Virginia Teabagger Threatens Civil War Over Health Care Reform
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“I want to be kicked off my insurance if I get cancer”-teabaggers
Meh.
If they wanna give secession another try, I say we let ‘em go this time.
“Forced down our throats”… where have I heard that before?
I doubt WalMart would give her the time off.
LOL – talking about civil war in the People’s Republic of Northern Virginia.
I just want to thank my parents for coming back to Illinois when I was 7 years old mainly because the stupidity and racism in Virginia was too much for them to take any more. 3 years behind the cotton curtain in the early 60′s was plenty.
In 2008 I was so happy and proud to see that Obama carried Virginia. I thought they had really moved into the 21st century. Apparently it was an oversight.
How do they keep finding so many Constitutional Law Scholars at the Teabagger rallies? Or are most Teabaggers so well educated? It’s truly remarkable.
But I thought scrotal enthusiasts (aka teabaggers) liked having “things shoved down their throats”…
The Teabaggers are welcome to move to Somalia. No evil health care there. Hell, no gun laws. Or working street-lights even!
Please wing-nuts, feel free to move there or to a religious-based society like Iran.
Boston Tea Party participants are tea baggers? I thought that was a historic event? Sorry but a revolt is coming in a state near you. We choose liberty not your tyranny and if leadds to secession…so be it 37 states are getting ready.
The Republican party is the party of morons with pitchforks.
I’m guessing these geniuses didn’t utter a fuckin peep when that crazy Socialist GW Bush championed and passed Medicare Part D.
I think that we liberals should praise Robert E. Lee for what he tried to do for the United States of America. With the South out of Congress, the USA could have done the right thing and passed much more just laws, overturning Dred Scott by act of Congress and abolishing slavery by statute or amendment nationwide. Then we could have brought the CSA to its knees economically, draining its people north and motivating the Underground Railroad like never before.
Confederate states would then have face a miserable choice: rejoin the USA or remain stuck in an unworkable, impoverished state with a heavy-handed federal government (which actually exercised MORE, not fewer, federal powers over Confederate states than the USA constitution allowed to Washington.)
Unfortunately, we can blame Grant’s armaments for the retrograde nature of our Congress today. I would love to be part of a republic that stopped at the Potomac and Ohio Rivers, and I do not regard the American South as “my nation” in the sense of “my people.” Indeed, I think we in the North have more in common culturally with our cousins on the other side of the St. Lawrence Seaway – even those in Quebec – than we do with residents of Mississippi or Arkansas or Texas. One nation indivisible, my ass; we already are divded and we may as well start pulling out the maps and some magic markers. If this be subversive make the most of it.
Bruce, I’m from the other side, conservative/libertarian and I do agree with you that there may be a time to where we both have to separate, we cannot live in the same house as a country anymore. Dr. Walter Williams made the point in 2000 where we might have to have succession since there are two basic viewpoints that are 180 degrees out of phase. I know A/C power theory, when you put two out of phase currents together, you get a big mess and that is where we are headed now. Heck, there are succession groups that would normally be at each other’s throats working together for this to happen. Dunno if it will get traction or not, but I would find it preferable than the alternative. You want the government in your life, I do not, I think this is the best way to achieve that.
I have never heard the case for northeastern intellectual elitism more concisely stated than it was just above, by Bruce. “I do not regard the American South as ‘my nation’ in the sense of ‘my people.’” And yet you are surprised when they feel the same way about you.
Disgusting.
Bruce, your first two paragraphs really happened, didn’t they? The South chose Door #2–remain separate in an impoverished hellhole.
Didn’t work out very well.
I would almost agree with this, Frank. The South does not speak with one mind, or one voice. It is dismaying that Southerners are portrayed they way they are. However, I don’t particularly have a lot of sympathy, when they seem to be the spring board for a lot of nutty groups.
Look at the woman in the video: She is basically saying that an armed insurrection may be necessary to prevent the government to provide some subsidized health care. That tells me that this is empty and angry rhetoric said easily but with no actual intention to follow through, or that this lady is such a time bomb that the leprechauns in her head are urging her to kill for the glory of America. I suppose you can hear that rhetoric in San Francisco somewhere, but I seem to hear it more in the South. Why do you think that is?
I think she is spot on and I grew up in California. I would rather see the nation split than be forced, coerced, and imposed on by a tyrannical progressive government.
No where in The Constitution does it give the federal government the right to regulate health care and impose it on the entire country. It’s a states rights issue. If Mass. wants socialized medicine, I’m fine with that. I have the choice and the freedom not live there. When the federal government imposes it on me, I lose all choice and freedom. That isn’t liberty, that’s tyranny.
I would rather die on my feet than be forced to live on my knees because the political elitist think they know what’s best for me.
Don’t tread on me!
Why do you think that is?
Do you expect me to say there is something wrong with people who inhabit a particular geographic location?
The best answer I can provide you with is to be found in Richard Weaver’s The Southern Tradition At Bay. He calls the South the last non-materialist civilization.
Although the original concept of states’ rights* was meant to be protected in America by the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution, it was trampled underfoot during Reconstruction, and tossed in the trash during the New Deal. Individual liberty, self-reliance , preservation of tradition, all these were ideals, values worth preserving in the South, and cast aside in the Industrialized North.
* And don’t even bother me with “states’ rights = segregation”; I am not interested.
You want the government in your life, I do not.
Have you considered moving to Somalia?
Ah, Dr. Walter Williams, Rush Limbaugh sub and Global Warming denialist. Good choice for a guru–after all, he’s a Dr.!
Hey man, good luck with the succession. I have a few questions though. Why didn’t a succession happen in 2000 as the Good Dr. thought it might? How would you pick sides for a succession? Would Liberal Elites, the highly educated, scientists, and smarty pants intellectuals be on one side, and Real American Sarah Palin Rally Goers, Teabaggers, Glenn Beck followers, and assorted ilk on the other? How would you envision a succession going down? What land would you set aside for your succession? If the succession doesn’t go so well for you, I guess you could always Go Galt to Somalia as Alan suggested. It’s a Libertarian Eden there–no pesky government at all to take away your guns or any of your God-given Freedoms or interfere with Medicare or anything! I mean, if Teh Succession doesn’t work out for you.
Oh, and thanks for sharing A/C Power Theory with us. Wise and insightful. Like Teh Succession.
If Mass. wants socialized medicine, I’m fine with that. I have the choice and the freedom not live there. When the federal government imposes it on me, I lose all choice and freedom. That isn’t liberty, that’s tyranny.
Um, I’m not positive, but I’m pretty sure that as with Mass., you don’t have to live in the United States if you don’t care for all the tyranny. As suggested up-thread, you could emigrate to government-free Somalia. Happy trails!
I would rather die on my feet than be forced to live on my knees because the political elitist think they know what’s best for me.
Good luck with the martyrdom! Don’t the consequences of democratic elections hit you in the ass on the way out! Toodles!
Don’t tread on me!
Whoa! Stern words in a from an anonymous blog commenter! I, for one, am impressed. Are you a Tough Guy?
To be honest, I wasn’t expecting anything. To hear that the South is somehow some sort of moral bastion is sort of novel, however. I don’t find it to be particularly true of them, any more so than other regions of America, or the planet for that matter. And I don’t see such values being disregarded outside the South. The main difference seems to be that they are prone to loudly proclaim themselves to have these qualities, while at the same time exhibiting the opposite behavior.
Of course you’re not interested. Because “states rights = segregation” (and before that, slavery) is an uncomfortable truth that you don’t want to face.
I’m just about ready for that. The South has been a dragging sea-anchor for the entire history of the country — why not cut them loose?
But no, not quite ready to say “Goodbye and good luck”, because too many decent people (some of them in my family) live there, and they would suffer right along with the fools — maybe more so, because they would understand WHY everything was turning to shit around them.
Although the original concept of states’ rights* was meant to be protected in America by the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution, it was trampled underfoot during Reconstruction,
And why was that?
As I recall, there was a certain disagreement that grew into a rather unpleasant squabble. How’d that work out for the “states’ rights” crowd?
Holy moley, Frank!
A couple of weeks ago, you gave an approving cite to the von Mises Institute and now you’re going on about the horrors of Reconstruction?!?
Quaker , I don’t recall any endorsement of any kind of the von Mises Institute . I merely quoted a statement of theirs I believed to be true – much like you quote those chowderheads who believe in global warming.
As for States Rights , I refer you to the two Amendments themselves. Once Federal troops occupied the South after the Civil War — whatever their mission — they were in violation of both of those amendments. Once the Government claimed that the “commerce clause” superseded those two Amendments, those two Amendments were, for all intents and purposes, dead.
I am not concerned with whether or not that upsets you. You should be wondering why it does not.
No where in The Constitution does it give the federal government the right to regulate health care and impose it on the entire country.
Apparently you haven’t read the Preamble, which states that one of the purposes of the Constitution is to “…promote the general welfare…to ourselves and our posterity.”
If public health care “promote[s] the general welfare,” then the Constitution does indeed give government that right.
Quaker , I don’t recall any endorsement of any kind of the von Mises Institute . I merely quoted a statement of theirs I believed to be true
Haw!!
Once Federal troops occupied the South after the Civil War — whatever their mission — they were in violation of both of those amendments. Once the Government claimed that the “commerce clause” superseded those two Amendments, those two Amendments were, for all intents and purposes, dead.
And once again you’re forgetting that little unpleasantness that preceded the occupation. As for your bemoaning the death of those Amendments, congratulations. You’ve finally entered the last half of the 19th century.
What is up with liberals telling people to move to another country? I think a better argument would be that if anyone should move to another country it should be those liberals who want to pass unconstitutional mandates. Go find a country where they allow these things. In America, we don’t allow such things.
"How’d that work out for the “states’ rights” crowd?"
Again, liberals show their
sophisticatedbrute mentality. Apparently, might makes right.I may be a liberal, but given all the rancor, angry rhetoric, death threats and calls for insurrection, i keep wondering if it might have been more productive and a lot less destructive for the federal govt. simply to give the individual states a lot of no-strings, cold, hard cash and let them work out their own healthcare plans. That way, states’ independence would be preserved, and there would be a diverse group of 50 healthcare laboratories testing different things out to see how various innovations work. Texas might learn from my own home state of California, and vice versa.
I think Milton Friedman proposed something like this in the very early 1980s.
What do you think?
Listening to these arrogant libs posting here and elsewhere, yeah, there’s going to be a fight.
To the ones suggesting moving to Somalia, Europe already is disintegrating in the way you prefer. Why don’t YOU move THERE.
ACTUALLY, ALLOWING THE TEABAGGERS TO MOVE TO SOMALIA WOULD BE RIGHT UP THEIR ALLEY. COLONIALISM IN THE 21ST CENTURY AND ALL ITS GLORY. THEY WOULD DO WELL, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, APARTHEID, ETC….. PERHAPS WE SHOULD ALSO SEND THE NOUVOO LEGION WITH THEM.
I WOULD CONTEST THE IDEA OF SUCCESSION, AMERICA IS NOT AN ELECTRIC CURRENT, SO THAT THEORY HOLDS NO WATER WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING. AMERICA’S ABILITY TO ARGUE WITHOUT “MASSIVE BLOODSHED”, I EMPHASIS ON “MASSIVE BLOODSHED”, BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE CAPABLE OF A FEW DEATHS HERE AND THERE, BUT OVERALL WE DO COME BACK TOGETHER TO WORK THINGS OUT (NOT PERFECT, GRANTED. BUT WORKABLE). THE SAD FACT, IS THAT MOST ARGUEMENTS THESE DAYS ARE BASELESS EMOTIONALLY CHARGED RHETORIC. WE SHOULD ALWAYS ALLOW SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS TO PLAY OUT. BUT NEVER DECLARE ABSOLUTISM, JUST BECAUSE WE DID’NT GET OURWAY. NO MATTER WHAT POLITICAL PARTY OR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION ONE IDENTIFIES WITH.