Congress Decides To Do Israel’s Work, Attack Turkey

7:41 pm EST June 16th, 2010 | Foreign Policy | 34 Comments

Man, how transparent are they? And this cuts down both sides of the aisle.

‘There will be a cost if Turkey stays on its present heading of growing closer to Iran and more antagonistic to the state of Israel,’ Representative Mike Pence, the No. 3 Republican in the U.S. House of Representatives, said.

At a news conference, Republicans and Democrats denounced NATO ally Turkey for supporting an aid convoy of ships that recently tried to run the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

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34 Responses to “Congress Decides To Do Israel’s Work, Attack Turkey”

  1. merl says:

    do they know that Turkey is a NATO member?

  2. jr says:

    “THOSE WHEELCHAIRS CAN TURN INTO TERRORIST ROBOTS. DIDN’T YOU WATCH TRANSFORMERS AS A KID?”-Matt Drudge

  3. Turkey draws closer to Iran, when they are supposed to be a NATO member, and the US should

    a) Blame Israel
    b) Do nothing
    c) Give their approval

    I like d)
    d) Tell Turkey to act like an ally, and not an opportunistic Quisling.

  4. The Dark Avenger says:

    Since Turkey is a democracy, Frank, how can they be a ‘quisling’?

    Is that how you define a populace unwilling to put American and Israeli interests ahead of their own?

  5. cj says:

    We should just call ourselves Israelis now since Israel has such a strong hold on our government.

    Boy is this going to improve our relationship with the Muslim world.

  6. isms says:

    I suspect this was Israel’s plan all along; commit a heinous crime and then throw the ball in the US court. Of course the US will stand behind Israel and throw Turkey under the bus. They’re playing us like fools.

  7. william says:

    You’re right Frank. This is not the same Turkey that was admitted to NATO. The liberal/secular/western Turks have been out-bred by the rural/islamic Turks. The Kemalists, who gave women the right to vote, are slowly being over run by the Anatolian Turks.

    Erdogan has made clear that he no longer wants Turkey aligned with the West: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers.” and has decided Turkey would rather be friends with Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

  8. I meant in their relation to NATO. They have betrayed their commitment. Not that I blame them , entirely. Look at the game board:

    Obama vs Israel – noncommittal, bordering on hostile
    Obama vs Iran – Ineffectual

    Which way would you go?

    Pres Obama sure is changing US foreign policy, all right: From not so good, to f’n horrible.

  9. What relationship is that, CJ? You mean the Muslims that hate us, or the Muslims that don’t care if other Muslims hate us?

  10. Better we should back Turkey, and throw Israel under the bus, eh?

  11. The Dark Avenger says:

    No, Frank, it’s more important that whatever Israel does, no matter how outrageous, that we back them up at the expense of our own and other countries short and long-term interest.

  12. Zython says:

    Yes, M00zlims are a bunch of brown savages that hate us because we’re beautiful, right Zip? Grow up.

    Suggestion: Watch ‘Lawrence of Arabia.’

    Suggestion: Don’t base your political opinions on movies.

  13. Zython says:

    As a Jew, I would like to point out that ones stance on Israel doesn’t determine if one is an anti-semite or not. Take Frank, for example.

  14. cj says:

    It’s sad that you think all Muslims hate us, and that tells me you live in a small world.

  15. cj says:

    Also I guess you are okay with another country having a strong hold on our government…oh wait as long as their skin tone is like yours, right.

  16. cj says:

    “You people”? HA

    You really think Israel loves us? If they did, they would be putting their only ally in this type of situation.

  17. cj says:

    *wouldn’t be*

  18. The Dark Avenger says:

    I meant in their relation to NATO.

    The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO; pronounced /ˈneɪtoʊ/, NAY-toe); French: Organisation du traité de l’Atlantique Nord (OTAN)), also called “the (North) Atlantic Alliance”, is an intergovernmental military alliance based on the North Atlantic Treaty which was signed on 4 April 1949. The NATO headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium,[3] and the organization constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party.

    And how have the Turks not lived up to their role in NATO?

    Keep flailing, Frank, use that razor-sharp intellect to get yourself out of the ever-widening hole that you’ve just dug for yourself.

  19. Sean D. Martin says:

    And by all means, whichever side we’re on, let’s make sure that everything we say is in absolutes.

    Turkey or Israel?
    “ALL” of “them”.

    No middle grounds, no gray areas, no allowances for “some” of them.

  20. KXB says:

    How did Turkey betray their commitment? If anything, Turkey is within its rights to invoke the NATO charter, which defines an attack on one member of the alliance to be considered an attack on all. By failing to come to Turkey’s aid, it is the U.S. that has demonstrated that its commitments will only be recognized when they do not conflict with AIPAC’s skewed definition of American interest in the Middle East.

    Turkey certainly did not fail in their commitment when they warned us in 2003 of the dangers in invading Iraq. Unlike Israel, which said the invasion would be just dandy, but like in all our other fights, they would just be there for moral support.

    Israel has never contributed a fighting force to fight alongside the Americans. Turkey fought alongside the U.S. going as far back as the Korean War. Hell, U.S. servicemen in Iraq cannot go to Israel for shore leave. I guess the image of all those goyim and schwartzes hanging out on a Tel Aviv beach does not go down well with our Number 1 Ally.

  21. KXB says:

    Remember, Israelis share our values. Jim Crow values that is:

    From today’s NY Times:

    “Ultra-Orthodox Jews Protest Ruling”

    “Parents of European, or Ashkenazi, descent at a girls’ school in the West Bank settlement of Emanuel don’t want their daughters to study with schoolgirls of Mideast and North African descent, known as Sephardim.

    The Ashkenazi parents insist they aren’t racist, but want to keep the classrooms segregated, as they have been for years, arguing that the families of the Sephardi girls aren’t religious enough.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/06/17/world/middleeast/AP-ML-Israel-Segregated-School.html?_r=1&hp

  22. as long as their skin tone is like yours
    Both Israelis and Turks have dark skins. Save the accusations of racism for racists, and stop being a tool.

  23. I am waiting for a favorable view of Israel to come from one of you lefties. THEN you can tell me it isn’t all “black or white.”
    You are all so predictable. Pro-Israel folks are accused of being pro-Israel, right or wrong, when, in fact, you are all anti-Israel, right or wrong.
    Hypocrisy isn’t a good enough word – pure bullsh*t is what it is.

  24. The assumption on your part being that the Ashkenazi parents are lying about not being racist, an assumption that you are able to support with the following facts:

  25. The Dark Avenger says:

    I’m pro-American, Frank, that you see any criticism of Israeli behavior as “anti-Israeli” is your own bias showing.

    I’ll shock you to say that I’m pro-Israeli enough to say that they did the right thing in removing the land blockade of Gaza of food, medical and building supplies, perhaps they’ll realize that the blockade has only served Hamas, and not their own national interest.

    This is from Haaretzs, have you ever heard of it, Frank?

    The first panel debate at the “Democracy and its Challenges’” conference sponsored by the French Embassy in cooperation with Haaretz got off to a stormy start Monday morning, as the focus turned to the storming of a flotilla heading for Gaza, when at least 10 people were killed and dozens wounded.

    French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy opened the panel by expressing shock at the events, saying that he was “curious to hear” the comments of his co-panelist, Sports Minister Limor Livnat, on the issue.

    “I think the Israel I love, which I praised last night, the Israel I love so much, the Zionist and humane Israel that I love with all my heart, had other means to operate with regard to these boats,” Levy said. “I saw the IDF in action several times in my life. It is a unique army in its ideal of purity of arms. Until proven otherwise, I believe there were other ways of preventing them from entering Israeli territory, there were other ways of preventing what was clearly a provocation.”

    Levy said that inasmuch as Israel “deals with terrible enemies on a military level,” including Iran, it is losing the public relations battle to present its case.

    “…in the war of images, in the war of pictures and propaganda, it seems to me that the Israeli government that you represent is just losing this war,” Levy told Livnat. “They are destructive not only for the image of the government of Israel – this is of no importance; when democratic governments fail, they are replaced. The damage that concerns me is to the country to which I’m bound unconditionally. This seems more dangerous than a military failure.”

    You know how “Friends don’t let friends drive drunk?”

    By your lights, doing anything less than tossing the keys to
    your 2010 Escalade to a friend who is blind drunk and letting him drop off your parents on his way home isn’t being a friend.

    The assumption on your part being that the Ashkenazi parents are lying about not being racist

    They certainly act like racists, Frank:

    Israel’s ultra-Orthodox minority of some 650,000 Jews — just under 10 percent of the nation’s population — is an insular community that has been known to riot over the state’s intrusion into its affairs.

    Like the way Southerners didn’t like desegregation as a ‘state intrusion’ into their ‘affairs’, and were willing to turn to violence to preserve their ‘Southern Heritage’.

    Kthbaix, Frank.

  26. KXB says:

    Frank:
    The assumption on your part being that the Ashkenazi parents are telling the truth about not being racist, an assumption that you are able to support with the following facts:

    Nice game you got there. My dad had the same school of thought, “I’m not a racist, I just think that “X” would be better off living in another neighborhood.” Evidently, any action that does not involve a lynching cannot be racist.

  27. KXB says:

    You want facts? How about the findings of the Israeli court itself?

    “The court agreed, ruling last year that the practice was based on discrimination. Comparing the case to desegregation efforts in the American South in the 1950s, the court ordered the separation at the school to end.”
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-israel-school-20100618,0,6161614.story

    So, an Israeli court says the practice is racist, but you assure us it is not. The head of Israeli intelligence says that Israel is no longer a strategic asset to the U.S., but you and other Likudniks say it is.

  28. cj says:

    No sorry, you’re clearly the tool here.

  29. the court ordered the separation at the school to end
    I missed the part where they called them racist; perhaps you could point it to me.
    Second, I assume people are telling the truth, until there is some inidcation, of some kind, that they might not be telling the truth. You have supplied me with none.
    BTW, your reminiscences about your father are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay irrelevant.

    any action that does not involve a lynching cannot be racist.
    I disagree, but if that’s what you think ….

  30. Prodigal says:

    It’s almost amusing that a supporter of the Bush administration – the people who made it possible for Iran to make as much progress as it has toward achieving nuclear weapons technology by destroying the CIA operation tasked with preventing them from doing so – squawk about anybody else’s record where Iran is concerned.

  31. Zython says:

    Second, I assume people are telling the truth, until there is some inidcation, of some kind, that they might not be telling the truth.

    Now THAT, we know, is a lie.

  32. KXB says:

    Zython,

    I certainly hope you don’t expect Frank to show any degree of consistency.

  33. The idea that a number of people equal to exactly 10% of those who are either underinsured or uninsured will “needlessly die” unless Obamacare passes is unbelieveable. Therefore, it is on its face, possibly untrue. What I said was ( go read it again, since you went and found it you LoF * ) “I believe that is false. I didn’t say it was a lie, or that you lied. What I suggested was “You made that up, didn’t you ?”
    You later went and found another reference elsewhere, thus PROVING that you had made up the first figure.
    So once again, you have wasted my time and yours (unfortunately my time is more valuable than yours — because your time seems to have no value, if you can run all over Oliver’s blog looking for every statement I ever made) trying to prove, essentially, nothing.

    * Library of Frank

  34. Zython says:

    The idea that a number of people equal to exactly 10% of those who are either underinsured or uninsured will “needlessly die” unless Obamacare passes is unbelieveable.

    45 thousand is 10% of 43 million?

    You later went and found another reference elsewhere, thus PROVING that you had made up the first figure.

    By “made up”, you mean “misremembered”, right?

    * Library of Frank

    AKA Google.

    In fact, here’s another example of calling me a liar with no provocation.

    Face it, Frank, you’re a hypocritical scumbag.