptions to a sketch artist?
And because they won’t go through this idiotic exercise you don’t believe them?
But, again, in your mind, a poll worker telling someone that he was told by someone else that he was threatened by someone, whom he cannot identify specifically, is enough for Jerry Jackson to be charged with an actual civil violation?
Idiot.
Hey, Dennis, how about this as an exercise. I’ve just watched the video that Brietbart says, is, you know, now the correct video from the correct moment. (Eh. Sorry about those first videos I used to accuse you of lying, which were you know, wrong)
Watch the whole video and tell me exactly what every person seen in the videos is saying at every moment.
Make an excel sheet, if that would be easiest, and use simply descriptions matched to time code, something like “Guy in green shirt #34 @ 3:12″ etc. and describe exactly what each person is saying. Oh and do the same for everyone just out of frame but on the steps as well.
Once you’ve done that, you can say definitively that the video doesn’t capture what Carson says happened.
Okay?
I feel comfortable saying Andre Carson lacks credibility.
And your claims lack credibility. But then again, until you read this thread, this was the first you had even heard of the reward.
Ha! Classic troll! My not keeping up to date on all of Breitbart’s schemes somehow removes my credibility? Schemes that are premised on lies as Fafaroo debunks above. Why should I have have to wade through the shit that comes out of Breitbart’s mouth to maintain my credibility? Why doesn’t he offer to the money to Tea Party crowd if they step forward? Why doesn’t he just donate the money to the UNCF?
So you being wrong about something (using video from a completely different time of day as proof the black caucus was filming) removes my credibility and Andre Carson credibility? You have no credibility, you’re a scummy racist Dennis.
Andre Carson has been for more trials in his life and stood taller because of it than many of us will. You’re an ass for assuming that he’d lie just because he’s black and the truth hurts your world view.
Just show one guy shouting the n-word one time. Give woo grand to the UNCF. Why would he not want to that for underprivileged children? He won’t because he can’t. You don’t need an excel spreadshhet for that, dilrod.
A hundred grand I meant to type- didn’t hit the 0alt key on this crackberry.
Don’t let Dennis set the conversation. It’s a distraction.
Just show one guy shouting the n-word one time. Give woo grand to the UNCF.
But Dennis, the video doesn’t show people not shouting the N-word, does it?
Are you saying it shows people not shouting the N-word?
Don’t let Dennis set the conversation. It’s a distraction.
Michael, you fucked up and came in this fight completely clueless and embarrassed yourself.
You’re the one who wants to distract now.
Holy crap, Dennis. Do you actually think you some kind of winning argument here?
You’re parroting everying Andrew Breitbart wants you to parrot, Dennis. How’s that worked out for you recently?
15 times, fafaroo, and none of the congressmen at any time flinch, look alarmed or move their heads toward anything in particular, much less for the sustained period of time one would expect for how long it would take for someone to shout out the same epithet 15 times.
No indication for this. No explanation offered by Carson. He refuses to explain this oddity that defies logic.
As do you.
It’s simple. Carson is full of shit and he tried to embellish it. He should have let it be with the original fabrication, but he had to make it bigger. 15 times.
There is no fucking way it was shouted 15 times. That’s why he lacks credibility on this issue. And so do you, fafaroo.
You’re parroting everying Andrew Breitbart wants you to parrot, Dennis. How’s that worked out for you recently?
You’re parroting Carson and just saying there’s no video to prove they didn’t say it.
Only there is video of when Carson said he heard it, when Cleaver was walking behind Lewis, and no shouts are heard and not one congressman shows any signs whatsoever of them being called the n-word.
Holy shit you are a moron, fafaroo.
There is no fucking way it was shouted 15 times.
How do you know that, Dennis? Does Breitbart’s edited video prove that no one shouted the N’word as Carson describes?
Is it proof that no one shouted the N-word? Yes or no.
As for your “logic” that if someone had shouted the N-word, Carson would have turned his head, you think that’s some kind of brilliant argument?
When I watch that video, Dennis, I see a group of Congress people very focused on getting through a large, extremely angry and vocal crowd with little if any protection. I see them walking with focus and purpose. I do not see them engaging with or responding to the crowd at all which is what I would exactly what I would expect to see no matter what the crowd said or didn’t say. Especially for a black Muslim in America.
You don’t think Carson hasn’t been called that word before as a black Muslim in America, Dennis? You think he’d be alarmed and surprised to hear it coming from a large, angry crowd of white people, as opposed to, you know, expect it? You think that a small group of black men are walking through a large crowd of angry white people would have stopped and started shouting and pointing fingers at white people if they heard the word? As opposed to keeping focused on not confronting the large crowd of angry white people and just getting through it as fast as possible?
All of that sounds totally illogical to you?
The shit you will eat to believe what they tell you, Dennis, is astonishing. Simply astonishing.
Go the fuck away.
Andre Carson has been for more trials in his life and stood taller because of it than many of us will. You’re an ass for assuming that he’d lie just because he’s black and the truth hurts your world view.
If I walked through a crowd with other friends like Carson did and heard an angry crowd shout out a racist epithet 15 times, you can be god-damn sure I would know where it was coming from and I’d have a damn good look at the guy’s face who shouted it. Maybe not if it was once or twice, but 15 times, yes, I would know and remember and would be able to cite where I was in relation to where they were. Yet Carson won’t tell us anything. And neither will anyone else. And no one comes forward to back him up. That’s just way too many people around not only to not have evidence, but also no corroboration. What you are arguing, Clueless Michael, is that the whole crowd let that happen, and is now too afraid to come forward and corroborate Carson’s account, and were too fucking stupid to open up their camera phones to take videos. The crowd was way too large for that to make sense, that you are claiming that they were all racist, all complete idiots, and all dishonest, and none now would dare come forward out of loyalty to an undefined movement, not even for a chance to get $100,000.
It’s absurd.
And you’re a clueless buffoon, Michael.
You’re parroting Carson and just saying there’s no video to prove they didn’t say it.
No, Dennis. What I’m saying is that Andrew Breitbart is a race-baiting douchebag for calling Carson a liar based on a bunch edited video snippets and the masterful logic that a black man would express shock and outrage at the moment he heard the n-word coming from a large, angry crowd of whites, as opposed to, you know, keeping their head fucking down moving the fuck on.
You have absolutely no grounds at all to make this statement: “There is no fucking way it was shouted 15 times.”
None. Zero.
And yet you make it, because Breitbart told you to say it.
You’re a fucking idiot.
If I walked through a crowd with other friends like Carson did and heard an angry crowd shout out a racist epithet 15 times, you can be god-damn sure I would know where it was coming from and I’d have a damn good look at the guy’s face who shouted it.
Hey everybody! Dennis knows exactly what it’s like to be a black amid a large angry group of white people who are shouting at you. Exactly!
How awesome.
Go the fuck away.
At least a hundred times now you’ve said that. You have 15 topics to comment on an at least 30 or so other posters with which to converse, but you keep coming back to me.
You have Stockholm Syndrome, fafaroo.
I think the best thing for you would be to look up one of the internet addiction websites and follow the steps to trying to kick the habit. Or try one of those website blockers. Or just simply leave. We’ll be here when you get well.
Dennis, people subjected to vile and threatining language in a mob situation do exactly whet the congressmen did. The stare straight ahead, they do not make eye contact, because to make eye contact with an unhinged loon is to invite a physical attack. No, if liberals were such agent provacatours as you seem to impy, they would invite a beating for the propaganda, would they not? Yet, they do no such thing. They behave exactly as people in dangerous situations behave in order to avoid harm.
The videos you link to are spurious at best. As has been pointed out, in a crown of teapartiers, it is very, very unlikely that those same baggers are going to produce video that shows them in a negative light. And if members of the congresscritters delegation held up video cameras, did you ever consider that the cameras came out when the race baiting started, and the race baiting ended as soon as the cameras came out?
I am trying really, really hard to be reasonable with you, but I’m seeing why the posters who’ve been here longer than me treat you with such contempt.
Bah, stupid fingers type slower than my thoughts. Sorry about the dropped letters
Hey everybody! Dennis knows exactly what it’s like to be a black amid a large angry group of white people who are shouting at you. Exactly!
And there you go again. I’m pretty sure I never said that but I’ll proofread just to make sure.
Nope, I didn’t.
I do know what it’s like to be called vulgar names from a crowd of angry assholes, fafaroo. Yes, I know who says them and when. I can recall names called me here from two years ago. Surely Carson can do the same from someone who shouted it 15 times, no?
There’s a lot of video, including the precise time Carson said he heard the shouts. Do you see any signs on Carson’s face or Lewis’ face or Cleaver’s face that would indicate surprise or anger at either having been, or having witnessed someone calling someone in that group the n-word 15 times. A black man being called the n-word by angry crowd of white people and he shows not outward anger or rage or disgust?
Defies logic.
did you ever consider that the cameras came out when the race baiting started, and the race baiting ended as soon as the cameras came out?
I’m being reasonable too, Ol’Froth. Again, if Carson and Lewis had left it at one or two epithets hurled, it might have been reasonable to believe that it happened and it was just not caught on camera or audio, but not 15 times. So no, it is hard to imagine that they sat there and watched and listened as the n-word came out 15 times (and who the hell counts how many times they hear the n-word?) and just forgot to bring out the cameras until after the 15 time.
Yes, it is reasonable to think that scenario is absurd.
And the cameras came out before the claim of the race-bating started, Ol Froth. Watch the vids; the held them up in the air from the very start of their walk-through. So you are assuming they had them out, then put them away, then the epithets came out….15 whole times….then they pulled the cameras out, and then the epithets just stopped because they saw the cameras. You would have to believe those people or that person who shouted it 15 times was under the impression no one else in the large crowd or the tv cameras thought to pull out their cameras or pan in their direction. 15 times shouting the n-word would attract all sorts of attention. Yet….nothing. Makes no sense under any reasonable assumption.
Imagine 13 Angry Men and one man standing accused by Rep Carson of having yelled the N-word 15 times and being charged for it and on trial. Imagine them all saying ‘yeah, weird no one got that on tape, but hey, Carson said it was so, so I’m going with guilty.’
That’s what you guys are saying. You aren’t being reasonable.
Actually your not being reasonable. You’re quantifying outrage. If one or two “niggars” were tossed, you’d buy that, but not 15. Would you buy 3? 4? 5? when does reasonable devolve into unreasonable? If only one “niggar” was shouted, is that less bad, than say, 11?
Andrew Breitbart’s $100,000 Challenge
Too bad he later decided that money would be better spent buying people’s e-mails.
Actually your not being reasonable. You’re quantifying outrage. If one or two “niggars” were tossed, you’d buy that, but not 15.
I’m saying 15 times makes it unbelievable that the kind of attention that would attract, the scene it would create, and the time it would take to shout it that many times, that no one would get it on video or audio in this day and age when everyone has a cam phone.
Would you buy 3? 4? 5? when does reasonable devolve into unreasonable? 15 is unreasonable. At 5 times even, you would expect some kind of reaction from someone. You’d expect some kind of corroboration. But with each time after that the logic goes exponentially more unbelievable that Carson isn’t telling a fish story.
If only one “niggar” was shouted, is that less bad, than say, 11?
No one said it was less bad or more bad. It seems Carson felt the need to tell the world that 15 times was pretty bad. How it is that he was so sure it was 15 times, that mentally he’s walking and counting but not looking is an absurdity.
Too bad he later decided that money would be better spent buying people’s e-mails.
Add nonsense to late and clueless.
The Journo-list emails didn’t come from him, either, idiot.
Dennis, I watched the videos. There’s lots of booing, yelling, and chanting. It is impossible to make out any individual words other that the “kill the bill” chant. And the videos do not show the entire walk through. One picks up as the congresscritters descend the steps, and two cover the finish, if you will. The positions of the cameras make it highly unlikely that any intelligible audio would be recorded. Yet that doesn’t mean mean spirited words were not said.
Also, you’re trying to apply the rules of evidence to protected speech. AS hateful as it is to call someone a nigger, it is not illegal. So your trial analogy is bogus on its face.
I continue to marvel at how Oliver allows Dennis to host his blog here in the comments section.
This $100,000 isn’t the magic bullet he thinks it is. Breitbart has no credibility and a completely sullied name. No one believes that he would ever pay up and on top of that I think most people don’t even want to engage him since he’s proven himself to be a shill of the highest order.
Dennis thinks that he’s won arguments just because he types them so hard that they make his veins bulge. It’s disgusting to watch someone repeat the same lies over and over again to drag honest people through the mud.
Dennis I have a question for you…
Why do you bother trying to change the minds of these people?
Just let them stay on here and kiss each other’s asses all day and spin their theories.
They don’t want to talk about common sense or the truth. This website is crawling with people who are disconnected from reality and have no commmon sense. I bet most of these people are single, in their 40′s and do nothing all day but get on here to argue with you. It’s a pretty sad existence…
Ha! Dennis has written more on this website than the man who hosts it. His the definition of basement dwelling troll.
That should be ‘he is’ not ‘his’
iPhone keyboard!
I do know what it’s like to be called vulgar names from a crowd of angry assholes, fafaroo.
Why am I not at all surprised.
How precious. Dennis is telling us how black people should respond to racism.
Add nonsense to late and clueless.
Too bad for you it actually happened.
Too bad for you it actually happened.
Really? What happened?
Here’s what you said:
“Too bad he later decided that money would be better spent buying people’s e-mails.”
He didn’t spend the money in either case. No one has produced even a hint of evidence of what Andre Carson alleged, nor has Lewis offered to submit to a lie detector test affirming those wild allegations in order to have a significant amount of money be donated to helping young, underprivileged black children receive a college education. And Breitbart did not supply the Journo-list emails to the Daily Caller- not the ones where the liberal strategy and your personal favorite of calling randomly and wantonly calling conservatives racists to take the heat off the Rev Wright story, not the ones with lib journos discussing the merits of accusing Palin of faking her own pregnancy, and not the ones laughing at and ignoring the fantasy of Rush Limbaugh dying of a heart attack. None of those did Breitbart supply to the Daily Caller.
Again, you are chronically late to the meeting and completely clueless.
Stay in school, Zython the Bygone.
This website is crawling with people who are disconnected from reality and have no commmon sense. I bet most of these people are … in their 40’s and do nothing all day but get on here to argue with you. It’s a pretty sad existence…
Congratulations, you’ve just described Dennis in a nutshell.
Southern Quaker releases herself from Creepy Lurker status and makes what she thinks is a witty and intelligent contribution.
Why not offer your theory of how 15 shouts of the n-word were not captured on tape by anyone willing to come forward and see that the UNCF receives a much-needed and appreciated donation of $100,000.
Poor Denise the Dense, still flogging Brietbarts’ claim that Tea Partiers never said anything racist, because we know modern technology should’ve caught any racial slurs for posterity on the tape.
OTOH, what we’ve seen of racist tea party signs were made by liberal provocateurs obviously who attended the protests, right?
DA, those trying to make a positive claim that racial epithets were hurled need to actually have evidence.
Even Sotomayor would agree that the claiments haven’t yet met their burden of proof.
Well, Dennis, that’s not the topic of the thread, is it? And since you’ve successfully derailed yet another thread at OW.com, I’ve decided to derail your derailment by starting a discussion as to why Dennis is so prone to thread derailment. Do you have any theories? Or perhaps we could discuss why dropping by occasionally to make a pointed comment is more “creepy” than your obsessive need to post here?
DA, those trying to make a positive claim that racial epithets were hurled need to actually have evidence.
“Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absense”.
Even Sotomayor would agree that the claiments haven’t yet met their burden of proof.
Except that this isn’t a court case, but thanks for playing!
Or perhaps we could discuss why dropping by occasionally to make a pointed comment is more “creepy” than your obsessive need to post here?
Nah, the amount of posting that Denise does here merely demonstrates her OCD, that’s not creepy at all, is it?
I’ve decided to derail your derailment by starting a discussion as to why Dennis is so prone to thread derailment. Do you have any theories? Or perhaps we could discuss why dropping by occasionally to make a pointed comment is more “creepy” than your obsessive need to post here?
Takes two to tango, SQ. I mentioned that Breitbart’s challenge if met would’ve meant a $100,000 donation to the UNCF. The post was meant to argue the claim that Breitbart was a racist, which was the topic of the thread, my poiint being that that was an inconsistent gesture on the part of a committed racist if that’s what he was. After that, it seems there were more than a few people who wished to weigh in on that post. If it was derailed and you were the fair and open-minded person you think you are, you;’d acknowledge that fafaroo and marco and Jaim and Ol Froth and MOH and quite a few other far-left liberals were every bit just as much responsible for the derailment as I was. In the case of the dishnonest fafaroo, far more responsible.
Why is it that you have no witty retorts for them?
Dennis, I’m responsible only insomuch that I had no idea what you were talking about, and asked for link, it went on from there. You’re the one that somehow thinks pointing out a “reward” for the production of video that probably doesn’t exist exonorates ‘baggers, and therefore,is relevent to the post. Oh well, bad on me for trying to figure out where you were coming from, its all my fault, I guess.
Why is it that you have no witty retorts for them?
I have, in the past, tried to point out the futility of engaging the right-wing trolls here. BHolt’s original comment was just too good to pass up. But I have no interest in playing this childish one-upmanship game with you or your fellow agitators, which is why I rarely post any more.
You didn’t do anything wrong, OF. Maybe Southern Quaker thinks you did, I don’t know, but I don’t think you did. I don’t think it exonerates anyone, but it makes the claim by Carson appear very suspect. Helping out underprivileged minorities get a college education is a very good incentive for anyone having evidence of his claim. You don’t even have people in the crowd coming forth to offer their corroboration. So no one witnessed what Carson said he witnessed to the degree he claimed it happened over and over and over…..15 times. I find it baffling that a policeman wouldn’t find his claim especially odd for such a large crowd of potential witnesses and for such a substantial incentive.
I have, in the past, tried to point out the futility of engaging the right-wing trolls here. BHolt’s original comment was just too good to pass up. But I have no interest in playing this childish one-upmanship game with you or your fellow agitators, which is why I rarely post any more.
I’d like to see you post more often, SQ. I’d be up for some rules, too, truth be known. Why don’t you suggest some that would make things more civil here? It’s not the wild, wild west here, but it’s not far from it. I’m not innocent, but it’s not entirely my fault, either. I’m just the easy and obvious target for you.
Un-be-lievable.
Wow. He really is just insane.
That being the case,I suppose we’re doing the nation a service by keeping him chained to his keyboard, foaming away. At least there the only danger he represents is to himself via cheeto poisoning.
Jody nails it. Oliver’s website is the flypaper strategy for crazed rightwing morons.
All that I see on this website is a bunch of guys with nothing better to do than to look up words in the dictionary to insult each other with. I haven’t really found any comments that make a lot of sense. I guess I’m not smart enough to understand…
Or I don’t have time to look up all these words in a dictionary…
All that I see on this website is a bunch of guys with nothing better to do than to look up words in the dictionary to insult each other with. I haven’t really found any comments that make a lot of sense. I guess I’m not smart enough to understand…
Admitting that you’re too dumb to understand the meanings of basic words does not help you or your cause.
But admitting a problem is the first step towards recovery. Tell us about your mother.
The Right-Wing rag NYT makes DarkAvenger’s day:
I await YOUR apology and retraction…
He didn’t spend the money in either case.
Of course not. That implies he ever intended to spend the money in the first place.
None of those did Breitbart supply to the Daily Caller.
Absolutely, since that assumes the Daily Caller even has them. After all, why else would they refuses to publish them?
Zython the Bygone
Really? That’s the best you can do? God you’re pathetic.
Or I don’t have time to look up all these words in a dictionary…
Oh noes! You don’t understand words like “agitator”, or “witty”, or “implies”, or “the”.
I haven’t really found any comments that make a lot of sense. I guess I’m not smart enough to understand…
Well, Occam’s Razor* and all.
*Note, Occam’s Razor is NOT a new Gillette product.
I just wanted to reiterate in this thread because it has been rather stupidly threadjacked.
UNI-TEA was a resounding, poorly attended failure. Tea Partiers obviously have an aversion to seeing diversity at their events. It’s almost as if there’s a strong current of racism flowing through their movement. Secondly to host Breitbart at an event that purports to be about diversity is disgusting and completely destroys the image they’re attempting to put forward.
I always suspected that the Tea Baggers would blow their load long before the November elections and that’s been proven. Conservatives must be getting nervous that they can’t sustain that much unwarrented hate for long enough to see the actual political gain.
Really? That’s the best you can do?
You’re talking about the same guy who thought it was really witty to call me “spring chickenmambo” for months, maybe years. So yeah, given that yours almost rhymes, that is absolutely the best that Dennis can do.
The fact that few minorities came to the UNI-TEA rally proves that the NAACP is racist.
Thank you, Zython, for the “refuses to publish them” link. I haven’t laughed that hard for QUITE sone time.
Listening to Ygelias and Klien bitch and moan over Carlson not releasing the full archive when they were both on the list (Ezra as the admin!) and THEY won’t release the full transcript when asked even though they are one of the few who have the power to do so is just hypocracy at it’s finest.
Of course, SaveFarris, the NYT is accurate all the time, correct?
To remind you what a former Secretary of Defense said, “Absence of evidence is evidence of abscense”.
Of course, you overlook the spitting on Rep. James Clyburn because why?
I await YOUR apology and retraction…
I await you figuring out that I have nothing to apologize and retract……..
Farris, they were calling his bluff, and sad sack Tucker folded. LIke you said, if they actually wanted the stuff released, they would’ve done it themselves.
Tell me, were you born this stupid, or did it take years of practice?
Interesting how Farris is shifting his defense from “Nobody said the N-word” to “Well … it wasn’t teabaggers saying it!”
“Admitting that you’re too dumb to understand the meanings of basic words does not help you or your cause.”
And we have more insults…
I love people who can write things like this:
..and then whine about being insulted.
What a standard bearer for civility you are, BHolt.
Fucking moron.
I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. Just pointing out that you do nothing but get on here all day to argue for no reason and call people names, so that’s why Dennis should just not bother arguing with anyone. Thank you for confirming this…
Try coming up with some real responses that have meaning instead of just hurling insults.
farafoo…
“And we have more insults…”
This isn’t whining about insults, this is pointing out that all I see is insults, just like I stated previously.
“I bet most of these people are single, in their 40’s and do nothing all day but get on here to argue with you. It’s a pretty sad existence…”
This is truth… not an insult. You don’t have anything better to do but get on here and if you had a family then you wouldn’t be on here so much. And it is a pretty sad existence.
I bet most people, whatever their circumstances, would hear someone described their existence as “sad” and respond “Yeah, well, that’s true. I do live a sad life.”
Certainly telling a bunch of people that they are “disconnected from reality and have no commmon sense” is not an insult, at all.
I think if you told most people that they were “disconnected from reality and have no commmon sense” they wouldn’t take it as an insult, they’d say “Well, yes, that is factually accurate. How reasonable and objective you are, sir.”
BHolt, go fuck yourself. You came in this thread hurling insults and started whining when you were called names. Here’s another one: You’re an idiot.
Now you’re telling me that people with wonderfully full lives, as yours so obviously must be, have better things to do than get into flame wars with losers like me on the internets? Great. Keep responding to people’s comments here denying that you’re a complete asshole. That’ll show us how wonderfully full and rewarding your family life is!
It really is no surprise why you morons get duped so often by charlatans like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh et al. You have zero critical faculties and even less self-awareness. Your brains are mush.
@Bholt: “if you had a family then you wouldn’t be on here so much”
I have a family, and I’m 35. I just type really fast and have a keyboard macro attached to the phrase “you’re a fucking idiot”. I brew beer and run 40 miles a week, I have a pretty OK job, and yet somehow, I find time to point out that Dennis is a fucktard. It really doesn’t take very long.
Bholt, you’re a fucking idiot.
See?
@Bholt: “if you had a family then you wouldn’t be on here so much”
This admonishment, of course, does not apply to people like Dennis who has a family with kids and is on here more than Oliver.
And, Hnice, how’d you set up that macro? I’m getting carpal tunnel here.
BHolt: All that I see on this website is a bunch of guys with nothing better to do than to look up words in the dictionary to insult each other with. I haven’t really found any comments that make a lot of sense. I guess I’m not smart enough to understand…
mambo: Admitting that you’re too dumb to understand the meanings of basic words does not help you or your cause.
BHolt: And we have more insults…
I will add that my “insult” was really just a restating of your own words, BHolt. You yourself made the claim that you weren’t smart enough to know what we’re talking about, from the meanings of individual words to the whole of comments themselves. You effectively called yourself an idiot. And that’s one point that I will not debate you on, as there’s ample evidence for the truth of that statement.
BHolt’s delicate sensibilities can’t handle all the insults. It gives one the vapors!
But most importantly you get to feel superior, BHolt.