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A lot of families of sailors on board the USS Carl Vinson, which is providing relief to Haiti, have commented on my post here. It’s worth a look to check out how proud they are of our servicemen and women and the job they’re doing.
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It’s important to remember, during this time of crisis, that racist asshole and Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh and his many asshole followers (e.g., Dennis et al) believe that these are “Phony Soldiers” performing worthless “Meals on Wheels” for a country of “[Black People]” which doesn’t deserve any more assistance anyway because Ol’ Rushie claims he “pays his taxes.”
Asshole Pat Robertson too.
Never fucking forget!
Where are Dennis, AO, Frank and Farris when you need someone to explain why these sailors shouldn’t be proud of their work, and why all citizens as well as their families shouldn’t be proud of them?
LOL,
Nobody has a problem with the military lending assistance to people when a disaster strikes. Their ability to do so is dependant on their capacity to do so which is dependant on their budget. So we aren’t going to hear a lot of whining from the blame America first progressives the next time the topic of money for the military comes up are we?
Indeed,
You are so helplessly ignorant. Does all your information come from the propaganda that Ollie spreads? Robertson got some of his dates wrong but he was only relating what is part of the common lore and legend surrounding Haiti and he did so while he was RAISING MONEY for those hapless souls living in the most dysfunctional place in the Caribean.
The rest of your rant is as baseless and stupid as the ignorance you displayed about what Robertson said.
Here is what Limbaugh said exactly, Indeed. Read and perhaps consider yourself enlightened, or remain in the dark and continue to spout the Daily Kos/Think Progress talking point of the day.
Your choice.
For us, that goes without saying, Repack.
But you already knew that.
Robertson got some of his dates wrong but he was only relating what is part of the common lore and legend surrounding Haiti
Ladies and Gentlemen: your Modern Republican Party, a bunch of racist, religionist assholes like “Amused Observer.” By the way, it’s also common lore amongst the Pat Robertsons of the world that gays, liberals, atheists, feminists, and what have you caused 9/11 (or maybe he just got some of his dates wrong?). How fucking appropriate it is that Robertson is a major Republican figure. I’ll stick with Anti-Asshole Worldview, but thanks so much for sharing yours.
Nobody has a problem with the military lending assistance to people when a disaster strikes.
Well, nobody except for Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh, his flock of dumbfuck sheep, and like-minded assholes. Lee Atwater must be so proud of you.
Does all your information come from the propaganda that Ollie spreads?
In my case, much of is from my own military service.
Robertson got some of his dates wrong but he was only relating what is part of the common lore and legend surrounding Haiti and he did so while he was RAISING MONEY for those hapless souls living in the most dysfunctional place in the Caribean.
The fact that it was a complete and utter lie and blames the victims of a disaster for causing it because of something their ancestors didn’t really do is immaterial? How does suggesting that the victims are in league with The Devil contribute to raising funds to help them?
For us, that goes without saying, Repack.
If I subscribed to the conservative view of the military, I would certainly keep quiet about it also. That’s why I had to point out that conservatives only want our military to break stuff and kill people, because their view seems to be that helping people in other countries doesn’t make them like us as much as killing them does.
Strawman? Nope. Citing Limbaugh as the Voice of Authority on All Things Conservative, the guy who gets an apology from elected GOP officials when they contradict him.
<i<But you already knew that.
If I hadn’t, Limbaugh made it pretty clear, didn’t he?
Indeed,
I stand corrected. You’re not ignorant, you’re stupid. Robertson didn’t come up with the Haiti devil pact, it’s part of history and has been for several hundred years. LOL, I suppose you’re angry he was raising money for the Haitians too.
Limbaugh didn’t bitch about the military lending assistance, he bitched about Obama taking credit for what Americans do after going around the world apologizing for what Americans do. Ignorance can be dealt with, stupidity has no cure. As you were, carry on.
Indeed, Ol’ Rushie sure did. And assholes like Dennis eat that shit up like it’s ice cream on a hot day. It’s a shame that they do, but we’ll keep on keepin’ on fighting for people who might be different (or perceived by Limbaugh et al to be different) from Ol’ Rushie and his flock of assholes.
Robertson didn’t come up with the Haiti devil pact, it’s part of history and has been for several hundred years.
I do not stand corrected. I stand by what I wrote earlier. The “Haiti Devil Pact” is part of history? Really? You mean like Bigfoot?
Interesting, Dennis- in order to demonstrate what Limbaugh said, you link not to the 1/13 transcript of what he actually said, but the 1/15 transcript of him “explaining” what he really meant, the latter of which can be considered some pretty sloppy damage control.
From Dennis’s link:
All I said was, if you paid your income taxes, that’s how you donate to government for aid, and sure enough, here comes Obama announcing $100 million from the government for aid to Haiti, fine and dandy. But, you paid for it, it’s your taxes. All I said was if you’re going to donate do it outside the government, pure and simple.
And for context, here’s the White House page in question.
For starters, let’s examine Rush’s actual words, shall we?
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CALLER: — to direct you how to do so. If I want to donate money to the Red Cross, why do I need to go to the WhiteHouse.gov page and –
RUSH: Exactly. Would you trust that the money is going to go to Haiti?
CALLER: No.
RUSH: Would you trust that your name is going to end up on a mailing list for the Obama people to start asking you for campaign donations for him and other causes.
CALLER: Absolutely.
RUSH: Absolutely right.
CALLER: That’s the point.
RUSH: Besides, we’ve already donated to Haiti. It’s called the US income tax.
CALLER: Rush, my mother was going to be on a missionary trip. She was going to leave at 4:30 this morning to go to Haiti with our church.
RUSH: That’s another point, too. Churches –
CALLER: No government money, Rush.
RUSH: Exactly right. Look, there are people that do charitable work every day in Haiti. It’s not as though — like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, it’s our fault. Reverend Wright, it’s our fault, there’s no excuse for such poverty when there’s a nation as rich as we are so close. There are people that have been trying to save Haiti just as we’re trying to save Africa. You just can’t keep throwing money at it because the dictatorships there just take it all. They don’t spread it around, and even if they did they’re not creating a permanent system where people can provide for themselves. It’s a simple matter of self-reliance. Nobody takes that approach down there because this has always been a country run by dictators and incompetent ones at that.
And later:
RUSH: Well, I’m glad you did and I’m glad you called, Carol. Thanks very much. I had somebody go to WhiteHouse.gov to see what the donation process is. And this is all the guidance you get on donating to Haiti at the White House site. What I’m going to read to you is buried in a very long blog post about what Obama said about the earthquake. You get that first, you gotta read what Obama said, the maximum leader, you gotta read what he says and then you get to the bottom and here’s what it says. “You can also help, immediately, by donating to the Red Cross to assist the relief effort. Contribute online here, or donate $10 to be charged to your cell phone bill by texting Haiti. Find more ways to help through the Center for International Disaster Information.” So that’s all the guidance you get. Now, that’s pretty easy, text Haiti and you’re gonna get billed for ten bucks and that money ostensibly is going to go to Haiti.
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The latter bit in bold is the only thing remotely close to the sentiment of “All I said was if you’re going to donate do it outside the government, pure and simple”, and the use of the term “ostensibly” isn’t exactly couching it as a glowing recommendation. His callers sort of address going outside the government, but he routinely cuts them off before they can finish the thought.
So, to recap, he tells his listeners specifically not to donate through the White House site, but the only concrete, lukewarm, alternative he offers is the same fucking texting info that the white house site offers them. And he bitches about how that info was hidden at the bottom of the White House webpage, but he certainly takes his time getting there as well, doesn’t he?
And the whole thing is terminally stupid to begin with- the white house page is a collection of fucking external links.
When you click on ‘Center for International Disaster Information’, you’re told that you’re leaving the White House servers. When you click on the Red Cross link there, you’re told that you’re being redirected to the Red Cross server where you will make your donation.
The White House hasn’t set up any donation processing apparatus on their site. It doesn’t request, nor capture your e-mail. It doesn’t request, nor process your credit card. It certainly doesn’t filter your bank account through some socialist-obamafascist-dirty kenyan-commie-hippy-tree-huggin’ algorithm.
It’s a fucking repository of handy external links, detailing several reputable extra-government organizations to whom you could make a donation if you so chose.
Seriously, has that idiot ever used the web before?
In fact the Haitian ceremony in question was a request for help from the Voodou version of angels. According to the story a Voodou angel possessed a priest, which is totally weird I guess if you’re a black Haitian in the eighteenth century, but totally a-okay if you’re a white American evangelical.
But AO, Pat Robertson, by all means don’t let a fact get in your way.
Yes Repack,
A couple years in Nam after being drafted supplied much of your knowledge.
LOL, You’re like John Kerry, Oh did I mention I was in the military?
What is a complete and utter lie? That the Devil pact idea is hundreds of years old? That the slave rebellion started from within the voodoo movement? That Robertson was raising money for the Haitians? That Haiti is among the most disfunctional states in the Caribbean?
The Haitian devil story is no more a lie than the story of Robert Johnson at the crossroads. It’s a legend. Some people beleive in legends, some don’t. It can’t be proven one way or another. Do I personally believe it? No. Can I prove it? No, either can you.
Old time religious types often look to the supernatural to explain natural disaster. New age zealots often look to mankind to explain natural disaster. Not really much difference. Talking about people possibly being cursed is not the same as blaming them.
It’s a subtle thing, stupid doesn’t do subtle. You’re capable of doing better if you’re not concentrating on fufilling a false narrative.
Yes, the black ex-slaves who dared to revolt against their superior and benevolent white Christian European betters made a “pact with the devil” in EXACTLY the same way that Sarah Palin did when she was prayed over by a witch doctor.
“Talking about people possibly being cursed is not the same as blaming them.”
Hahahahahahahahahah! Woooo! heheeeehehehee that’s some good shit AO is smoking right there.
The people in question are “cursed”, you supercilious asshole, because they failed to follow the religious dicta or other whims of the Talibanesque freak making the statement. So, yes, this is exactly the same as saying “the bad stuff happening to them is their fault.” Which is, in common parlance, blaming them.
And let us not forget that in addition to believing in the superstitious legend and presenting it as some kind of historical fact, that Robertson also got most of his history facts wrong (Napoleon III??!?), along with the common and false American Talibangelical thesis that pretty much any non-Talibangelical religion is a “pact with the devil”. The man is just a waste of skin, really.
Party,
One man’s angel is another man’s devil. Lucifer is an angel remember? The basic concept goes back thousands of years before the island Haiti half occupies had ever seen a captured African voodoo worshiper. Religious views are a subjective thing which by definition is most difficult to quantify by objective means. By all means don’t let the facts get in the way.
Interesting article on the subject.
My understanding of it is that the spirit involved was essentially the Haitan equivalent of the patron saint of motherhood, AO, according to the article I linked and the wikipedia article on the particular ‘Iwa.’ I’m not sure how even a religious individual (as Pat is, as I would guess you are) could find the spirit of motherhood nefarious in some fashion.
Word.
Plus, Dennis never seems to mention the part where Ol’ Rushie said “The only reason Obama is responding so fast is because he hates America and wants to make points with All Those [Thinly Veiled Lee Atwater-Approved Term for Black People Du Jour].” He didn’t seem to address the comments from the unfortunately influential Republican Pat Robertson either. By Dennis’ own standards, that’s tacit approval. I think it’s because Dennis is an asshole. But it doesn’t really matter why, now does it?
One man’s angel is another man’s devil.
No shit, Sherlock. That’s been my fucking point from the get-go. It’s also kinda important to the liberal worldview, Einstein.
Religious views are a subjective thing which by definition is most difficult to quantify by objective means.
Again, no shit Sherlock. This is also key to a liberal worldview. Perhaps then we shouldn’t have Fox News religious assholes claiming that “America is a Christian Nation” or presidential administrations paying Pat Robertson back by stocking the Justice Department with fuckwit graduates from his religious nutjob “university.” Maybe Thomas Jefferson was onto something regarding this topic. He didn’t much care for dumbfuck religionists either.
Talking about people possibly being cursed is not the same as blaming them.
But it definitely makes it easier to ignore/obscure where the blame really lies by masking the role of states and people in history. It wasn’t the devil that “cursed,” Haiti, you moron:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/517494/imf_to_haiti_freeze_public_wages
One man’s angel is another man’s devil.
I couldn’t agree more. Take Liberia’s Charles Taylor, for example.
Now, our stalwart Pat Robertson would obviously give the devil the cold shoulder if he offered to, say, free him from colonial French rule… but if he appeared offering gold and diamonds, <a href="how could a gal possibly resist?!
“flock of dumbfuck sheep, and like-minded assholes.”
LMAO!! That’s a keeper!