National Review’s Mark Krikorian Honest On Conservative Hatred Of Latinos
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I prefer when conservatives admit their hate and don’t sugarcoat things:
One of the Census Bureau’s “partners” has produced a poster urging Hispanics (illegal aliens, really) to be counted next year, just as the Holy Family went to Bethlehem to be counted:
Conservatives widely view latinos as not really Americans, and the vast majority of con talk on immigration is just the same old minority bashing we’re used to from the right. Krikorian drops the mask here for a second, showing us that they think hispanic = illegal alien.
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The one true electoral gift Bush tried to give them (a growing voting block) and they throw it away.
Cons think white makes right
So, a post commenting on the political motivations of a poster created by the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials is racist. That’s an interesting take. Just to be clear, is being against illegal immigration just simply racist, period?
No, its reflexively saying hispanic=illegal alien that is racist.
Ironically, if anyone is suggesting that, it’s you. The article was positing that the poster was targeting illegal aliens, as opposed to Hispanics, generally. That there is a difference is the very basis of the post.
Oliver, the campaign is directed at ILLEGAL ALIENS as this organization believes that illegal aliens should be part of any census count. It is no secret to anybody that The National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials encourages illegal aliens to be part of census counts.
It’s just stupid for you to try and turn this on Krikorian.
Do you support illegal aliens being part of a census count?
And the real outrage here is NALEO using Joseph, Jesus and Mary as a way of coercing illegals to have themselves counted in the census as a large percentage of Latinos are Roman Catholic. It’s also deplorable for Democrats to use them to help boost their Congressional representation.
Again, it is the writer that makes the connection, not me. Cons just don’t think hispanic people could possibly be legal immigrants.
That’s odd. I’m a conservative and don’t hate latinos, hispanics, or blacks! Strawman arguement exposed!
And aren’t conservatives 100% behind Marco Rubio in the Florida Senate race?
Miguel Estrada finds a hole in your logic.
Again, it is the writer that makes the connection, not me. Cons just don’t think hispanic people could possibly be legal immigrants.
Actually, that’s a stupid blanket statement. He’s pointing out the absurdity of an organization using this campaign to target ILLEGAL aliens.
Hispanics illegal aliens.
Your pretzel logic stuns again.
No, its reflexively saying hispanic=illegal alien that is racist.
Except that’s not what the writer is saying. At all.
Halfway sort of on topic, Mark Krikorian, about a year ago:
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Cause and Effect?
[Mark Krikorian]
I really thought this was a joke, but it’s not. WaMu’s final press release, before it sank beneath the waves (h/t Sailer): WaMu Recognized as Top Diverse Employer—Again
Company ranks in top ten of Hispanic Business’ Diversity Elite and earns perfect score on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index
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Cause and Effect? Because having hispanics in your company causes businesses to fail, amirite? C’mon, who’s with me?
He’s pointing out the absurdity of an organization using this campaign to target ILLEGAL aliens.
Jay, how do you know that the group is targeting its campaign to illegal aliens? Has the group explicitly stated this? Because nothing in the NRO post or the WaPo article that verifies this claim.
There’s just Krikorian saying “Hispanics, oh yeah right, we all know what that means.”
One of the Census Bureau’s “partners” has produced a poster urging Hispanics (illegal aliens, really)
1. Hispanics are illegal aliens, really, by defition.
2. Hispanic and Latino elected officials want to make sure their constituents are counted in the census. Their constituents are Hispanic and therefore, presumably, illegal aliens.
3. Non-profit organizations that serve the Hispanic and Latino community in this country are siphoning off money from good, honest, hard-working American tax-payers in order to provide services to their constituents, who are Hispanic and therefore, presumably, illegal aliens.
No, not racist at all.
I’m a liberal, and I really get off on torture and stupid wars of aggression.
You see– two can play at this game!
Yes. It is.
On re-reading this:
There’s so much stupid in this paragraph it’s hard to know where to begin.
Let’s start with the fact that there’s a little step between the number of seats apportioned to a state in Congress and who ends up sitting in those seats: Elections. And you don’t get to vote in elections just because you were counted in the census. You still have to be a legal resident.
There are a lot of ways that NALEO could try to increase the number of Hispanics in elected office but getting more Hispanics to sign up for the census ain’t one of ‘em.
Jay, where on earth did you get the notion that the undocumented aren’t supposed to be counted in the census?
I think we have another example of Constitutional literalism until it becomes inconvenient. The Constitution directs that the population is to be enumerated. It doesn’t say anything about citizenship.
So now conservatives are a-OK with census workers showing up at our doors demanding proof of citizenship? If the Obama administration tried it, the yelling would continue for the remainder of our lifetimes.
LOL,
First where is the typical liberal outrage over the issue of the separation of church and state? Hypocrisy is a bipartisan failing but it’s here in spades on this issue.
Second, the headline Conservatives honest on hate of latinos. Could this possibly have been stated in a fashion any more false than this? Possibly, Ollie twists things beyond all recognition all the time but this is as false as it gets.
Third, they are here illegally. They are criminals, not citizens. The census is counting the people of the nation for the purposes of apportioning representation. Criminials from another country hiding amongst us are not those who should be counted for the purposes of apportioning representation. They should be carefully counted and deported. They’re not here legally, they’re criminals and should be swiftly deported.
The politicians that seek to increase their power by the addition of criminals from another country to either the count or the voting rolls are by any definition corrupt and have placed the needs of themselves or the ethnic group they identify with above that of the nation.
But most of the people posting here want the criminals from other countries hiding amongst us to be counted and to be able to vote to help concentrate power for the Democrat party and further the progressive goals of increasing socialism.
Third, they are here illegally.
“They” are Hispanic Americans, AO. The campaign is clearly aimed at Hispanic citizens of the United States. You are making the same false assertion that Krikorian did, namely, assuming that all Latinos and Hispanics are illegal aliens.
Many of them have been here longer than you and yours have, amigo.
SQ, Your assumption are regarding me are incorrect, as is your blanket statement that the poster is aimed only at Americans. I read the article, looked at the poster, and think it likely that a portion of it’s targeted audience are illegal aliens. He’s not talking about Americans that have historic roots in Latin America he’s talking about newcomers here illegally, which he clearly states. As am I.
Now how you judge how long they’ve been here is a bit subjective. Most hispanics are a mixture of european and indian blood. The indian half is really transplanted asian and has been here since the land bridge exodus. the transplanted asian half has me and mine beat for how long they’ve been here. The european half has to go pretty far back to beat some of my relations for early arrival dates on the continent. As far as citizenship, well mine were 3rd generation at the revolutionary war so that is by every defintion at the ground floor. I notice you didn’t touch the church and state issue.
As fafaroo and QB have pointed out, it’s stupid to oppose the counting of illegal immigrants in the census; those who do are probably motivated by race-based insecurity and a compulsion to deny reality in an effort to protect themselves, as ostriches do.
However, Oliver is clearly misreading and misrepresenting Krikorian’s statement. The poster, which says “don’t be afraid”, is clearly aimed at illegal aliens and not at Hispanics in general — because Hispanics who are not illegal aliens obviously have no reason to be afraid of the census. So when Krikorian says [o]ne of the Census Bureau’s “partners” has produced a poster urging Hispanics (illegal aliens, really) to be counted next year, the three words in parentheses are a way of saying “or more specifically, illegal aliens”. Krikorian is not saying or suggesting that all Hispanics are illegal aliens.
The mask isn’t slipping. It’s firmly in place. It’s still a mask, of course, and I don’t disagree about what’s behind it — but there’s no “gotcha” here.
How do you propose to “count them and deport them,” AO? Have a government employee go door to door demanding to see their papers?
You reveal a new and more disturbing side of your politics every day, don’t you?
C’mon Mr. I-understand-the-Constitution-better-than-nine-stupid-justices. Show us where the Constitution says the census counts only citizens.
Maybe you’d like to compromise? Maybe you’d be satisifed to count Hispanics as three-fifths of a person?
It’s not citizens or non citizens. It’s legal residents vs. criminals in hiding Quaker. The constitution is clear about who to count. What was unforeseen was that partisans would actively encourage criminals to hide in this country as a means of accummulating power. But then again you’re not really interested in the topic you’re just baiting me a bit.
Why do you have an issue with deporting criminals in hiding where ever and when ever we can find them? The census already involves government employees going door to door. It may be coincidence but I’ve never had a census taker approach my house and count me and mine ever. Close enough for govt. work I suppose.
It may be coincidence but I’ve never had a census taker approach my house and count me and mine ever.
Yup, it all comes down to victimhood. AO has never been counted! Why? Because the government is too busy being pushed around by Hispanic elected officials trying to game the system by exploiting illegal aliens.
AO, how many excuses do you have for being a miserable person?
What was unforeseen was that partisans would actively encourage criminals to hide in this country as a means of accummulating power.
Well of course that wasn’t foreseen. At the time the Constitution was written, landowners were forcibly abducting people and bringing them into the country against their will. And even then, they still counted them in the census.
The Constitution says the government is to “enumerate the population.” That includes everybody who lives here.
Why do you have an issue with deporting criminals in hiding where ever and when ever we can find them?
Explain yourself, AO. If you’re going to insist that the census exclude anyone in the country illegally, how do you propose to identify them? Does the government demand citizenship papers from anyone with an accent or a skin tone darker than wonder bread?
LOL fafaroo, I was speaking to the quality of govt. workers not a grand conspiracy to count or miscount Mexicans.
Quaker, You’re a gas. The landowners were buying people not bringing them into the country. Slavers were buying slaves from mostly muslim slave traders and importing them into the country. Islamic traders were buying slaves mostly from wild africans who captured or abducted other wild africans in tribal warfare sometimes specifically for trade other times for their own use. Get it straight, will ya?
LOL fafaroo, I was speaking to the quality of govt. workers not a grand conspiracy to count or miscount Mexicans.
AO, do you know anything about the census? They send people to everyone’s houses.
Certainly fafaroo, my point exactly. They are supposed to send people to everyone’s house but they don’t.
Who were the original illegal aliens over here? White Europeans. No one asked them in. But they came anyway, causing uncountable numbers of deaths by disease, guns and enslavement. A great step forward for us would be for all the AOs and like minded individuals to fuck themselves all the way back to whatever country their ancestors came from.
Um, actually, that was a typo on my part. They don’t send someone to everyone’s houses. They only send census takers out to people who didn’t mail in their applications:
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/census-taker.php
You’re an idiot, AO.
Criminals in prisons are counted in the census. So is it all criminals who you object to being counted, or just Hispanic ones?
“Wild Africans”? My, you are unrepentant in your racism, aren’t you?
While it looks to me like the poster really does target “illegal aliens” by using the phrase “Don’t be afraid,” it’s always Amusing to Observe AO’s “Who, me? Racist?” response to this kind of thing.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who noticed his choice of words: “mostly muslim slave traders” and, especially, “wild africans,” making me picture the extras in a Johnny Weismuller Tarzan movie from 1938.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who noticed his choice of words: “mostly muslim slave traders” and, especially, “wild africans,” making me picture the extras in a Johnny Weismuller Tarzan movie from 1938.
AO’s worldview, in a nutshell.
The question is not who should be counted (count everyone with a pulse, for all I care) but rather, who shall be counted for purposes of representation.
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You guys sure are a sensitive bunch of litle hothouse flowers. The adjectives you use to describe conservative americans are far more hateful and intolerant than anything I might write.
And fafaroo, the same guys that manage the census counts are the people you want to take over healthcare. I’ve never turned in a census mailer and I’ve never had a census taker come to my house in the last 30 years. I didn’t coin the phrase “close enough for govt. work”. It does indicate a general awareness that govt. workers really aren’t that dedicated to applying themseves.
Bruce nice of you to concede the point that Ollie is once again playing the race card in a dishonest manner to discredit conservatives.
I’ve never turned in a census mailer and I’ve never had a census taker come to my house in the last 30 years.
Do you know what that makes you AO? A criminal in hiding.
Lol fafaroo, not yet!
Amused, you are required by law to fill out and return the census form. You do know that, right?
The adjectives you use to describe conservative americans are far more hateful and intolerant than anything I might write.
I have to admit that I am hard pressed to think of anything that could be much more hateful or intolerant than using the phrase “wild africans” with its connotation that all Africans are savages straight out of a Tarzan movie. But then, AO probably thinks Tarzan movies were documentaries, given his neanderthal comments since appearing on OWs blog.
btw AO, is your caps button broken, or is your refusal to capitalize either “muslim” or “african” just another way to show your disdain for non-Europeans?
And explain to us again how internecine warfare among African tribes absolves european christians of their responsibility for treating human beings as chattel, abusing them, raping their wives, and selling their children?
Never mind, please don’t. I don’t think my stomach could take it.
The landowners were buying people not bringing them into the country.
Whatever. They were still counted in the census. The census bureau’s job is to count everybody who lives here.
True. My mother received a application, but misplaced it. The day I was visiting her a census lady came to her door. It only took a few minutes for her to take the census data and went on her way.
I can’t let this go. Wasn’t going to waste my time with someone so clearly stuck on stupid, but there may be other folks just as ignorant as you AO. You are clearly uneducated, and know nothing about the history of the TransAtlantic Slave Trade, and the middle passage.
I am not paid to give you a history class, but I suggest that you read texts written by:
John Hope Franklin
Dr. Clark
Dr.Ben
As for your “wild” Africans comment, your ignorance screams volumes. You obviously have no clue about the rich and intellectually thriving ancient African civilizations, which birthed astronomy, mathematics, physics. The Greeks would travel to Alexandra to study. The Moorish invasion in 738AD
In 1500BC ancient African civilizations along the Ivory Coast traded with the Phoenicians. The Zingh civilization existed about 15 thousand years ago where the earliest trade between the Ancient Africans and earliest Americans occurred. Oh sheez, for Black Christ’s sake, READ A DAMN BOOK!
I should have posted my reply to that idiot AO, here but I responded to his “wild” African comment under the comment. For anyone who believes that nonsense, please peruse my post and copy the names of three well known historians, and read their texts. And now, I need a break from this blog. As much as I appreciate Oliver and Quaker, some of the folks here are just plain dysfunctional! Reading their post, daily is hazardous to your health!
Actually, I believe the campaign is directed at Hispanics who are being told by another group (National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders) to not participate in the census in protest of the failure to enact immigration reform (see http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/15/census-latinos-boycott/). The post that Oliver is commenting on assumes that the purpose is to count illegals, which is not really the case, and making that assumption could easily be viewed as racist.
Maybe while Connie’s on a break, she can read Not Out of Africa by Mary Lefkowitz.
I concede nothing, AO. I just drew a different conclusion than Oliver did.
I don’t think I’ve EVER read something you wrote here and said, “Hmm, AO’s got a point there!”
Will it ever happen? I doubt it.
The best part is the casual Bible reference that he clearly does not understand.
Pt 2/15 Dr.Clarke vs. Mary Lefkowitz-The Black …
11 min – Mar 31, 2008
http://www.youtube.com
She’s debunked by all serious scholars of ancient history. There are many that try and deny the rich history and contribution African countries have made to the development of the world. She actually claims that Cleopatrata There are even those who would try and debate whether or not Africans are “beasts” ie: Charles Carol’s “IN THE IMAGE OF GOD”.
Frank read Dr. Clarke, as well as Lefkowitz and then we’ll talk.
You know, I often disagree with your analysis, but deep down inside I bet you’re a sweetheart. Thanks for keeping me on my toes…….It’s all about love, right?