Conservative Disinformation Watch

3:18 am EST March 9th, 2010 | Politics | 15 Comments

Conservatives have a vested interest in health care reform not passing, of course, but they’re repeating a weird tactic from last November. Keep claiming that Democrats don’t have the votes. They don’t base this on anything but their hopes, but there they go, just repeating ad nauseam that the bill doesn’t have the votes to pass.

My guess is, based on Pelosi’s track record she’ll get the votes, and in the senate there are apparently enough votes (50) for passage. Now Washington has to actually do it, but conservatives will keep pushing – in the infowar – the idea that Dems don’t have the votes.

Weird.

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15 Responses to “Conservative Disinformation Watch”

  1. Jaim says:
    March 9, 2010 at 4:17 am

    Given what we don’t know about Stupak and his attempt to outlaw health care for women, it might be possible she doesn’t have the votes.

    Lots of inside baseball.

  2. SaveFarris says:
    March 9, 2010 at 8:43 am

    They don’t base this on anything but their hopes

    … and Wexler’s and Abercrombie’s retirements.
    … and Murtha’s death.
    … and Cao’s disavowal.
    … and Stupak.
    … and Lipinski.

    Sounds like the only one here “hoping” is you.

  3. Frank DiSalle says:
    March 9, 2010 at 8:50 am

    I’m curious about this “vested interest”… Another stereotype? Which one?

    “Conservatives value profits over human life”?

    Oh, and Jaim, if you think abortion is “health care” , you’re a sick bastard.

  4. Zython says:
    March 9, 2010 at 9:13 am

    I’m curious about this “vested interest”… Another stereotype?

    Well, if it IS a “stereotype”, it’s an accurate one. Just ask Bill Kristol.

    [T]he long-term political effects of a successful Clinton health care bill will be even worse–much worse. It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for “security” on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

    Oh, and Jaim, if you think abortion is “health care” , you’re a sick bastard.

    1. That insult doesn’t exactly carry alot of weight coming from you.

    2. Why not? It’s a perfectly legal medical procedure.

  5. The Dark Avenger says:
    March 9, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Frank DiSalle, anyone who still belongs to an organization that has employed and protected child molesters in the past has a lot of nerve telling others that they are a sick bastard.

  6. inverseliberal says:
    March 9, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Just what I expect from the tea-partiers!

    After a year of democrat majorities in the house, senate and owning the white house, and still not passing the President’s signature piece of legislation, those nutty republicans are claiming we don’t have the votes to pass health care reform!

    Crazy talk, from the crazy party!

  7. mambochicken23 says:
    March 9, 2010 at 11:23 am

    I’m curious about this “vested interest”… Another stereotype? Which one?

    First off, I think that it’s clear that you don’t know what the word “stereotype” means. Open a fucking dictionary.

    Second: Jim DeMint.

  8. Frank DiSalle says:
    March 9, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Bill Kristol from 1993 ? an interesting historical piece , but totally irrelevant.

    Amputation of a limb is also a perfectly legal medical procedure — that doesn’t mean it is also “health care.”

    Dark Avenger : The Catholic Church is not a club that leave buy not paying your dues for a few months. If you knew anything at all about it, you would know that a Catholic is a Catholic for life. And I do not defend, support nor am I in any way associated with child molestation.

    Mambo, shut the fuck up.

  9. mambochicken23 says:
    March 9, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Amputation of a limb is also a perfectly legal medical procedure — that doesn’t mean it is also “health care.”

    Nonsense. Of course it is. If you have a gangrenous leg, or a severely frostbitten hand, you don’t think that it’s “health care” to have a doctor amputate it for you?

    What the fuck are you talking about, Frank?

    What an idiot.

    And I do not defend, support nor am I in any way associated with child molestation.

    Not true.

    Mambo, shut the fuck up.

    Nah.

  10. The Dark Avenger says:
    March 9, 2010 at 11:52 am

    If you knew anything at all about it, you would know that a Catholic is a Catholic for life. And I do not defend, support nor am I in any way associated with child molestation.

    Every time you go into a church or donate a cent to the RCC, you are associated with an organization that has yet to come completely clean about its’ own involvement in protecting and covering up child molesters within the RCC hierarchy.

    Deal with it.

  11. Frank DiSalle says:
    March 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Mambo, what if you have nothing wrong with your leg? Then is amputation health care?

    That, of course, refers to discretionary abortions, where the woman either cares not to be pregnant, or cares not to have a child, and kills it to solve the problem.

    Even if you were so blind and misinformed as to believe that a fetus is not alive, you still can’t defend a discretionary abortion as health care.

    And also, to prevent the federal government from funding abortions shows respect to those people who believe it is killing, and does not deny them the right to an abortion,, and it most certainly does not deny any other form of health care.

    And the Dark Avenger may believe in guilt by association , but that is his problem to deal with, not mine. And also, why would I give up my right to call a sick bastard a sick bastard , even if I were somehow guilty by association?

    You guys are so wrapped up in codewords, buzzwords, cliches and stereotypical thinking, you can’t even carry on a conversation, let alone a debate.

  12. mambochicken23 says:
    March 9, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Mambo, what if you have nothing wrong with your leg? Then is amputation health care?

    You didn’t add that qualifier before.

    Listen, Frank, this might surprise you – but I don’t disagree with you here. I wouldn’t put it so strongly as to say that I agree with you, necessarily, but I am okay with health care reform legislation that does not open up federal funding for discretionary abortions.

    That being said, I do not support any pillar of legislation that restricts the ability for a woman to get an abortion beyond the status quo. The Stupak amendment would have done so. A compromise, where federal money does not go towards discretionary abortion, but the availability of abortion is not strengthened nor weakened, is fine.

    One point where I’m sure we would have an argument is regarding what constitutes a “discretionary” abortion. I’m quite certain that your definition includes a greater number of specific examples than mine does. But this is something of a tangent to the main conversation.

    You guys are so wrapped up in codewords, buzzwords, cliches and stereotypical thinking, you can’t even carry on a conversation, let alone a debate.

    Generic non-sequitur. And look in the mirror.

  13. The Dark Avenger says:
    March 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Dark Avenger may believe in guilt by association , but that is his problem to deal with, not mine.

    No, as I stated earlier, if you engage in activities and/or donations to your local parish which is part of the RCC, you’re directly benefiting the same organization which has only cleaned up it’s problem with child molestation when it comes to light, not because they believe in the following from their alleged founder:

    But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea

    If you knew anything at all about it, you would know that a Catholic is a Catholic for life.

    My great-grandparents on my mothers’ side were rich Catholic laypeople who lived in China before WWII, so I know more about being Catholic than you might think.

    Also, theologically isn’t the same as practically, Henry VIII of England was baptised a Catholic, yet I think few historians would argue that he was still considered a Catholic when he died.

    But I digress, not as pathetically as you do sometimes.

    I also know that my grandfather, their son, told be about how in the early 30s he went to pick up a younger brother from a catechism class and found him stripped down to his underware with a priest in the same room with him. What became of that priest I don’t know, except that he wasn’t at that particular parish the next day.

    Anyhoo, if you were secure in your faith you wouldn’t be flipping out and getting angry over what a bunch of strangers here on Olivers’ website or asserting yet again your opposition to abortion for the upteenth time in case we didn’t get the message already.

  14. Zython says:
    March 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Bill Kristol from 1993 ? an interesting historical piece , but totally irrelevant.

    How the hell is it irrelevant? It’s the same damn issue we’re discussing today, and Bill Kristol is still, sadly, relevant. Or are you claiming that nothing that happened 17 or more years ago matters?

  15. Dr. Psycho says:
    March 10, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Abortion is health care.