Family Values Hypocrites: Divorce Higher In Anti-Gay Marriage States
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Since 2003, however, the decline in divorce rates has been largely confined to states which have not passed a state constitutional ban on gay marriage. These states saw their divorce rates decrease by an average of 8 percent between 2003 and 2008. States which had passed a same-sex marriage ban as of January 1, 2008, however, saw their divorce rates rise by about 1 percent over the same period.
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Cultcha Warriahs no likey stats. They are satanic and such.
Here’s the deal: The “traditional marriage” wingnuts don’t give two shits about the “sanctity” of anything. They’re just freaked out by all those icky queers; because those icky queers make them uncomfortable by reminding those very manly wingnuts of those secret doubts they have about their own sexuality. It ain’t rocket science, Oliver. Just Psych 101.
divorce rates, adutery rates, and also more pregnant teens. those family values people sure have strange families.
isn’t it time for dennis to hijack this thread?
Nah, he’s too busy hijacking the Haiti thread.
SQ, do you realize that in total you’ve made more posts in the last three days bitching about threads being hijacked than you have posts that had anything whatsoever to do with the thread topic?
You’re married and you live in what Oliver describes as an anti-gay state; don’t you have anything interesting to add to this engrossing topic?
Sure, Dennis. I’ll add that the idea that gay marriage threatens my own “traditional” marriage in any way, shape, or form is ludicrous, and it’s time that conservatives stopped using these wedge issues to try and win elections and started standing up for civil rights for all Americans.
Good enough for you?
Well, I was hoping for something more along the lines of interesting, but at least it was on-topic this time so I’ll accept that.
So are you for or against gay marriage, Dennis?
I’ve answered that particular inquiry of yours before, fafaroo. Your memory is much poorer than you think it is. I don’t care either way, but I also don’t think this statistic is any indication of hypocrisy. Just like I wouldn’t think you were a hypocrite if you were anti-underage drinking.
You are a hypocrite in many other ways, though.
I guess that’s one way of not answering a direct question.
…but I also don’t think this statistic is any indication of hypocrisy.
Of course, it isn’t indicative of hypocrisy, it’s fairly indicative of how stupid a major part of the argument against gay marriage is.
Banning gay marriage in these states did not, apparently, do anything to strengthen traditional marriages in those states, and allowing it in other states did not lead to an increase in divorce.
It was always a stupid argument and these numbers, while not confirming it, certainly point in that direction as well.
“I don’t care either way,” says Dennis. To which I say, you should.
Your fellow Americans are being denied a fundamental right, one that you and other heterosexual Americans enjoy: the right to marry the person you love.
Of course, you’re not gay, so you don’t care. I think that’s analogous to saying, in 1964, “I’m not black, so I don’t care either way whether blacks can vote, eat in restaurants, or enjoy equal protection under the law.” Or, “I’m not a woman, so I don’t care either way if women get equal pay for equal work.”
It’s a good thing not all Americans are as uncaring as conservatives are.
It’s a good thing not all Americans are as uncaring as conservatives are.
Yet, Bruce, you had no problem whatsoever pulling the lever for a president and vice-president who are more uncaring than a great many conservatives are on that issue; who were then and are still now, both much like the folks back in 1964 who didn’t care that blacks could vote, eat in restaurants, or enjoy equal protection under the law. You’re not only self-righteous and sanctimonious, you’re also very forgiving. And conflicted.
You’re right, Dennis. I should have voted for McCain/Palin if I was interested in gay rights. Being as how they’ve been so outspoken in favor and all.
You realize there was really only a choice between two candidates, right? I’m not a one-issue voter. Are you? But I do care about the rights of others, and even if I didn’t, I’d be a little ashamed to say so. But some people have no shame.
At least you’d know where they really stood on the issue, Bruce. They were both more sincere than Obama has been about it.
And tell me, just what is it you do about ensuring those rights for them? Besides blogging about it, I mean.
Dennis specializes in not answering direect questions. That and, “Hey, look over there!”.
At least you’d know where they really stood on the issue, Bruce. They were both more sincere than Obama has been about it.
Being “sincere” about their hatred isn’t that much better than hiding it.
Also, if conservatives “don’t care” about gay marriage, why are they so dead-set opposed to it?
I’m guessing I do about as much to support the causes I believe in as Dennis does. Besides blogging about it, I mean.
No, Bruce, you see, you call me uncaring. You suppose by the nature of your liberal convictions you are a more caring person. I’m asking you to what extent do you care. Do you attend gay rights rallies? Do you carry signs at their parades? Do you donate to their causes? Ever been in the wedding party of a gay union or marriage, or attended many of them? Do you attend forums and speak out about gay issues? Or write or phone your congressmen, or the President? Do you write your local newspapers? What is it that a caring person such as yourself living in an ‘anti-gay marriage state’ does to show how much he cares as opposed to a person who doesn’t care either way?
My child is gay, dipshit. And fuck you.
Of course, you’re not gay, so you don’t care. I think that’s analogous to saying, in 1964, “I’m not black, so I don’t care either way whether blacks can vote, eat in restaurants, or enjoy equal protection under the law.” Or, “I’m not a woman, so I don’t care either way if women get equal pay for equal work.”
Precisely. With a single aside, Dennis manages to encapsulate a (the?) key difference between liberals and right-wingers: the capacity for understanding others’ perspective. For example, the Modern Republican Party opposes gay marriage and yet, for some reason, Dick Cheney does support gay marriage. I wonder why. The Modern Republican Party (i.e., right wingers) opposes stem cell research, yet Nancy Reagan supports it. Anyone care to guess why? Liberals support gay marriage, stem cell research, equal rights, tolerance, rule of law, and what have you regardless of whether or not they are directly affected by such policies.
Look no further than the recent comments from the major Republican influences Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh (Dennis’ personal hero) about the Haitian tragedy. Right-wingers cannot tolerate The Other and opportunists like Robertson and Limbaugh crassly exploit peoples’ fears of the Other (gays, blacks, immigrants, foreigners, etc.). Dennis is an asshole: he doesn’t care about anyone different from himself, as he has clearly demonstrated. Limbaugh, Robertson, et al prosper from recruiting assholes to their cause (Other Bashing, liberal baiting, etc.). At this point, the best thing one could say about these people is that they weren’t around at some other time when our society wasn’t quite as tolerant (and we have a ways to go), as nicely illustrated by Bruce Henry.
As wrong as you are on too many fronts to address, Indeed, my ambivalence puts me squarely to the left of the president and the vice-president. It also puts me squarely to the left of an overwhelming majority of the African-American population. Neither you nor Bruce Henry possessthe courage to direct your ire toward them, or even include them in your ranting. They have far, far more influence on gay issues than my ambivalence, yet the most you can say is that you wish they would change their minds. And neither one of you will say to what extent your convictions outshine anyone who does not care either way. Cowards, the both of you. And serial complainers.
Pure and simple, you just don’t like conservatives and you both spend your days searching for more and more reasons to hate them even more.