A Peek Inside The Conservative Mind
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From the conservative blog Verum Serum
For all the sturm und drang about the Patriot Act and ‘torture’ and the end of Western Civilization in general during the Bush years, there was one thing Democrats never had to complain about. We never had another serious terror attack on American soil during his tenure.
Emphasis mine. I’m not really interested in the overall thesis, the faulty idea that we and our allies weren’t attacked after 9/11 – as if bombings in Bali, London, and Madrid weren’t aimed at the west, not to mention the Anthrax attacks. But it is this conservative insistence that 9/11 didn’t happen on Bush’s watch or that somehow he gets a pass for it. Bush was 9 months into his presidency, he didn’t just show up that day for work. 9 months into his tenure, George W. Bush had already had more Americans killed via terrorism than any other president in US history. Almost a year into Obama’s presidency, Bush’s sad record remains.
To paraphrase Seinfeld: You can’t yada yada 9/11.
UPDATE: See what I mean? Mary Matalin insists that the Bush administration inherited 9/11.
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I believe the proper diagnosis is Selective Republican Amnesia, or SRA. It seems to strike Republican politicians, conservative pundits, and so called journalists quite often.
It has been known to effectively erase certain events from the years 2001-2009 from the memories of those who shows symptoms.
But don’t you realize Bush inherited both a recession and the 9/11 attacks from his incompetent predecessor Clinton?
Frankly, I think you are being far too kind with your SRA diagnosis. Many conservatives live in an unreal world and if it takes a pack of lies to firm it up, so be it.
I always thought it was funny that the Bushies kept saying he “kept America safe” for 8 years after 9/11 … conveniently forgetting that about 8½ years passed between the first attack on the Twin Towers (in Feb. 1993) and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. They never gave Bill Clinton credit for keeping us “safe” for 8½ years. Also, they blamed Clinton for the USS Cole attack and the embassy bombings in Africa, but they excused the deaths of U.S. service members at the hands of extremists and insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, as though somehow they didn’t count.
The truth is, far more Americans died at the hands of “terrorists” during the Bush years than during the Clinton years – even if you exclude 9/11. That is, unless you don’t consider soldiers and Marines to be Americans.
I’ll give him Hassan, but he can’t really blame Obama for the underwear bomber unless Bush gets blame for the shoe bomber.
“9/11 happened when Andrew Jackson was president”-Dana Perino
One thing that I don’t think gets alluded to nearly often enough is how Republican rule allowed a small (numbering about a thousand total) group of religious extremists to bring America to its knees. 9/11 was heinous and horrific and nothing will ever change that. But what came after was even more so: we invaded Afghanistan (an action I supported until it became clear it was going to be run so incompetently that it became an extension of the many defense-spending-welfare-queen programs already in place thanks to both Repubs & Dems). Bin Laden was allowed to evade capture, something I’ve always viewed cynically as allowing the bogeyman to flourish so that the Repubs could carry on their various schemes to undermine what had worked fairly well for a couple hundred years (ie, the US govt). Then we “had to” invade Iraq, we “had to” kill hundreds of thousands of people and make millions of enemies, all the while sacrificing far more American lives than were lost on 9/11 and materiel and (not coincidentally) hundreds of billions of dollars that were basically pissed away for nothing.
This is the stellar record Republicans wish to remind us all of? Bush kept us safe? Really? He was giving the keys to the car and a full tank of gas and broke all the rules of the road he could before throwing a match into the tank. Well-played!
Umm can this event that just happen be call a terror attack, buy a attempted terror attack because the terrorist only hurt himself and the guy that tackled him. But no lose of life. If the wingnuts are calling this a terror attack then we can call the “shoe bomber” an terror attack which would mean a second terror attack did happen under Bush’s watch.
Oops I meant “but”.
“George W. Bush had already had more Americans killed via terrorism than any other president in US history.”
No doubt the 9/11 truthers would co-sign that one.
Anyway, yes any idiot could tell you that 9/11 happened under GWB’s watch, but its only the far-Left loons who continue to give Clinton a pass for allowing Al-Qaeda to grow in numbers, train and enter the US, all which in turn leading to 9/11. While the Slickster was busy seducing fat interns, Al Qaeda was bombing the World Trade Center in ’93, bombing two American embassies in East Africa in 1998 and nearly sinking the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000. Billy Bob’s response to all this tragedy? Nothing but empty rhetoric. And when he had a two chances to catch bin Laden (in ’96 when Osama was visiting the Sudan and in ’98 while he was amongst al qaeda training camps), both times Clinton took a pass, declaring that he wasn’t sure how much bin laden was a threat even after he had intelligence in his hands declaring otherwise, even after Osama made a video declaring “holy war” on the U.S. I know Clinton’s amazing ability to tell people what they want to hear has worked like a snake charm on the Left, but the facts speak differently.
It isn’t just the conservative mind, it’s the official narrative of the corporate press/media: Bush bears no responsibility for 9/11 and anyone suggesting otherwise is permanently removed from the guest list.
You do realize, Mr. GG, that the Trade Center bombing occurred only 1 month after Clinton took office, and the Cole bombing took place 3 months before he left. In the case of the Cole, Clinton left any decision on whether to respond militarily to the incoming President, and that would be G.W., who opted to do nothing. I’m not a Clinton fan, so feel free to criticize yourself silly, but try to get the facts right, thanks.
Since the right tards are frothing at the mouth blaming President Obama for yesterday’s terror attack that left no one dead and one terrorist burned, I will point out that GWB’s inactivity for 9 months into his Presidency caused the death of nearly 3,000 Americans on U.S. soil.
No need to thank me, wingnuts.
“All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”
For the first time in my life, I don’t feel safe knowing America is the worlds superpower.
George W eroded so much respect for the US (I am Australian) and the response (lack of) to Katrina was the final straw. If THAT is what happend when a nations own people suffer, God help your allies if we ever seriously need your help.
Americans are great people – you just need (and deserve) much greater leaders!
And don’t forget the real mess snowballs all the way back to that bastard Jimmy Carter!
Was I wrong to laugh at the phrase, “left no one dead and one terrorist burned …”?
But Chris, the victims of Katrina deserved it for being poor and/or black.
Ah hell, why stop there? That goddam pinko-soshie ROOSEVELT started this whole mess with Social Security and the New Deal! Goddam commie! If it weren’t for him, we’d have already taken over Mexico and Central America in the name of Manifest Destiny!!!
Let us not forget the 4000+ dead in Iraq because he started an illegal war and the 1000+ dead from Katrina. That’s a whole lotta graves to piss on, where does he find the time?
And no, I laughed at the comment too.
LOL,
Spin to your heart’s desire, the Obama team looked like the feckless fools that they are over the weekend. That the plane didn’t blow up was due to the incompetence of the bomber, nothing else. The system did not work, at all. Despite Janet’s reassurences from which she is backing away this morning. Being politically correct trumps security, again. Similar to the Ft. Hood incident rather than take concrete steps when a threat has been identified, obvious warnings are swept under the rug. We can’t be profiling now can we?
Now we face more security kabuki at the hands of the overpaid incompetent TSA and in the form of ridiculous restrictions in flight. If only we could identify a common charactoristic of the people most likely to commit terrorism we could more effectively focus our limited security resources. What is it these terrorists have in common? Is there a part of the world more likely than others to host them? LOL remember if we focus on muslims and restrict their activities and discourage their presence the terrorists win.
when a threat has been identified, obvious warnings are swept under the rug.
Are you STILL harping on the famous PDB from August 6, 2001 entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside United States”? That is SOOO 9/10/01.
‘Now we face more security kabuki at the hands of the overpaid incompetent TSA and in the form of ridiculous restrictions in flight.’
You can’t even keep your criticisms straight.
First you suggest Obama is to blame for not profiling this guy, then you opine that more ‘kubuki’ will be the result of a security review, conveniently forgetting the current protocol was designed by BushCo.
The rest of your rant amounts to ‘ban brown people from flying.’
Maybe you should just lie down for awhile.
While the Slickster was busy seducing fat interns, Al Qaeda was bombing the World Trade Center in ‘93, bombing two American embassies in East Africa in 1998 and nearly sinking the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000. Billy Bob’s response to all this tragedy? Nothing but empty rhetoric.
Oh, and capturing the guys who did it. I can see how you could forget something like that, seeing how you apparently got your jokes about Clinton from a 1999 Jay Leno monologue and your diploma from the back of a cereal box.
I’m not sure how lobbing cruise missiles counts as ‘taking a pass,’ but whatever…
If only we could identify a common charactoristic of the people most likely to commit terrorism we could more effectively focus our limited security resources
Maybe you’re on to something. All the terrorists over the past 10 or so years have been religious and conservative. Maybe we should start to profile these curs.
Is this a trick question….”Conservative mind”? Does that exist? I will tell you whats in the conservative mind (the vast empty space)….crickets and Sarah Palin.
And there was that Anthrax attack(which John McCain thought came from Iraq) But never mind.
or do only terrorist attacks that didn’t kill anyone count?
LOL remember if we focus on muslims and restrict their activities and discourage their presence the terrorists win.
Quite right, but probably not in the way you thought. If we do all that, we’re no longer a nation of laws and we’re engaged in a religious war. And yes, that means the terrorists win.
Funny, I don’t recall you saying any of this stuff after the shoe bomber in 2002. But then again, conservatives believe the universe began in January 2009.
“LOL remember if we focus on muslims and restrict their activities and discourage their presence the terrorists win.”
So you’re proposing basically an affirmative action program in reverse for Muslims, including those who are decent and law-abiding? Yeah, that will work out real well.
Oh, and the post 9-11 anthrax terror attacks happened “on American soil” during Bush’s tenure, so the Verum Serum writer is full of shit (unless, with the somewhat bizarre qualifier of “serious” before the words “terror attack,” the V.S. writer is actually implying that those attacks were “unserious,”…in that case, he/she is A PIECE of shit).
How about a peek inside the liberal mind?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
I will assume that your use of the word ‘mind’ (conservative mind) is strictly metaphorical:
Free tuition for aspiring Saudi artists.
http://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/aspiring-saudi-artists/
Enjoy.
Mr Willis:
Why does it appear that you and your fellow Progressive Fundamentalists
are more interested in evaluating “terrorism” at it relates to international affairs rather than focusing upon the “terror” that has been rained down upon the Black community not only over the past “8 years of Bush” but throughout the time in which the new political establishment that now controls these streets have been in power? Despite them having ascended to power with the promises that “things would change” if they were voted – the most abundant TERRORIZED BLACK PERSON seen crying on television are those of us who have suffered an attack from a “Street Pirate”.
I notice that you all prefer to talk national politics than to focus upon actually insuring that the promised are delivered to our communities by the Progressive establishment.
Perhaps you need to peer into your own mind to see what makes you tick. You might find a Democratic party parasite embedded within.
How about a peek inside the liberal mind?
What do you mean “peek?” You troll liberal blogs at least nine or ten waking hours a day.
I was unaware that TSA and Obama were responsible for passenger security screenings in Nigeria and the Netherlands. Yet that is the impression I get from the right-wing.
AO I think what you meant to say was ‘Thank you for keeping us safe Mr. President.’ I mean ‘Bush kept us safe’ after thousands died so you must think Obama is some kind of god or something.
Mr Pollak, I read more stuff about liberals in a week than you do about Conservatives in a year. That is why you, and your ilk , know nothing about conservatives, let alone what is in their minds.
As for all this nonsense about Bush and 9/11:
a) I am sure, as are you, that the WTC bombing took more than nine months to plan.
b) I am aware, as are you, that it was the Clinton administration that set up the firewall between the CIA and the FBI. Had there been no such firewall, there would have been no 9/11.
c) The idea that al Qaeda was scrambling for their lives in Afghanistan, and taking a brutal beating in Iraq, in your minds, probably had nothing to do with the fact that they weren’t planning a sequel to 9/11. Anyone with a functioning cerebellum would see things differently.
d) Even the concept that what one conservative thinks is a “peek into the conservative mind” flies completely in the face of the conservative ideology, and serves as proof positive that you don’t know squat about conservatives or conservatism.
If any of you have any real interest in what Conservatives think, I recommend that read the following:
The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945 (Paperback)
~ George H. Nash
It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand (Paperback)
~ Jerome Tuccille
The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot (Hardcover)
~ Russell Kirk
(This one you should keep)
Funny how you don’t list Andrew Sullivan’s The Conservative Soul. Why are Republicans and neocons so afraid of that book?
LOL Repack,
No I was referring to the obvious signs before the muslim whackjob traiter murdered innocent Americans at Ft. Hood. It’s not too politically correct to observe but muslims are the source of the globe’s terrorism problem. While you don’t want to put all your eggs in one basket, concentrating your focus on the primary source of the problem is much more effective than dilligently pursuing the elderly senior citizens least likely to be terrorists.
Yesterday, many liberals were “classical”. Today, many conservatives are authoritarian tribalistic jingos. Maybe Frank speaks of that specific time and place which he alone inhabits?
Even the concept that what one conservative thinks is a “peek into the conservative mind” flies completely in the face of the conservative ideology, and serves as proof positive that you don’t know squat about conservatives or conservatism.
Flying in the face of an espoused philosophy only means ‘squat’ if said philosophy is actually, you know, put into practice.
And of course, let’s see: in your childish mind view- which has all the subtlety and nuance of the fucking WWF- Conservatives are, to a person, intelligent, noble, principled, rugged, individualists, while Liberals are all screeching lunatics operating under one, prissy, collective hivemind.
Because you’ve, like, read stuff. Glad we got that straight.
But all that aside, please inform me- which part of the Conservative mind is responsible for the huffy, ridiculously dramatic, “I’m leaving and never coming back WAAAAAAAAAH!” posts, and which is responsible for completely ignoring them and returning fifteen minutes later?
The idea that al Qaeda was scrambling for their lives in Afghanistan,
So were the civilians, were they all part of Al Qaeda?
and taking a brutal beating in Iraq,
How could Al Qaeda take a “brutal beating” at a place they weren’t even at?
in your minds, probably had nothing to do with the fact that they weren’t planning a sequel to 9/11.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Double negatives make for needlessly confusing syntax.
oh come now, the Anthrax doesn’t count. That was from someone in our own military….
It’s a well known fact that AO is afraid of brown people. That’s all you need to know about the old coot, really. Best just ignore him and leave him to his rantings.
It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand (Paperback)
~ Jerome Tuccille
Now that oughta be good. I may have to pick that one up just for a laugh.
By the way, Frank, have you done any research into what “liberals” actually believe? You know, besides trolling Oliver’s blog.
LOL Repack,
No I was referring to the obvious signs before the muslim whackjob traiter murdered innocent Americans at Ft. Hood.
Of course you were, but unless I am mistaken, he had never been mentioned in a PDB as a threat to the nation. So if Obama is negligent for not pursuing something that had never been brought to his attention, by your standards, Bush is a monster for going on vacation after a warning at the highest level of presidential attention that our most accomplished terrorist enemy had us in his sights. So why weren’t you talking about the 8/6/01 PDB?
American citizens, even whack jobs like the right-wing terrorist Scott Roeder, who had already committed terrorist crimes before shooting Dr. George Tiller, cannot be imprisoned for what they might do. The Fort Hood shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, is a native-born American citizen who has all the rights that you do. Mr. Hindsight, how would you have proceeded against a man who had not yet committed a crime?
It’s not too politically correct to observe but muslims are the source of the globe’s terrorism problem.
And twenty years ago it was the competing sects of Christians, the
shiites and sunnisCatholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland who were setting new records for terrorist carnage just about every week. Your point seems to be that atheists are the safest people to be around because every religion produces terrorists.While you don’t want to put all your eggs in one basket, concentrating your focus on the primary source of the problem is much more effective than dilligently pursuing the elderly senior citizens least likely to be terrorists.
I don’t think America is ready for a War on Religion.
LOL SQ,
Being PC requires overlooking the obvious. You’ll have to do better than the “being afraid of brown people” mimeme.
Repack,
Yes he is a US citizen entitled to all the rights of any other. As a US citizen with all the rights of any other and a member of the military it is unfortunate that his prior treasonous behavior was given a pass instead of being acted upon in a constitutionally correct fashion.
And indeed he was native born which entitles him to citizenship yet he is not of native stock and his behavior shows the consequences of not being careful about who we allow into the country. Your red herring about Ireland is relevant only as an observation of who might be worthy of more scrutiny at the time of the Irish terrorism. We are not fighting a war against religion but we are fighting a war against members of a religion. That’s a subtle difference that is hard for liberals such as yourself to grasp.
The benefits of diversity where the nation resembles a cosmopolitan slice of the world as a whole do not exceed the downside of assimilating the manner and fashion of the third world into our culture. Let them come here to be Americans not enemy infiltrators as Hasan was, his birthplace having nothing to do with his loyalties.
And indeed he was native born which entitles him to citizenship yet he is not of native stock and his behavior shows the consequences of not being careful about who we allow into the country.
How do you define “native stock?” Unless your ancestors got here 10,000 years ago, you are not “native stock” either. Are his actions any more horrific than those of native sons (but white guys) Tim McVeigh, Scott Roeder or Eric Rudolph? Interesting that you use a racist argument only when your target is conveniently different looking than you, even though McVeigh, Roeder and Rudolph operated out of the exact same conservative whacko mindset.
You never explained why Mr. Obama’s “negligence” was worse than GWB going on vacation after the highest level of presidential terrorism alert. And you won’t, will you?
The benefits of diversity where the nation resembles a cosmopolitan slice of the world as a whole do not exceed the downside of assimilating the manner and fashion of the third world into our culture.
Why not? I think our coutry is great, even if you don’t. Perhaps you have noticed that our president is of mixed race, his father being from the “Third World.” Looks to me like he’s more successful than you are, and I’m sure that hurts.
Let them come here to be Americans not enemy infiltrators as Hasan was, his birthplace having nothing to do with his loyalties.
He “infiltrated” by being born here. How would you address the problem of infant “infiltrators?” Is there a test you can do to see which dark babies might harbor a grudge in forty years and which might grow up to be president. Why aren’t you concerned about which white babies will grow up to be McVeighs or Rudolphs?
Do you understand how unhinged and racist your arguments are? Probably not.
And indeed he was native born which entitles him to citizenship yet he is not of native stock …
You always out yourself as the racist fuck you are, Amused. Never fails.
indeed he was native born which entitles him to citizenship yet he is not of native stock and his behavior shows the consequences of not being careful about who we allow into the country
Is that a quote from Russell Means?
Curious – are Jews “native stock?” How about Italians? Greeks, Armenians, Poles, Chinese, Japanese?
Seems to me only assholes like yourself are “native stock” LOL.
LOL,
You can not accept the historical truth that this country was founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans. Assimilation of different peoples has been a source of great strength in this country. That is the true benefit of diversity. Diversity as prescribed by the left is based on anything but assimilation.
Culture changes with demographics. Change is inevitable but to throw away the culture that created this country is foolish. Hasan was unassimialted as an American despite the geographical accident of his birth. Trying to compare the horrific crimes of native sons of native stock to a man like Hasan is quite beside the point. McVeigh and Rudolph had a serious grudge against the policies and actions of our govt. as did Hasan. The difference lies in his loyalties. Hasan identified with and acted as an agent of our enemies unlike your examples.
It’s nice you feel our country is great but if you truly don’t see the downside of accepting the norms of the third world as our own you’re living in a state of delusion that is probably unable of being cured. Obama’s success causes me pain only in that his success is built and measured by the amount of socialism he can force upon the country.
I have noticed, as you mention, that Obama is of mixed race, what of it? It is not his ancestry that is the problem but his world view. The man is a sociopath to whom the truth is an utter stranger.
His negligence in this matter stems from the people and policies of his administration as well as the weakness he projects internationally. When the cat’s away the mice will play, the results are even worse if the mice are convinced the cat is, LOL, a pussy. They cause the maximum amount of mischief when they are unafraid of the cat all together. Remember the difference in Iranian behavior between Carter and Reagan? Obama is on his way to achieving the what had seemed impossible, looking weaker than Carter.
Culture changes with demographics.
Yup, race = culture. The higher and purer the race, the higher and purer the culture.
You really are scum.
Hasan identified with and acted as an agent of our enemies unlike your examples.
By what moron logic was McVeigh not an enemy of this country?
You can not accept the historical truth that this country was founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans.
Coulda swore all those black folks who started arriving in chains by the millions in the 17th century were from Africa, and I seem to see a lot of their descendants ten or fifteen generations later. I’m sure you admire the European work ethic of the slaveholders, who sometimes watched their human property for sixteen hours a day as black labor built a free country for you.
Do you think a European whose family arrived AFTER the black slaves should be considered less “native” than a black American? How can you determine which of the European looking folks fit that description?
this country was founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans.
And kidnapped Africans. And Asians who worked for a standard of living only a little better than African slaves. Oh, and the folks who were already here when the “Englishmen and [E]uropeans” showed up.
Really, AO, why are you so cautious about saying “white people?” Your meaning is quite obvious.
“By what moron logic was McVeigh not an enemy of this country?”
Timmy McVeigh wasn’t a Muslim and/or an Arab…duh.
Remember the difference in Iranian behavior between Carter and Reagan?
Baw! Do we ever! It’s amazing what dictators will do for a couple of planeloads of Stingers, isn’t it?
Assimilation of different peoples has been a source of great strength in this country. That is the true benefit of diversity.
So what? You’re saying the Trail of Tears was a good thing?
Change is inevitable but to throw away the culture that created this country is foolish.
Define “American culture”.
We are not fighting a war against religion but we are fighting a war against members of a religion. That’s a subtle difference that is hard for liberals such as yourself to grasp.
Could’ve fooled me.
Farris, if the idea of “assimilate or be exterminated” doesn’t make you at least feel uncomfortable, that’s your problem, not ours.
When the cat’s away the mice will play, the results are even worse if the mice are convinced the cat is, LOL, a pussy. They cause the maximum amount of mischief when they are unafraid of the cat all together.
So right. If the guy in office today is weak on defense, what would you say about a President who sat by while terrorists snatched four planes and used them to kill nearly 3,000 people?
LOL,
The point is not whether or not McVeigh was an enemy of his govt. but weather he identified as an American or not. Perhaps too subtle a distinction for some.
Quaker you usually have some point of logic to hang your arguement on, try again.
Zython, I already did. We are a nation founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans. Our dominent culture, law, values, and norms start with the British and British common law.
Repack,
Your references to africans have little to do with anything. Human bondage has never been a pretty sight. It has existed throughout time and still exists today. The institution of slavery was effectively diminished by the actions of the British Navy and later outlawed in this nation by Constitutional edict after the Civil War. The enslaved africans you refer to that were imported for plantation labor had little to do with the creation and founding of this country other than a contribution of brawn that was utilized in the plantation economy. The only benefits they gave the country as slaves was perhaps a diminishment in the cost of textiles and tobacco and a lower wage for manual labor in some parts of the nation. A rather dubious value taken as a whole.
Post civil war as emancipated citizens they have contributed to the advancement of this country in various degrees pursuing their own self interests in common with the rest of the nation.
The point is not whether or not McVeigh was an enemy of his govt. but weather he identified as an American or not. Perhaps too subtle a distinction for some.
And that’s a point in McVeigh’s favor why? Because in his heart of hearts he never betrayed his “native stock” which is some kind of plus for racist fucks?
The Beltway Sniper murders occurred “on American soil” AFTER the 9/11 attacks as well. Just another “unserious” terror attack, I guess, in the idiot mind of the V.S. writer.
We are a nation founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans. Our dominent culture, law, values, and norms start with the British and British common law.
So wouldn’t that be “British Culture”, then?
fafaroo,
You seem particularly dense this evening.
And you are as stupid and racist as ever.
AO is a racist old coot who tacitly admits his racism and is, in fact, proud of it. He thinks it makes him better and smarter than the rest of us. While I normally believe that exposing such tripe to the light of day is a good thing, by engaging him we are simply giving him more opportunities to spout his racist polemics and feel good about himself. He will never change, he will never give so much as an inch regardless of how much evidence or reasoned argument you present him with.
Ignore him. He likely won’t go away, but at least we can deny him the satisfaction of pretending that his arguments are worthy of response.
The enslaved africans you refer to that were imported for plantation labor had little to do with the creation and founding of this country other than a contribution of brawn that was utilized in the plantation economy.
That would be THE ENTIRE ECONOMY of the South. And everything built there before 1860.
Tell me, do you applaud the “work ethic” of the guys with whips?
AO is a racist old coot who tacitly admits his racism and is, in fact, proud of it.
In keeping with the title of O-Dub’s post, we are getting a good look at a conservative “mind.”
Quaker you usually have some point of logic to hang your arguement on, try again.
AO to plain English translation: Having been surprised by the disjuncture between my earlier bloviation and simple truth, I retreat.
Abused Medulla Oblongata and her Euro-centric myopic tunnel vision fear of a brown planet grows very feeble and infirm. Eager death panelists hover over their smite buttons…
he is not of native stock
I understand that College Inn makes a fine native stock. You can find it in the soup asile of your local grocer’s.
It matters little where a culture “starts” but matters more where it will end up. It’s called history. Get used to it, it ain’t going away just cause you want it to. Your tribe’s days are numbered and you know it. Your “world” is slipping away and your fear of this fact is evident in almost everything you post on this subject. You are Willard and an american fool. Fool LOL.
I have to object here: I personally think Fred Willard is very funny.
I meant the rat.
I can’t believe you people are defending either party, they are both grabage, should all be dragged from their offices kicking and screamming and hung from the nearest tree. For the record, the con man is a statist, and is just picking up where bush left off. Both parties have been hijacked, and are doing their level best to destroy the constitution. Neither party cares about the people…………….WAKE UP!
Well, near the end of the day on the last day of what’s been a crappy decade, it should be obvious that today’s conservatives are not about moral, fiscal, constitutional, literal… conservatism, but about maintaining the status quo.
The ‘average guy fighting the elites’ thing has been complete bullshit. This decade we learned “conservatives” couldn’t care less if an elite screwed them over as long as it was one of ‘their’ elites. And they’re cloaked in an American flag and Bible. But I guess it takes a “liberal mind” to see this.
As much as I hate using the terms liberals and conservatives, you don’t think liberals do the same thing when one of their guys screws them over? Let’s get one thing straight, it’s not right to be screwed over by anybody, and if sombody in the party you support (or used to support) screws you over, you need to call them on it. Stop blindly following politicians simply because they claim to be republican or democrat. It doesn’t take a “liberal mind” or a “conservative mind” to see anything, all you have to do is use your head.
It’s not British culture because we won’t play cricket and call football soccer.
A not so pleasant peek inside the liberal mind:
via AOSHQ
Salon.com editor and FOOW Joan Walsh on Hardball last Wednesday:
Gary Kamiya, writing in Joan Walsh’s Salon webzine, soon after the fall of Baghdad:
Gawd.
“I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong.”
SECRETLY WISHED, not publicly wishing every single minute of every single day. BIG difference there chief.
Don’t you know that in Dennis’s world, to wish for something is just like making it happen for real?
After all, he is a conservative.
So you admit that Liberals are deliberatly dishonest about their intentions.
I saw that Hardball episode and thought Walsh went a little far in the rhetoric but this response is just stupid.
Walsh says something on Hardball which makes her a hypocrite because a writer wrote something else in Salon? So now editors have to agree one hundred percent with everything written in their magazines? Editors aren’t allowed to let conflicting opinions into their pages?
As if that wasn’t stupid enough, just read the whole offending article from 2003: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/04/11/liberation/index1.html
Here’s everything that follows after what you and Ace of Morons left out:
In other words, the essay concludes with a clear call for the moral necessity to be hopeful and to commitment to making things right in Iraq for the Iraqi people. God forbid someone should speak openly and honestly about their conflicted feelings, their troubled conscience and how they arrived at a certain moral position.
A new year but same old Dennis. Too stupid and lazt tio think for himself or verify anything he finds on the internet, he gets his talking points from other right wing morons, too stupid and lazy to verify the facts behind their own spin.
What hacks.
Save, read the whole article and tell us what the author’s intentions are.
We’ll see how good your reading comprehension skills are.
Nice one. From the Debate for Wingnuts Handbook, Rule #63: Take it out of context. ‘Cause maybe nobody’ll notice (see Rule#22). God knows I wouldn’t (see Rules#2 and #15). Especially if you speak authoritatively, y’all (Rule#3). And be sure to exclamate after the quote you posted with a single Malkin-style word-polemic (Rule #33). And what’s context anyways? Some kind of pomo mind trick (see Rule#98)? And what decent God-fearing Real American cares anyways, since all Liberals are always un-American traitorous commie islamofacist/brownie tools anyways. (See Rule #1)…
Well, that’s an interesting, and totally intellectually honest, bit of exrapolation.
So let’s see: Rush Limbaugh isn’t conflicted- he’s famously, and publicly, on record for wanting America to fail under Obama. And I’d say he’s a touch more influential than Joan Walsh…
So, by your logic (and here we’re using the term in its loosest sense), all conservatives not-even-remotely-secretly yearn and pray for America to fail. Q.E.D.
“…should all be dragged from their offices kicking and screaming and hung from the nearest tree.”
You’re a class act, James, all the way.
‘Mr Pollak, I read more stuff about liberals in a week than you do about Conservatives in a year. That is why you, and your ilk , know nothing about conservatives, let alone what is in their minds.’
Your incessant rants about the evils of Liberals, derived no doubt from your years of experience trolling Left wing websites, provides you with the insight and objectivity to ‘know’ the Progressive mindset, but our exposure to you and your fellow Conservative rabble ad infinitum offers no clue as to the dim rumblings of the Right wing viewpoint?
That is simply laughable.
‘It’s not too politically correct to observe but muslims are the source of the globe’s terrorism problem. ‘
Which of course has NOTHNG whatsoever to do with the fact that Western nations have been meddling in the political operation of Muslim countries for the express purpose of controlling their populations and stealing their resources for over one hundred years?
What an idiotic statement you make; what else is new?
‘And indeed he was native born which entitles him to citizenship yet he is not of native stock and his behavior shows the consequences of not being careful about who we allow into the country.’
Native born but not of native stock.
But you don’t have anything against Brown people.
Got it; couldn’t be more clear.
‘You can not accept the historical truth that this country was founded by Englishmen and peopled by europeans.’
Jesus Christ on a cracker; your country was STOLEN from Native Americans and Mexicans by Englishmen.
Your revision of history is just endlesss, isn’t it?
‘Assimilation of different peoples has been a source of great strength in this country. That is the true benefit of diversity. Diversity as prescribed by the left is based on anything but assimilation.’
For the love of….you really need to stop honing your debating skills in a knowledge vacuum.
Assimilation is the ANTITHESIS of diversity; you cannot have variety when you advocate that everyone be the same.
‘The point is not whether or not McVeigh was an enemy of his govt. but weather he identified as an American or not. Perhaps too subtle a distinction for some.’
Oh; so because he IDENTIFIED as an American, and obviously LOOKED like one in your eyes, he wasn’t in the same league as HASSAN, despite their having the exact same objective of killing innocent American citizens?
Jesus, you really are bad at this.
‘The enslaved africans you refer to that were imported for plantation labor had little to do with the creation and founding of this country other than a contribution of brawn that was utilized in the plantation economy.’
OMFG; that is just unbelievably untrue.
I’m sure it makes you new friends at your monthly Klan rallies howeer.