Gallup: The Tea Party Is Just The Republican Party
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Or as I like to say, they’re Republicans too ashamed to actually say “we’re Republicans”
There is significant overlap between Americans who identify as supporters of the Tea Party movement and those who identify as conservative Republicans. Their similar ideological makeup and views suggest that the Tea Party movement is more a rebranding of core Republicanism than a new or distinct entity on the American political scene.
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There was a time when George W. Bush’s reputation was going straight into the toilet that ashamed Republicans called themselves libertarians. Now they call themselves “Tea Party activists”, but that also includes some of the more extreme religious nuts as well.
“all walks of life!”-Griff Jenkins
I was always disgusted at how the media made it seem like thousands of “new voters” were suddenly beamed down to the United States and would take over the country. Like these middle-aged, white people had NEVER voted before, had NEVER paid attention to politics before and had NEVER had conservative viewpoints.
They really pushed this notion that these were “new” people and would forever change the face of the country. They’re just fired-up Republicans.
The Tea Party is blending into the Republican Party. Journalism’s faulty metaphors are not the fault of either the Tea Party or the Republicans. I reported on a similar situation in the 90′s , when the MSM had no idea how to report on Religious Right, so they called them “stealth candidates”, as if the Press’s failure to cover them was the candidate’s fault.
The significant feature is that whether or not there are Democrats in the Tea Party, there are no Tea Party members heading over to the Democrats. In other words, the Democrats are being viewed as the Establishment, to be feared and mistrusted.
I love how the liberals point to the lack of diversity in the Tea Party and the Republican Party , as if the Democrats are a cross section of America . They are, except for all the non-urban areas in America .
They are, except for all the
non-urbanwhite areas in America .I think teabaggers are mostly Republicans who believed they would “no longer going to have to carry the water for people who I don’t think deserve having their water carried”, as Leader Limbaugh dictated in 2006. A true grassroots “constitutionalist” movement would never have allowed establishment neocon Sarah Palin to be their keynote speaker, and would be decrying Reagan and Bush’s high spending / financing fiscal policies as well as Obamas.
OOh, D A … What a clever retort! I’ll tell you what… Add up all the people of pallor and add up all the legal people of color, and see what you get.
As long as you insist that the Tea Party is nothing but racist blow-back , you are not seeing the forest for the trees …
As Mark Steyn pointed out years ago, every four years, the Democrats go into the Presidential election, thinking “It’s close! It’s close!” [with the exception of 2008 - fd], and the day after, they wake up, scratching their heads, wondering what went wrong. They blame torn chads, Diebolt, but never their failed, 150 year old ideology.
Once again, we see the American people have voted for the Democrats, because they have forgotten why it has been so long since they last voted for them.
The key impetus to the Tea Party is not racial, but social. These are the people who hit the streets to protest the Viet Nam War , and antiquated school policies. Now they have become more conservative in their golden years, they are putting “new wine in old skins” and hitting the streets for new reasons.
I ask you this question for you to think about, even if you don’t / won’t / can’t answer it: Suppose the Tea Party is motivated by racism… What difference does it make in 2012, even if Pres Obama declines to run again? Is anyone in the Tea Party giving even the slightest inkling that these issues would evaporate if the Democratic candidate were white?
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I see Frankie has hit the sauce a day early
Does MArk Steyn realize that’s it’s been over 20 years since the GOP has gotten more votes in consecutive elections?
“…add up all the legal people of color, and see what you get.”
Gee, I don’t know why anybody would ever dream there might possibly be some kind of racist thing going on with the teabaggers…
This is news to whom exactly?
OOh, D A … What a clever retort! I’ll tell you what… Add up all the people of pallor and add up all the legal people of color, and see what you get.
I live in a non-urban part of the country, Frank, so I think I might know more about the subject that you pretend to.
As for legal POC, there’s a lot of them, when I was growing up the Hispanic population was 20% and it wasn’t unusual to see ‘Se Habla Espanol’ signs in the windows, and the percentage has increased in 4 decades of growth.
This is a generational fight going on. The issues at hand boil down to direction of our country. The problem being boomers are having a hard time realizing their reign is coming to an end. Novus Ordo Seclorum
“Enlightened” Liberal: Hasn’t the memo reached your ashram that it is the height of politically incorrect classless douchebaggery to suggest that a recovering alcoholic just because you disagree with him?
The callousness, intolerance, lack of compassion, and cruelty of “liberals”, especially “enlightened” ones, never ceases to amaze, and disgust, me.
The Hispanic population is growing? Really? Gee, you mean those almost daily news stories of Hispanic population growth are true?
Wow.
And all the time I thought they were made up by the left – leaning media to frighten us racist conservatives.
BTW, keep up that “all conservatives / republicans are racists” meme… It will serve you well in 2010 and 2012.
You’ll be scratching your heads again the day after Election Day. Diebold? Chads?
The callousness, intolerance, lack of compassion, and cruelty of “liberals”, especially “enlightened” ones, never ceases to amaze, and disgust, me.
You should bring that up with Dennis, Frank.
You should bring that up with Dennis,– fafaroo
Anytime, fafaroo. I lauded you for your recovery, however. I worried that you merely substituted one addiction for another one by your constant stalking on here, and I wasn’t sure if that was a healthy thing for you to do.
I must’ve stated that at least twenty times, yet you still twist it back around.
And fafaroo, Frank hits the nail on the head with Enlightened Liberal. He posted earlier this week that he was happy that Dixie was getting the brunt of the oil spill consequences.
callousness, intolerance, lack of compassion, and cruelty of “liberals”,especially “enlightened” ones??
With regards to “Enlightened” Liberal, yeah, check. He’s more than happy to see people suffer if they don’t share his particular political philosophy. How the word ‘tolerance’ ever got associated with liberalism is a mystery to me.
Let’s remember what compassion and caring Frank the ex-drunk has shown here in the past:
Like I said – c*nts If the t*mpon fits – wear it
Wow, Frank’s frantic burst of “look over there”ing in a desperate attempt to distract everybody from the racism of his whining about POCs being illegals wasn’t predictable at all…
You’ll be scratching your heads again the day after Election Day.
And this is where I point out Frank has been posting this same thing for years, including before the 2006 and 2008 elections. Considering it was Frank’s side of the aisle doing the head scratching then, I declare this meme dead and stupid. Guess what? Sometimes people win and lose elections. SHOCKING.
These are the people who hit the streets to protest the Viet Nam War , and antiquated school policies.
Any evidence for this? Any at all?
I worried that you merely substituted one addiction for another one by your constant stalking on here, and I wasn’t sure if that was a healthy thing for you to do.
No. You used personal information I volunteered in these threads as a personal attack against me.
You meant nothing helpful or positive by it at all.
You’re a lying sack of shit to pretend otherwise.
FDS wrote:
“I love how the liberals point to the lack of diversity in the Tea Party and the Republican Party, as if the Democrats are a cross section of America. They are, except for all the non-urban areas in America .”
I also love how Republicans exaggerate both the numbers and power of the rural vote. Square miles don’t vote; people do. Slightly under 21% of the population lives in rural areas, per the last Census. If anything, that rural population is declining relative to the urban, not growing. Congratulations on winning a marginally-larger share of a dwindling minority demographic – and one which has a greater percentage living in poverty than the urban demographic.
Aside from that, the rural allegiance to the GOP is really based on the (failed) Cultural War, not any kind of tri-corner hat, teabag waving, anti-socialism. And, as a nation, we are not going “back to the Fifties”. The rural vote is only chaining the Republican Party to the (losing) social conservative ideology, not the fiscal conservative faction. The rural population is quite happy with their “socialist” agricultural subsidies and federal transportation system that gets their product to market.
Your competition for election prediction fail is pretty strong, Frank, you might want to punch it up a bit so that is sounds more like this:
Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.
My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.
One of the better 2008 red-blue county maps I’ve seen:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html
The “Results by County” tab is good.
Prodigal, if you could read English, you would have seen that I pointed out that were legal and illegal people of color. It was YOUR racism that led you to believe that all a people of color are illegals, when in fact , not even all illegals are people of color.
Dark Avenger, speaking of “look over there,” takes an insult I meant for a few people, and implies that that proves I lack the political correctness of a liberal.
a) You guys are the hypocrites – talking about selfish, uncaring, intolerant, conservatives; whilst at the same time seeming to be coldblooded and pitiless toward those whose ideology differs from yours;
b) I wasn’t referring to any ethnic group, any ideological group, or any group at all. It was aimed at jerks like you, who think that this web was designed by Oliver so that you could devise clever insults of yours truly.
Dark Avenger, speaking of “look over there,” takes an insult I meant for a few people, and implies that that proves I lack the political correctness of a liberal.
It’s an insult that Oliver deleted from one of your comment, and it demonstrates you lack the manners of a lactating yak, let along any standard of decency for an alleged member of the genus Homo, such as yourself.
Frank, how often do you buy new keyboards? It seems like all your woe-is-me blubbering would mess up the electronics.
Frank, when you italicised “legal” when you wrote “legal people of color” made it clear that you were trying to make the claim that the majority of people of color in the US are illegal without being brave enough to state it outright. Your making racist statements is not our fault.
When the Republican party can say it has as its constituency more than just white people, Frank may ratchet down from really effing wrong to just wrong. The Democrats, for all their faults, consist of blacks, whites, latinos, asians, native americans, etc. And they aren’t just window dressing for our conventions. They get elected to higher office. Pretty high office, actually.
Prodigal – you are absolutely incorrect. I was distinguishing between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants – nothing more, nothing less.
If I had wanted to say that the majority of people of color in this country were illegal , I would have , except for one thing: It is not a fact. All the Afro-Americans in this country are here legally. I would venture to say that most likely all the African immigrants in this country are here legally.
In fact, with the exception of about 11 million Mexican arrivals, and a handful of people with expired visas, everyone in America is here legally.
Why would I be a racist and not be brave enough to say so, given that I am accused of being a racist so often?
Oh, and Mambo, perhaps I should restate what I said above, so you more clearly understand me: I am not here for your amusement, dickhead, so step the fuck off!
There, does that meet minimum standards of mambo macho?
“All the Afro-Americans in this country are here legally.”
Very magnanimous of you to say so. You say the darndest things.
“Add up all the people of pallor and add up all the legal people of color, and see what you get” was distinguishing between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
No matter how often or how frantically you try to tapdance away from your own words, you still wrote them – and they were still racist.
Prodigal, because YOU say so, does not make it so. Isms, should I have said they are not here legally? You say the most foolish things.
The subject of my alleged, non-existent racism, as far as I am concerned , is closed
But I’m open to the possibility that teabagging is a direct philosophical descendant of “patriotism which fights for freedom and liberty for all ‘cept da slaves”.
They blame torn chads, Diebolt, but never their failed, 150 year old ideology.
Yes, because the Civil Rights Act, Social Security, WWI, WWII, were all failures.
While the Vietnam war, Iraq War, Katrina response, and Iran-Contra were all huge successes.
Frank DiSalle: “Enlightened” Liberal: Hasn’t the memo reached your ashram that it is the height of politically incorrect classless douchebaggery to suggest that a recovering alcoholic just because you disagree with him?
The callousness, intolerance, lack of compassion, and cruelty of “liberals”, especially “enlightened” ones, never ceases to amaze, and disgust, me.
I see Frank’s hypocrisy is on full bore today.
Now they have become more conservative in their golden years, they are putting “new wine in old skins” and hitting the streets for new reasons.
Like I pointed out before, this is a myth. People tend to keep their political preferences for their whole lives.
Dr. timmy iss intrigued by zis tinking.
Cognitive dissonance is the eliciting of an uncomfortable emotional reaction when discordant facts are introduced into one’s own theoretical model of the universe. If sane, the subject must resolve or rationalize the discord into a cohesive whole lest the discomfort persists. Yet, ze wingnut appears to have no such discomfort. Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand can both know perfect truth. Liberals can be more feeling AND more thinking as a whole than conservatives, both at the same time (H/T Dr. Helen, conservative “psychologist”). And ad infinitum…
I propose that this “hypocrisy” we observe is actually a lack of the Cognitive Dissonance Mechanism. To the layman, the vernacular may be known as “dumbfuckery”.
Now they have become more conservative in their golden years, they are putting “new wine in old skins”
If I remember my scriptures, Jesus said the new wine, old skins thing was a bad idea.
Isms, should I have said they are not here legally?
Honestly, it’s best if you said nothing at all. It’s fucking obvious that they are Americans. What’s your point is spelling it out like that?
In King County, WA where I live, their campaign signs don’t even say Republican. Sometimes there will be gop somewhere in really small letters.
The subject of Frank’s racism is right up there with the subject of whether liberals can be patriotic as far as not just being closed, but also as having been closed after having been proven to be the opposite of how Frank claimed they were.
Zython, you claimed it was a myth before. So?
I changed my political beliefs at age 17, and changed many of the details over the years since. You disagree? So what?
Quaker, I was not waxing theological – I was using the metaphor.
Prodigal, for me the subject is closed. You are, of course, free to prattle on endlessly. You are wrong, but who can stop you?
I was using the metaphor.
So was Jesus. And he still said that was something you shouldn’t do.
It’s like this: you put new wine in old wineskins, the skins break and you end up with a big, useless, wasted mess.
If that’s the metaphor you want to make for the Tea Party, well, I’ll have to agree.
No I know why you’re called the Quibbler.
I changed my political beliefs at age 17, and changed many of the details over the years since. You disagree? So what?
Frank, you’re confusing yourself with normal people again.
And you’ve demonstrated why you’re known as the site idiot, Frank.
“Prodigal, for me the subject is closed.”
You’re in denial about other things, too.
Gee, Dark Avenger, that was clever. Did you find that in WikiPedia, too?
No, and I leave http://www.pulledoutmyass.com alone as a reference source for folks like you.
Frank DiSalle: In fact, with the exception of about 11 million Mexican arrivals, and a handful of people with expired visas, everyone in America is here legally.
Why would I be a racist and not be brave enough to say so,
Even in the post where he’s claiming he isn’t a racist and doesn’t make sweeping statements, Frank makes a racist sweeping statement.
I am not here for your amusement, dickhead, so step the fuck off!
And yet, amusing you are.
Even Dennis knows the truth about Frank, that’s why he called my blog ‘psychotic’, because of the subject matter.
Your blog is psychotic mainly because it was conceived by a psychotic, and it’s nothing more than the rambling musings of a psychotic, Dark Avenger. Your level of OC/D is rivaling that of fafaroo’s.
it’s nothing more than the rambling musings of a psychotic, Dark Avenger.
Really?
You’re defending the fellow who had this to say when confronted with the fact that Oliver had asked him to go away:
But he’s normal, pointing out his bad temper, immaturity, and lack of knowledge is what makes my blog psychotic.
As I remarked earlier, Dennis, you don’t need a drink, you need 50 mg of reserpine and to see a psychoanalyst to find out why you feel the need to defend an ex-drunk with the faults I listed above.
Your level of OC/D is rivaling that of fafaroo’s.
Again, Denise the Menace, you got your degree in psychology/counseling with how many box tops?
I usually avoid obscenity, unless dreadfully provoked,
And, based on his posting s here, Frank believes anything much more than “Good morning, Frank” is a dreadful provocation.