Tea Party Speaker Calls For Hanging Of Sen. Patty Murray
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Jake Spoon was a fictional character, Oliver.
So were Gus McCrae and Woodrow Call.
Great, great characters and a gut-wrenching scene- but solely from the brilliant imagination of Larry McMurtry and nothing more.
Terrrible example from this lady, even worse English, but I think Patty Murray is safe from a group of cattle herders hanging her from a tree. Dave Neiwert being Dave Neiwert.
Ever time I think the trolls here can’t top themselves in their race to write The Stupidest Thing Ever, one of them goes and does it.
Congratulations, Dennis, you’ve set a new record: If you express a real desire to hang a real person, but use an image from a fictional story to illustrate your desire, than your real desire itself becomes fictional. Indeed, you and all your very real comments cease to exist.
Brilliant.
Tell me in your brilliance, fafaroo, just how it is you think this woman and her posse are going to pull off the hanging of a US Senator, especially now that she has revealed her intentions to the world? Should Ms. Murray have all the trees on her property cut down just in case they come knocking on her door in the dead of night with torches and rope?
You’re a chicken little if ever there was one, I swear.
Dennis, do you think it’s healthy for the rank-and-file tea party-goer to hear this discussed in positive terms? Even if the speaker herself isn’t serious?
‘Banality of evil’ ring a bell?
You’re right Dennis. It’s totally okay to threaten the life of a politician in public because killing someone is just really hard to do. Especially if you’re expressing a sincere desire to hang someone to a large angry crowd. Hanging someone is just so impractical. What is that angry mob you’ve just incited supposed to do?
It’s just really hard to hang politicians so of course it’s totally cool to go around inciting mobs of people by threatening to do just that.
No. Parthy, I don’t. It was a stupid thing for her to say. The only thing rivaling her in stupidity, though, is what Neiwert said. These kinds of things are what he gets up in the morning and puts his boots on to go do though I guess- warn all the US Senators out there to beware of marauding gangs who want to hang them from the nearest tree.
Hey, Dennis, why don’t you write a letter about how much you want to see Obama hung from a tree and then mail it to the White House?
Good luck with the secret service when you tell them, “C’mon, sure I really want to see Obama hanging from a rope but we all know there aren’t any good hanging trees on the White House lawn. So what’s the problem?”
It was a stupid thing for her to say.
Dennis, now please explain to us exactly why it was a stupid thing to say.
You know, fafaroo, since you’re such a stickler for exact wording, an admirable quality I’ll admit, what she said was ““How many of you have watched the movie Lonesome Dove?,” “What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd? What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd.He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray.”
A reference to a scene from a work of fiction and a personal desire only for her to be able to do something; not the whole crowd. Do you really think that constitutes eliminationist rhetoric? And do you really consider that inciting mobs of people, as you incorrectly described it both literally and figuratively?
It’s no different than someone saying that if she were a nurse in a hospital room with Dick Cheney and he looked like he was going into cardiac arrest with no one else around, that she might consider waiting a few moments before she got out the paddles or called in for the cardiolist. Even if were the blogger everyone here is encouraging me to become, I’d have a really hard time making that a blog entry and calling it inciting other nurses to do that if the opportunity ever arises or describing it as “Violent eliminationist rhetoric like this is part and parcel of
right-wingleft-wing extremism, so this is simply another manifestation of the growing extremism of theTea Partyprogressive movement.Maybe you’re a fan of chicken little bloggers, but I think this guy is a certifiable nutcase who seriously needs to reexamine his current life mission.
This is what they say in public
You mean you really want me to send a letter stating that I’d like to hang a black guy? You think there is something humorous about that, fafaroo?
Either you yourself are a closet racist or you’re taking it even further down the paranoia trail than Neiwert did by calling this a serious racial incident. From a reference to a famous fictional scene and a stupid remark about something she’d like to do to a Caucasian sitting US Senator which could never happen in a million years, to your taking it to some kind of dog whistle racial call to action against the black President. What a wild imagination you have, Ms. Little.
You think there is something humorous about that, fafaroo?
Either you yourself are a closet racist
Holy shit, you can’t make this stuff up. Dennis, you get stupider EVERY DAY. I seem to remember a long while back when you used to make halfway reasonable comments, but that was back in the before-time, in the long long ago.
How old are you, Dennis? You experiencing age-related cognitive decline, like our friend Frank? Or have you suffered brain damage over the last year or two? Seriously, get it checked out.
I’ll wait for fafaroo’s reply first before I address that, mambo. But for now, 95% of your posts say nothing other than you think the previous person and his post is stupid.
1) I’d like to see you back up that 95% claim.
2) If you and your conservative buddies on this board would stop saying idiotic things like, “It’s not a big deal if you threaten the life of a public servant, as long as you use a fictional example as an analogy.” What response am I supposed to have to that, other than, “Holy fuck, you are an idiot.”
3) Seriously, quit being stupid.
Not wanting to lose my reputation for exactitude, let help you out here, Dennis:
Dennis, 95 percent of your posts are, on their face, stupid.
You mean you really want me to send a letter stating that I’d like to hang a black guy? You think there is something humorous about that, fafaroo?
Yes, Dennis. I really do. I really want you to test your own theory that the Secret Service would just laugh and blow off your expressed desire to see the president killed by hanging.
Mail the letter, Dennis. Based on your brilliant logic I’m sure the Secret Service would just laugh this threat off. “Ha ha,” they’d say. “There’s no way this guy with his rope could ever get near the president, let alone drag him all the way to a tree! It’s just too funny to take seriously so let’s not follow up on this.”
To be extra safe, though, Dennis, be sure to reference some fictional hanging to illustrate what you’d like to do to Obama. Then, I’m sure, the Secret Service would understand that your direct threat to the life of the president was just the harmless public musings of an aspiring author and not those of a dangerous nut.
mambo fashions himself as a highly educated enlightened liberal possessing superior intellect, fafaroo. Much as you, as a matter of fact. You state your reasons, wrong as they are. mambo just says ‘God, you are so stupid’.
Neither one of you has the intellect to understand the point or why the person said what he said, but at least you attempt to attack if from your usual far-left liberal viewpoint mambo rarely does even that, he just states that the guy is stupid and he expects all the readers of his superior intellect to render it as such, that if they don’t understand why he calls the previous post stupid, then they must be stupid too.
And what is up with your call for me to write a letter to the White House telling them I want to hang the black President? What was your implication with that one, pray tell?
What was your implication with that one, pray tell?
That you’re an idiot.
Dennis, you’re trying to say that making an analogy to a fictional scene in publicly stating one’s desire to string up a public servant somehow makes it okay. You’re also saying that because it would be exceedingly unlikely that anyone would be able to hang this public servant, it’s not a big deal.
Simultaneously, you’re on a different thread claiming that I am misogynistic because I referred to Bush’s foolish choice for SC justice, Harriet Myers, as a “cleaning lady.” And you are outraged!
Stark contrast. Public desire to have a legislator hanged? “Eh.” A comment on a blog referring to a lawyer as a cleaning lady? “OUTRAGEOUS!”
The only thing that matters to you is whether the person expressing the sentiment agrees with you. You are a fucking hack.
It was a stupid thing to say because this person who we don’t even know the name of has no clue that what she said could be taped and that there are loons like Neiwert and bloggers like Oliver that will post it to their blogs and use it as an example to make ludicrous claims like Neiwert did and equally ludicrous blog titles like Oliver did. She had no clue that idiots like jr would say idiotic things like “This is what they say in public.”, that all three of them, and you, would use it to smear all people who attend tea parties are the kinds of people who would openly call for the hanging of US Senators. She has no clue that Neiwert would exploit her in order to sell even just one copy of his conspiracy-theory laden book and make it appear that his ‘Teabaggers are all extremely dangerous eliminationists’ fantasies are somewhat justified.
But what she said wasn’t as stupid as what you encouraged me to do with the black president, fafaroo. Not nearly as stupid.
It was a stupid thing to say because this person who we don’t even know the name of has no clue that what she said could be taped …”
Wow. So expressing a desire in public to hang a public official is actually A-Okay with you. You have no problem whatsoever with threatening the lives of public officials. None.
The only reason why you think what she was stupid, was because she allowed her remarks to be recorded.
This is a pretty remarkable position in itself but you do realize, Dennis, that you’ve have now expressed on a blog, for all to see, that it’s okay to threaten the lives of public officials as long as your words can’t be recorded and posted on a blog?
Stupid is as stupid does.
Simultaneously, you’re on a different thread claiming that I am misogynistic because I referred to Bush’s foolish choice for SC justice, Harriet Myers, as a “cleaning lady.” And you are outraged!
I’m not outraged that what you said was definitely misogynistic; I’m just stating fact. I’d say that to anyone who said the same thing you said no matter what their political leanings.
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A comment on a blog referring to a lawyer as a cleaning lady? “OUTRAGEOUS!”
See, mambo, this is where you are dishonest with me and with everyone else with the unfortunate curiosity to read your ramblings. The comment was not just A comment on a blog referring to a lawyer as a cleaning lady, it was a comment on a blog referring to a woman lawyer as a cleaning lady.
If you can’t see that, you are nowhere near the intellect you champion yourself as. And if you believe it wasn’t demeaning to this woman in a misogynistic way, ask anyone else here if they agree with you. Ask Oliver if Don Imus’ cleaning lady comment was not both racist and misogynistic.
it was a comment on a blog referring to a woman lawyer as a cleaning lady.
…really? This is your argument?
It wouldn’t have made any sense for me to call Bush’s nominee a “cleaning lady” if Harriet Myers was a man, would it?
If it were a man, I could have just as easily said “janitor.”
For someone who accuses liberals of irresponsibly seeing racism everywhere, you’re making a mountain out of a molehill on this topic. Not even a molehill… more like flat fucking earth.
Dodge.
Tell me, though, do you believe from what she said that this is an accurate statement:
Tea Party Speaker Calls For Hanging Of Sen. Patty Murray?
Do you think it’s even close to an accurate statement given what this anonymous lady said?
I repeat: You are a fucking hack, Dennis. Political points at the expense of consistency and rationality. Good work.
It was a slur against women. However ill you think of her as a professional, the fact is she achieved a great deal to get to the point where she did, and calling her a cleaning lady is demeaning and was meant as a slur against her achievement.
Again, ask yourself if Gwen Ifill had reason to be insulted by Imus’ comment as being not only racist, but as a knock against her as a professional woman?
Ah yes, very good! We’re getting somewhere now.
An insult to her achievements? Yes, I can see that.
An insult to her AS A WOMAN? A misogynistic comment? No, not at all. I could and would have made the same comment if she were a man.
Thank you, Dennis, for seeing the truth of the matter. You’re still a hack though.
Dodge.
Really? I dodged your questions? You wrote:
And I said:
As to whether there’s any humor in it, as I said, I think we should leave that up to the Secret Service. Based on your comments here in this thread, you seem to think they’ll find such a letter hilarious.
But I guess we’ll never find out what they think because we both know you’re not gonna write and mail a letter like that ever. And I think we both know why: Because you know damn well that the secret service would never consider a letter like that to be harmless venting no matter how many times you referenced Lonesome Dove. I think that’s a better example of a “dodge,” Dennis. Don’t you?
For that matter, the woman in this video should probably prepare herself from a knock at the door sometime soon. We’ll see. If only she hadn’t allowed herself to be videotaped, the secret service would never have known that she wants to hang Obama.
And, yes, Dennis, Oliver’s headline is misleading. She did not “call” for someone to hang Murray. She clearly and explicitly says that she wants to do it herself.
We’ll see. If only she hadn’t allowed herself to be videotaped, the secret service would never have known that she wants to hang Obama.
Meaning Murray. Would it be the secret service that laughs off this delightful recounting of a great scene from Lonesome Dove or would be something law enforcement agency that gets a chuckle from this clever use of literary allusion?
Wow. So expressing a desire in public to hang a public official is actually A-Okay with you. You have no problem whatsoever with threatening the lives of public officials. None.
The only reason why you think what she was stupid, was because she allowed her remarks to be recorded.
You make fantastic leaps of logic, fafaroo. Coming from someone who champions himself such a stickler for accuracy in everything anyone said or any claim made by anyone, you are guilty of fabrications and mis-characterizations yourself. Otherwise you wouldn’t have to start your sentence out with “So”…. It’s not A-okay with me to express a desire in public to hang a public official, and I do have a problem with threatening the lives of public officials. Just because I stated why she was stupid doesn’t mean that was the only reason she was stupid. I just don’t think she called for the hanging of Patty Murray nor was she inciting a mob to do it, nor did she say that as described by Dave Neiwert, as part of an eliminationist strategy speaking for all Tea Partiers.
This is a pretty remarkable position in itself but you do realize, Dennis, that you’ve have now expressed on a blog, for all to see, that it’s okay to threaten the lives of public officials as long as your words can’t be recorded and posted on a blog?
First you made a leap of your own logic and pre-supposed that I claimed something I didn’t. Then in the next paragraph you claim that this is definitely my position. Pretty slick of you. Pretty sleazy, but pretty slick. You do exactly the same thing you would spend countless hours railing on me that that was what David Freddoso did when you argued that he tarnished RFK, Jr. with words he didn’t say and led the reader into a conclusion that was not the case that RFK, Jr. made.
Double standards, hypocrisy and leaps of logic in an effort to misrepresent are your forte, you just don’t like to admit it.
It’s not A-okay with me to express a desire in public to hang a public official, and I do have a problem with threatening the lives of public officials.
But why, Dennis? Why is not okay to express a desire in public to hang a public official?
I’d say for grins, we should follow this story, but there won’t be anything to follow even if the Secret Service or the prevailing law enforcement were keeping an eye on her. My personal guess is someone may call and ask her a couple of questions now that the nutroots have made political hay out of it enough to get 10,000 chicken little loons to call in the authorities, but it dies right after that or they’ll do enough reporting on it for CYA in the off-chance she ends up doing something violent later on.
OT, but Gus McCrae is my all-time favorite character, both the book and Duvall’s portrayal. When he told Jake Spoon “You know how it works Jake, you ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw. I’m sorry you crossed the line. ” and then signalled for the horse to take off from underneath him, I went “Holy shit” knowing how good friends they used to be. This dumb lady’s bastardization of that scene is almost a crime in itself.
My personal guess is someone may call and ask her a couple of questions now that the nutroots have made political hay out of it enough to get 10,000 chicken little loons to call in the authorities, but it dies right after that or they’ll do enough reporting on it for CYA in the off-chance she ends up doing something violent later on.
Let me try to understand you, Dennis.
Neiwart does not think it’s okay for her to say what she said.
You do not think it’s okay for her say what she said.
So you and Newart in agreement on that point: She should not have said what she said because it is not okay to express a desire in public to hang a public official.
Neiwart has an explanation for why he believes her words are not okay. He feels that it is Violent eliminationist rhetoric that could lead to Violent eliminationist behavior.
You obviously disagree with Neiwart’s reason for why what she said was wrong. Fine.
Tell us your reason for it was wrong for her to say it.
You’re saying that it was no okay for her to say what she said but that Neiwart was making too big a deal out of it. Is that it?
Because you seem to agree with Neiwart that it was not okay for her to say this.
If that’s accurate, could you please just explain why you believe it was not ok
But why, Dennis? Why is not okay to express a desire in public to hang a public official?
I don’t know if what she said is a crime or not, but it’s just well outside the bounds of decency to make that kind of proclamation even in private. In public, far worse.
To be honest, I thought what Keith Olbermann said about Hillary Clinton was out of the bounds of decency when he said “Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.“, but I don’t think it was a call to have her beaten up or worse, and I don’t think he was being an eliminationist. He was just being the misogynistic pig that he is and an idiot. I don’t think he got any phone calls from the Secret Service or was monitored by them afterward. And unlike you, I never accused anyone who defended what he said as just Keith saying something idiotic like he does every night, that they were saying it was A-ok to state in public one’s desire to have a public official beaten silly or killed like Keith alluded to.
What Keith Olbermann said about Hillary Clinton was no different than what this lady said and and got 1,000x more exposure even before it became an issue, but unless you were a fervent Hillary supporter at the time she was running close to even with Barack Obama, you kept pretty mum about that one. Why is that, fafaroo? Unless there’s a thread on this blog that doesn’t come up in a search, I can’t see where anyone said anything close to what you, Oliver, Neiwert, or jr have said about this unknown, anonymous wacko lady.
Strange that, huh?
Neiwert makes the wildly fantastic case that this is a call to have her killed and that this is what the desire is for her to do, to signal to the crowd and all tea partiers to go commit violent acts of murder, to elminate public officials. I’m not saying this accurately but, I don’t believe someone smart enough to make a sort of dog whistle to go out and have Patty Murray killed would do it by invoking a scene from Lonesome Dove first. If you think her audience it that dumb that that kind of allusion is enough to get them to commit murder, then they’d surely be too dumb to pick up the novel and read it-just seeing that it was a Pulitzer prize winner would be a huge turn-off for them, too. This is a case of you wanting to have it both ways again- the dog-whistler is genius master mind-controller even though she’s an idiot, and her subjects are idiots lemmings who could be induced into committing murders, but smart enough to recount a scene from novel enough to know just what the hell she was talking about even though she completely bastardized it. Just too many gyrations of logic for even you, fafaroo.
You agreed with me that Oliver’s statement was inaccurate even though you have no words of disappointment to him as you would if a conservative had done the same thing, but when he said ‘Tea Party Speaker Calls For Hanging Of Sen. Patty Murray’ but if the offense was so wrong there’d be no need to make that leap like he does. It misleads the reader, and he has told me in no uncertain terms that that is a horrible thing to do, as have you.
What Keith Olbermann said about Hillary Clinton was no different than what this lady said and and got 1,000x more exposure even before it became an issue
Except that Olbermann apologized the next night because he has the guts to admit when he makes a mistake.
Just like I’m doing so now, posting as though you were a rational person who doesn’t play “Look, over there” when the topic is conservative behavior that is basically indefensable, as in the present case.
I’m not saying this accurately but, I don’t believe someone smart enough to make a sort of dog whistle to go out and have Patty Murray killed would do it by invoking a scene from Lonesome Dove first.
First of all, Dennis, an allusion to Loneseome Dove makes perfect sense because she’s trying to evoke a romanticized vision of the Old West in which people took justice into their own hands. It’s a perfect image if you see yourself in such ennobled terms.
Saying “But it’s fiction!” isn’t the point. She’s evoking a certain image of American frontiers people that reflects exactly how her audience, indeed the Tea Party movement, in general sees itself: “Let’s take back our country from these hornswoggling politicians!”
Second, you keep saying that what she said was stupid, that it was not okay and that it was outside the bounds of decency but you have yet to actually explain why.
Why is it outside the bounds of decency to express a desire to hang someone?
Neiwart says it’s because such violence eliminationist rhetoric can lead to violent eliminationist behavior.
There’s no question she employed violence imagery to express an eliminationist opinion: She wants to hang, and thus eliminate through violence, her political opponent.
And while she did not call on her audience to hang Murray, she certainly expressed the desire that Murray be hung. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a distinction without a difference.
Now, Dennis, could take a minute and try to explain why it’s so outside the bounds of decency to express your desire to kill your political opposition at a political rally?
You can’t just keep saying that her statement was stupid or indecent because it was stupid or indecent.
Why was is it stupid and indecent?
If you think my first post on this thread was ‘look over there’, then tell all the commenters to stop ‘looking over there’ and being so interested that they’d reply and ask questions about what was ‘over there’.
But Dark Avenger, Keith Olbermann apologized by excusing it as ‘just a metaphor’.
I am assuming you are defending him because he apologized and somehow that makes it better makes it different than this lady, who you have no idea if she has apologized or clarified. If she came out tomorrow and said she was just using a metaphor like Keith did, that she meant no harm and certainly meant for no one to take that as a call for murder, would you be as forgiving as you were Keith’s call for physical harm or murder?
Somehow I doubt it.
That’s not ‘look over there’. You’re just a hypocrite.
Because I just don’t believe in saying crap like that. I don’t mind retaliating against you guys here in print but I never call anyone names that I know personally and I never express a desire to see anyone hurt in any manor, not even people I can’t stand. I just think it’s low class and an admission that someone doesn’t think before they speak.
I don’t know how what she said is any more a call to violence or eliminationist than what KO said about Hillary and apologized by saying it was merely a metaphor. What this dopey lady said was more of a metaphor than what he said and even Hillary supporters accepted his apology and his excuse. I don’t see where OW made a comment calling Olby’s statement a call to murder her and I haven’t been able to find a comment on it from Niewert, but if I do, I’ll let you know. I’m close friends with a blogger over there and I do remember fighting with the loons there about something similar with a point made about Dick Cheney, that several of them would be happy if he had been killed in Iraq one time he was there and a bomb went off close by. My friend came on and said she wished him no harm, but she had to admit if something bad happened to him and he ended up kicking the bucket, that yes, that would make her happy, or that she would be pleased. She is the nicest person in the world, not a shred of violent wishes on anyone about her, and one of the most eloquent, too, but in a nutshell, there isn’t a whole lot of difference at the end of the day between her comment to me and what this dodo lady said, aside from each’s eloquence. Nor much difference in what KO said.
Dennis, you tin-plated dumbass, I was referring to your bringing up the Hillary Clinton comment by Olbermann, not your first post, and if it was an answer to your first post I would have placed it under said post not what was the end of the thread at the time.
Keith Olbermann apologized by excusing it as ‘just a metaphor’
Somebody saying that a politician should meet the same fate as a fictitious character isn’t a metaphor.
I am assuming you are defending him because he apologized and somehow that makes it better makes it different than this lady, who you have no idea if she has apologized or clarified
“When you assume, you make an ass of u and me.” –Stuart Smalley
Actually I’m aware of several occasions, not just this one, where Olbermann has apologized in the past.
One time was for a show where Allison Stewart was subbing for him and she did a segment on what Vitter’s wife wore to her husbands’ press conference about his habit of frequenting prostitutes.
If he did say something outrageous on his program that I couldn’t support and he didn’t apologize, then I would drop him like a hot rock and never watch his show again.
you have no idea if she has apologized or clarified.
Well, I’m sure we’ll be the first to know thanks to you, but there’s a wide gap between what Olbermann said about Clinton and what she said about Senator Murray.
If she came out tomorrow and said she was just using a metaphor like Keith did, that she meant no harm and certainly meant for no one to take that as a call for murder, would you be as forgiving as you were Keith’s call for physical harm or murder?
Except that this wasn’t a metaphor, it was a comparison to a fictitious hanging and a call for murder.
I’ll quote Greg Sargent, certainly, unlike moi, not a fan of Olbermann:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/keith_olbermann_apologizes_for.php
So, Keith has a track record of apologizing, so I naturally hold him to a higher standard than a nutcase at a Tea Partier get-together.
That’s not ‘look over there’. You’re just a hypocrite.
Except that it’s the same thing you do over and over again here:
Oliver posts about a conservative doing A.
You come in, not immediately in the present case, but sooner or later, and you state, “a liberal did B, which is just like the conservative who did A”.
It allows you to attempt to turn the discussion to liberal doing B, instead of dealing with the conservative doing A, as you’re doing so on this very thread.
Stop doing that, and perhaps you’ll be taken seriously, which would be about the time that “Affen fliegen meinen Hintern”, as the old German saying goes.
Also, grow a brain so you can start a blog and comment on the issues you find important instead of using Oliver’s site to demonstrate what John Stuart Mill wrote over 140 years ago:
“…don’t mind retaliating against you guys here in print but I never call anyone names that I know personally …”
Leaving aside the rest of your lengthy non-answer to the question (Dennis, the question is why is it unthinking, beyond the bounds of decency, low class or any of the other adjectives and adjectival phrases you can muster up) who do you know in these threads personally? And what kind of weak ass qualifier is that?
You only call people you don’t know names? Is that some kind of magnanimous position now?
I support the Teabaggers’ First Amendment right to say things in public that are so reprehensible that they move ever farther out to the sparsely populated nutwing fringe.
Run, Sarah, Run, and by all means let the Teabaggers spew their hatred in public and make it abundantly clear how opposed they are to American values.
I got your age-related cognitive decline, mambo. I’m sharper than you are right now. By the time your my age , you’ll be muttering the lyrics to “Don’t Stop” in your beer at the local gin mill, and asking if Bill Clinton is still in office.