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Unfortunately, today’s meeting was canceled due to the record snowfall.
You heard it here first, folks. It snows in winter.
Marco,
RFK, Jr.: 15 months ago:
Global warming means no snow or cold in DC
Dennis,
I could link you to actual science and not opinion pieces about what a Kennedy said, but you’ll just pretend not to see it as if it were written on a wingnette’s hand.
The earth is flat, Dennis. Keep telling yourself that.
And remember, snow in winter = scientists are stupid.
Freddoso knows he being dishonest. With Den’, it’s hard to tell.
Me dishonest, Quaker? It was fafaroo who was saying more snow like we’re seeing in record numbers proves man-made global warming is happening and very real. So I guess when RFK, Jr. was bemoaning a time when he was very young and there was a lot more snow in DC, he was really making the case that global warming was happening then, too.
You guys are hard to follow.
Marco, if you (and, by extension, Democratics) don’t think Kennedy is an adequate spokesman for the Environmental Movement, then … quit hiring him to be a spokesman for the Environmental Movement!
Dennis, you are being dishonest. I linked to a story which explains quite plainly the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/28/AR2010012800041.html?nav=rss_email/components
To repeat: less frozen water = more evaporation= more snow.
From RFKs anecdotal observations:
I will stop sending him evil Soros dollars as soon as Sarah Palin stops speaking for the all the r-word kids in the world, sans the ones Rush is free to shit on. How’s that?
Till then, enjoy your flat earth.
Just like our earlier observation with some practitioner of the shell game at The Corner, Den’ once again fails to notice when a wingnut pundit is lying in his face.
Kennedy (in just one paragraph of a long piece on a broader topic) writes about how winters in Virginia used to be long and cold with frequent and long-lasting snow.
Freddoso distracts his rubes’ attention while he hides the part about long cold winters, frozen canals, and frequent snow and slips in the phony idea that Kennedy was talking about any snow at all.
Freddoso didn’t earn his spot as a national-level commentator by being too stupid to understand read and understand simple concepts. He has to know he’s throwing sweet hay to the cattle.
What’s your excuse, Den’?
Freddoso is just someone who makes stuff up. Dennis is one of the gullibles who actually believe it and keeps a guy like Freddoso employed.
Harf! Once again OW pares my bombast to the pith! Bravo!
OW, can I borrow your pith helmet?
No! Now pith off!
Oh. My. God., Oliver. Tell me you are not going to print out that googled list from your employer as some kind of proof that Freddoso is dishonest to poke fun of a nutcase like RFK?
Do you want to go over just who is the more dishonest between the two?
The heroin possession, the autism crap, the 2004 election was stolen by Diebold…the list goes on by this guy. None of this seems to matter to you about RFK but anyone who would read anything about Freddoso is a gullible lemming.
Dude.
Tell me you are not going to print out that googled list from your employer as some kind of proof that Freddoso is dishonest to poke fun of a nutcase like RFK?
Classic.
OW’s list shows Freddoso is no stranger to making s(tuff) up. Now follow the lady boys, watch very closely….this list is….ta-daa! “some kind of proof that Freddoso is dishonest to poke fun of a nutcase like RFK!”
Here it is simply, Den’. Freddoso makes stuff up. OW’s list gives example after example. He does it again in the article you linked. Did you notice?
Dennis, you should go back the the Palin thread you’re not obsessed about. Stick to hilariously failing in one thread for a couple days instead of overextending yourself to two.
Boring.
You’ve got a fair amount of dishonest going on here, too. Quaker. A little bit more than what you should be calling Freddoso out on for that article.
Go back and read RFK’s article from start to finish and notice his fanaticism about global warming and how he uses his own personal anecdotal evidence to offer up as proof. That’s what the guy’s problem is with everything he tries to tackle and why he’s dismissed by even some of you guys. That’s what Freddoso is poking fun of.
Start with his calling Palin a flat earther who shares the current administration’s contempt for sciece. She’s not a flat earther and he’s dishonest to say the Bush administration had a contempt for science. Or this idiotic statement, “Palin has expressed skepticism about evolution (which is like not believing in gravity), putting it on par with “creationism,” which posits that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago.” Palin never said anything like that, but I’ve read countless posts on liberal blogs like this that claimed she believed the earth was 6,000 years old. At least now I know where some of them likely originated from.
Or his quote of Upton Sinclair “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” accusing her and her husband of wanting to destroy the polar bear and Arctic wildlife for some kind of personal profit motive. He says “When oil profits are at stake, her fantasy world appears to have no boundaries.” The whole article is rife with fanatical hyperbole, yet you seem to think he’s some kind of a saint because of his last time, apparently and beyond reproach or being poked fun of for that article.
He’s a fruitcake, Quaker. Yet you fail to mention this.
You’re not having one of your better days on the boards today.
Dude, not even liberals listen to RFK, Jr.
Like his hero, Denny quits before the fail is complete.
No need to get pithy about it.
It’s obviously not boring to you, Marco. You’ve barely even made a post to anyone else but me this whole last week. Or is that just how you roll?
What’s made up in Freddoso’s article, Quaker? I can cite things RFK has made up, and his fanaticism is worthy of mockery, especially in the way he described DC.
Do you think it true that most kids in DC don’t even own sleds? I live an hour and a half to the south of DC and most kids do own a sled. But maybe kids in DC don’t for some odd reason, I don’t know. Maybe Media Matters has some research on sled sales the last 5-10 years and OW can google it.
You’re not having one of your better days on the boards today.
Incorrect. I think what you meant to say is, “I am being flayed like…well, like an ill-informed, poorly-reasoning conservative blog troll, but I’m pretending not to notice!”
I will congratulate you on this, however. You have pointed out several possible flaws in Mr. Kennedy’s article. However, that doesn’t mean Mr. Freddoso has told you anything even close to the truth about that article.
OW’s point remains unscathed: Freddoso traffics in cheap candy for rubes. You’re a willing customer.
What’s made up in Freddoso’s article, Quaker?
Already answered. See 2:57, above.
What you wrote at 2:57 was wrong, Quaker. RFK, Jr. wrote two paragraphs about the winters in DC, and Feddoso printed them both out in full.
You wrote:
Freddoso didn’t hide that part. It’s right there in his article. Both the two paragraphs RFK, Jr. wrote….in full. No hiding of anything. Freddoso didn’t ‘slip in the phony idea that Kennedy was talking about any snow at all.’, he put in exactly what Kennedy said, and Kennedy did talk about snow.
Did you just think no one would check what you wrote, Quaker?
So again I will ask you, ‘What is made up in Freddoso’s article?’
Shall we start with the headline?
You really don’t know when a conservative pundit is lying right to your face, do you?
It’s boring watching you fail with each and every reply. See above and the Palin “nothing on her hand” thread again for more evidence of your inability to succeed every time you hot the Submit Comment button.
Boring, Dennis. If you don’t want replies pointing out your constant ineptitude, please refrain from posting on a blog.
Simple. You know simple, that’s for sure.
What exactly is it that Freddoso made up that you claim I’m a willing customer of, Quaker. I think he got this one right, and you were mistaken when you pointed to things Freddoso wrote when you called him dishonest.
Looks like here its a case of Oliver trafficing in cheap candy for rubes, and you being the willing customer. Except Oliver didn’t dare attack the actual article, he did his old stand-by: googling his employer’s database to attack the messenger. You followed right along with him in lemming-like fashion.
Only you got it wrong.
So please tell me what mad-up claims of Freddoso’s that I’m a willing customer of that I keep him employed for.
Freddoso didn’t ‘slip in the phony idea that Kennedy was talking about any snow at all.’, he put in exactly what Kennedy said, and Kennedy did talk about snow.
When a pro like Freddoso plays the shell game, he always lets you think the game is on the level. Keep reading, Den’. When you get down to Mr. Freddoso’s wrapup sentence, you get the payoff:
The long winters? Gone! Frozen canals? Not mentioned! Frequent, long-lasting snow? Disappeared!
Instead Freddoso serves up: Hey, it snowed this weekend so how can Kennedy think the climate is changing, huh?
Rube.
Scroll down. See 4:57.
I asked what was in his article that you wrote about once and responded a second time that it was in your reply at 2:57. Now you want to point to something else.
What was wrong with the article that he made stuff up about? You don’t want to admit that you made a false allegation against him, do you?
You just made something up about him and won’t even admit it, but we should believe you when you say he makes stuff up, is that it?
This is the third huge snowstorm in the last few weeks, Quaker. It’s not just this last week. I know there hasn’t been all that much out in Denver but there’s been a lot back here. RFK’s article was frought with fanaticism and exactly what Freddoso wrote in his article and the last paragraph. Kennedy did, yes, make it seem in his article that the days of snow and ice and long cold stretches were over.
His statement that kids don’t even own sleds was multiple times more ridiculous than anything Freddoso said, and it did lend to the conclusion that Freddoso wrote in his last statement- otherwise why would kids even have sleds in DC now like they do?
You’re the rube, Quaker.
And the title isn’t off at all to the picture of what RFK was trying to describe. Like I said, he did the same thing with his autism and innoculations link and his claim that Diebold stole the 2004 election.
So please tell me what mad-up claims of Freddoso’s
He doesn’t appear to realize that there is a difference between climate and weather. Do you think he doesn’t? Or was he making with the funny?
Shell game. He just put his quotes in the body of his article- two whole paragraphs of his dealing with the cold and snow – that you claimed he didn’t. Now you think he’s playing a shell game because he didn’t rewrite those same two paragraphs a second time in his concluding paragraph?
Dude.
You. Are. The. One. Making. Stuff. Up.
I’m almost of a mind fafaroo is posting under your name today with your boneheaded claims on this thread and the one on the budget downthread.
Something is strange with you today.
I asked what was in his article that you wrote about once and responded a second time that it was in your reply at 2:57. Now you want to point to something else.
Do try to concentrate, old friend. We’re talking about Freddoso’s article. No one is pointing elsewhere.
Freddoso starts playing you right out of the gate. The headline on his article, the headline you copied into your initial link on this thread is a bald lie. Kennedy did not say that global warming means there can be no cold and no snow in DC. He says winters are milder than they used to be. He says there once was a ski hill in Virginia. He says people once regularly skated on a frozen canal.
Freddoso continues to bait you with his lead in which he says Kennedy was writing about “the lack of winter weather.” Technically true, but now watch for the switch, Den’. Here it comes:
Follow the pea, Den’! Freddoso just shuffled the shells around. If you’re not paying attention, you won’t notice the trick! Suddenly we’re not talking about long-term climate or even the span of an entire winter. Freddoso springs his conclusion: “It snowed this weekend! Ha! Ha, ha!”
Need me to explain it again? It’s allright. Go ahead and ask.
Now you think he’s playing a shell game because he didn’t rewrite those same two paragraphs a second time in his concluding paragraph?
Uh, no.
You want another try at that, or shall I explicate the flaws in your reasoning?
Dennis, as you know, Freddoso’s headline was:
“Global warming means no snow or cold in DC”
If this is accurate, there should be some sentence or sentences in RFKs essay where he actually makes this claim.
All you or Freddoso have to do to prove that the headline is accurate, is to cite the passage where RFK says there will be no snow and no cold in DC.
So please cite it.
Because it isn’t in the graphs that Freddoso cites. In those graphs, RFK refers to “anemic winters” and goes on to cite examples of “scarce” snow and the canal that “rarely freezes enough” to skate on.
There is nothing in the graphs that Freddoso himself cites which even imply “no snow” and “no cold.” RFK is clearly saying there is snow, it’s just scarce, and that it is cold, just no cold enough to freeze the canal water.
So not even graphs that Freddoso cites support the meaning of the headline.
So again, please just cite the section of RFKs article where he says that global warming will lead to “no snow” and “no cold.”
Parthy-
Freddoso writes:
RFK, jr does fly around on private planes.
RFK, Jr does tell larger numbers of people how they must live in order to save the planet.
RFK, Jr did write a somewhat bizarre (my opinion) column last year on the lack of winter weather in DC.
All of these statements are direct and they are true. There is no ‘seeming’ to anything.
He then lists the link to the full article and quotes three paragraphs from it for the reader to see in which RFK recalls a time when winters were long and cold and filled with snow. That there was a ski area just outside DC, that kids don’t even own sleds in DC now, which is not true. Again, so far, no lies and no ‘Seeming’ to anything. Freddoso wrote.
He then concludes the article by saying
Having shoveled my walk five times in the midst of this past weekend’s extreme cold and blizzard, I think perhaps RFK, Jr. should leave weather analysis to the meteorologists instead of trying to attribute every global phenomenon to anthropogenic climate change.
Yeah, it’s been a long, cold, snow-filled winter. He’s out shoveling his walk for the fifth time inlight of the weekend’s blizzard (up to 34 inches in some parts of metro DC, so you’d have to keep shoveling several times unless you want to break your back trying to shovel it all at once). When you’re out shoveling snow all day long and it’s cold as shit all the while, do you think it’s unusual to think of some of the idiotic things global warming alarmists/fanatics like RFK, Jr. have said about it? I have a driveway over a hundred yards long and at this point about all I can think of with each shovel full is ‘global f’ing warming’.
Freddoso didn’t claim in the article that this snow proves there is no such thing as global warming, he just said “I think perhaps RFK, Jr. should leave weather analysis to the meteorologists instead of trying to attribute every global phenomenon to anthropogenic climate change.”
Truer words. Nothing seeming to do anything except comment on what a nut RFK, Jr. is. Something it appears several of you are in agreement with.
Freddoso continues to bait you with his lead in which he says Kennedy was writing about “the lack of winter weather.” Technically true, but now watch for the switch, Den’.
I wouldn’t even go so far as to say this is “technically true” because RFK is clearly describing winter weather. There is snow, it’s just scarce and the canal does freeze, but it “rarely freezes enough to safely skate on.”
That last sentence doesn’t mean that the canals don’t freeze period. They mean that you more often than not can’t safely skate on the ice that appears.
Now, Dennis, we know you’re fairly accustomed to skating on thin ice when it comes to the truth but surely you can recognize the difference between there is no ice and saying that there is not enough ice to safely skate on, correct?
The key point that he’s making is that the “winter weather” he is describing is not of the same degree it once was because global warming is causing “rapidly changing weather patterns that are altering the way we live.”
He never says there is a lack of winter weather or that there is no snow and no cold.
Freddoso didn’t claim in the article that this snow proves there is no such thing as global warming, he just said “I think perhaps RFK, Jr. should leave weather analysis to the meteorologists instead of trying to attribute every global phenomenon to anthropogenic climate change.”
Which only raises the question, then Dennis, why did you link to the article?
You made some crack about the record snow fall forcing the cancellation of the new Climate Service’s first meeting, then linked to Freddoso’s article.
What was the point of linking to Fredosso as a response to Marco if Freddosso is not, in fact, arguing that snow, in and of itself, disproves global warming?
Can you explain how someone chiding RFK for not being a climate scientist or a meteorologist is relevant to your joke?
I wouldn’t even go so far as to say this is “technically true” because RFK is clearly describing winter weather.
Eh. I’m willing to concede “lack of winter weather” as a technically accurate description of what Kennedy wrote. He talks about snow for skiing and tobagganing and ice for skating that don’t occur any more.
However, as I demonstrated, Freddoso uses the phrase to call the cattle and whet their appetites for what follows. He characterizes Kennedy’s depiction of milder winters as a “lack of winter weather” so he can pull the old switcheroo: “See? There IS winter weather! Ha, ha, silly liberals!”
The rubes are too happy to eat it up.
Fafaroo and Quaker, both of you are being dishonest.
Why would RFK Jr. make the bald-faced lie in his article, an article that has several bald-faced lies in which I’ve mentioned only a few, that kids in DC don’t even own sleds, unless he was trying to paint the picture that there isn’t even enough snow or it doesn’t snow enough that kids would even need sleds. Neither one of you will mention that he said that, that he’s very prone to hyperbole and fanaticism, that he’s the one playing the shell game and you guys are the one fooled by which shell has the pea? That’s Freddoso’s whole point- enough with the bullshit sentimentality and the stupid scare tactics that long, cold, snowy winters are almost passe, that he should just leave it up to the meterorologists instead of trying to say that his remembrances of ocean downspouts and ice skating means its a result of anthropogenic climate change.
Do you guys believe RFK, Jr. and what he wrote?
Freddoso didn’t claim in the article that this snow proves there is no such thing as global warming,
Sorry. What was the title of the article again?
He characterizes Kennedy’s depiction of milder winters as a “lack of winter weather” so he can pull the old switcheroo: “See? There IS winter weather! Ha, ha, silly liberals!”
That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. Which, of course, is why Dennis linked to the article in the first place.
Of course, when pressed, Dennis now claims that this wasn’t, in fact, Freddosso’s point, at all, which means Dennis linked to an article that he now admits is utterly irrelevant to anything in Oliver’s original post.
In other words, Dennis will gladly, willingly prove to everyone that he’s an idiot in order to avoid admitting that he’s wrong.
He’s a weird dude.
Quaker, you’re the rube eating up Kennedy’s crap. Twenty years from now some liberal journalist of son or daughter of a Democratic Congressman will be talking about this past winter (more snow on the way for Tues-Wed. now) with fond memories of their childhood and just how f’ing cold it was with more snow than he could ever imagine, and for which he may have not seem anything like it in the last several years. He draw conclusions about why that is, and like RFK, Jr., he’ll probably be wrong about it. It’s just human nature. Only RFK writes books about it and flies around in his private jet lecturing to us how to live our lives like he thinks we should.
Freddoso is right to tell us what a jag off he is.
… that kids in DC don’t even own sleds …
Dennis, did he state this directly as a known fact?
Curious if you could cite the exact sentence in which he does this.
Do you guys believe RFK, Jr. and what he wrote?
If I wished to cite Mr. Kennedy as an authority, I would have introduced his writing in support of my argument.
I did not.
Remind me how he got into this discussion.
Do you guys believe RFK, Jr. and what he wrote?
Dennis, weather patterns are changing globally due to global warming.
That’s what RFKs essay was about.
That’s true.
If you want to claim that snow in DC proves RFK wrong, go for it. But as you said yourself, not even Freddosso is making that claim.
Which raises the question, again, why did you link the article in the first place?
Freddoso is right to tell us what a jag off he is.
Perhaps.
Mr. Freddoso misprepresents what Mr. Kennedy wrote. Do you need it all explained again?
“…. that he should just leave it up to the meterorologists instead of trying to say that his remembrances of ocean downspouts and ice skating means its a result of anthropogenic climate change.”
Great, Dennis. Let’s leave it up to the meteorlogists shall we?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/28/AR2010012800041.html?nav=rss_email/components
Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don’t own a sled.
Go to work, Perry Mason. Snow is not so scarce that children probably don’t own a sled. I live in Virginia, have for 17 years now, I have kids and know a lot of parents with kids, and trust me, they all have sleds. That statement is not only false, it’s ridiculous, and it was meant to paint the picture that we don’t get much in the way of winters in Virginia any more like the good old days.
RFK, Jr. doesn’t have to think about $800 heating bills December through February, either. It gets plenty cold here.
Dennis, do you really need someone to explain the difference between conjecture (that is “probably”) and stating a direct fact “kids in DC don’t even own sleds.”
Apparently you do which is why you’re so susceptible to guys like Freddoso who turns essays about mild winters into predictions of “no snow” and “no cold.”
You can’t call someone a liar for writing “Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don’t own a sled.”
And yet, you did anyway. Why?
It’s almost like you want to make it easy, Den’.
Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don’t own a sled.
What do you make of that word “probably”?
I live in Virginia, have for 17 years now, I have kids and know a lot of parents with kids, and trust me, they all have sleds. That statement is not only false, it’s ridiculous,
I think I see a pattern emerging:
“I know children who own sleds. Therefore the suggestion that most probably do not own sleds is false!”
The reasoning is very similar to:
“It snowed this weeked. Therefore the suggestion that winters are milder than they once were is false!”
and it was meant to paint the picture that we don’t get much in the way of winters in Virginia any more like the good old days.
Hey! You got one right! Way to go, Den’! Mr. Kennedy’s rhetoric is, indeed, intended to make the claim that winters in Virginia are milder than they once were.
You can’t call someone a liar for writing “Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don’t own a sled.”
And yet, you did anyway. Why?
Because Den’ knows children who own sleds!! It’s the same “logic” that allows warming deniers to make silly japes about “shovelling three feet of global warming off my driveway.”
Shorter Dennis: “Weather and climate are the same thing.”
That’s fucking ridiculous, fafaroo. Yes, I know the difference and I know people use the qualifier and then try to weasel out later by saying they used the word ‘probably’. Their toadies like you use them to weasel out of arguments, too.
There is no probably about it, kids do have sleds in Virginia.
Seriously, Zython? Is this the most clever thing you could think of after reading this thread. You’re sitting there in the student union going over your math notes from today’s lecture and having a cup of tea and you take a break and check out the news on your laptop, see this thread, and and you write that sentence that you’ll see written by some idiot at least 2-3 times on every single blog that mentions anything to do with global warming.
Then when you’re ignored you’ll come back later and announce that no one will dare argue with you.
That’s great Dennis. Kids have sleds in Virginia. Do most kids have sleds in Virgina? I don’t know. But I do know that RFK never said that no kids in Virginia have sleds which what you seem to be trying to pin on him. He also never said there was no snow and no cold in Virginia either, but Freddosso tried to pin those statements to him too.
I’m unsure why you can’t simply argue with what RFK actually sid. Why do you keep trying to make it sound like he was speking in absolutes. He wasn’t.
Now can you please actually explain why linking to this article made sense in the first place within the context of your joke?
QB: “Do you need it all explained again?”
For the love of Jesus and all holy, please no!!
He doesn’t get it folks, and if he’s not being purposefully obtuse, I’m thinkin’ he’ll never get it! You’re wasting your blogging-breath……
Is this the most clever thing you could think of after reading this thread. You’re sitting there in the student union going over your math notes from today’s lecture and having a cup of tea and you take a break and check out the news on your laptop, see this thread, and and you write that sentence that you’ll see written by some idiot at least 2-3 times on every single blog that mentions anything to do with global warming.
Amazing. You and fafaroo both weasel out on the word ‘probably’.
What does he mean by probably if he has no clue whatsoever as to what he’s talking about? He has no idea how many kids in DC do or don’t own sleds. He’s just making that up- which is, of course, all right with you two yardbirds.
It’d be like for me visiting my brother out in Colorado every year to go skiing and a couple years in a row I cancel because the snow at that time was really lousy for when I usually go, and I declare to folks back here “yeah, the snow is so scarce out there now that kids that live out in Colorado Springs probably don’t even have skis or snowboards.” and I write it in an article that is chock full of other fabrications, fanaticisms, and hyperbole….read, lies.
Ask yourself why he’d even put that sentence in there that he knows nothing about, not even anecdotally, if he didn’t want to paint the picture that snow was not only scarce, but kids have given up all hope of snow ever returning such that they wouldn’t even own a sled for if and when it might ever someday?
You guys would argue anything. Now we’re hung up on the word ‘probably’.
Too much.
Hey, it’s not my fault you can’t come up with a non-talking point excuse to deny global warming.
I knew the moment Dennis started glomping on the whole “it’s snowing, there can’t possibly be global warming!” nonsense that he wasn’t from Cleveland.
Out here, we consider it a good thing when it gets cold enough for Lake Erie to freeze up. Then the lake effect snow stops….
A-aaaaand, Swingandamissssss.
Strike two.
Dennis, please explain to us all why your first comment in this thread was so much more fabulously original and clever than Zython’s comment and be sure to include a description of exactly what you were doing when you had this highly original and clever brainstorm.
This is a good idea on Obama’s part – and scientists in general. People need a clearing house of information that not only explains the basics of the science, but also policy measures that can be enacted to react against the trend. I’m glad to be rid of creationists and shills from the Bush years as well, but this is also a positive step.
For Dennis
How many carbon credit trading scams by Obama’s buddies at Goldman Sachs et al, will it take before you liberals realize you’ve been duped?
The global warming hoax is being caused by the following:
Al Gore is an international bastard.
Liberalism, Islamofascism, Postmodernism and anti-Creationism, in that order.
The scientists have all been bought by George Soros.
Ted Kennedy drowned a poor innocent girl at Chappaquiddick.