Abdulsalam S. al-Zahrani: Student Charged With Stabbing Death Of Professor
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The student, Abdulsalam S. al-Zahrani, was charged with second-degree murder in the death of the professor, Richard T. Antoun, who was stabbed in his office in the university’s Science I building on Friday afternoon, said Gerald F. Mollen, the district attorney in Broome County. ‘We believe the murder weapon was recovered,’ he said.
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- Abdulsalam S. al-Zahrani
Some of Richard T. Antoun’s Work
Religious Fundamentalisms and the Human Rights of Women (Book Review)
Muslim Preacher in the Modern World: A Jordanian Case Study in Comparative Perspective
Arab Village: Social Structure of a Transjordanian Peasant Community
Richard Antoun’s resume
(PhD Harvard University 1963), Professor Emeritus of Anthropology, is a sociocultural anthropologist who has conducted research among peasants in Jordan, urbanites in Lebanon, peasant-farmers in Iran, and migrants in Texas and Greece. His scholarly interests center on comparative religion and symbolic systems, the social organization of tradition in Islamic law and ethics, the sociology of dispute with respect to tribal law in the Middle East, local-level politics, and the impact of transnational migration on education, work, and cultural change.
Richard T. Antoun was a caring and gentle man who spent his life trying to dispel stereotypes about different cultures, especially Middle Eastern cultures, his colleagues at Binghamton University said Friday.
“An important part of what he did was to show Middle Eastern people as human beings with emotions just like our own,” said Donald Quataert, a professor of history at BU who had worked with Antoun since 1986.
He was also the friendly neighbor, remarkable for his kind manner and his engaging disposition.
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Please let this have been because of a gambling debt, or arguing over catsup or ketchup, or a lover’s spat. Don’t like a Saudi Muslim have murdered a professor who spent tried to write how Muslims aren’t viscious murderers.
“Richard T. Antoun was a caring and gentle man who spent his life trying to dispel stereotypes about different cultures, especially Middle Eastern cultures,”
The irony of having your life’s work shown to be wishful thinking at the cost of your life can’t be overstated. There is a pattern attached to the religion of peace, purely coincidental of course.
Yes, Christianity does preach peace but some of its followers are violent nutters. All religions have fruitcakes.
Here we go again with the comparison between Christianity and Islam.
What nonsense. There are no Christians committing acts of violence on a regular basis, all around the world, in accordance with the teachings of Christianty. It does not exist.
What the hell was I smoking when I wrote that second line.
Whatever it was . . . don’t keep it all to yourself!
*cough*
Also, Fundamentalist Christians aren’t violent in this country because they have power. They don’t bomb abortion clinics and kill gays and Muslims on a regular basis because they don’t need to. The system can do their dirty work for them. Why use pitchforks and torches to run Planned Parenthood out of town when you just slap them with bogus zoning violations and get the same results? Most people would much rather have the system do their dark deeds for them rather than get their hands dirty. See: Socialized Vengeance (aka: capital punishment).
Zython, the IRA’s been out of biz for a while.
So, it’s because the Christians are in power that they’re not violent? Well, there are a lot of places where Christians aren’t in power. Where are they engaged in a violent uprising?
On the other hand, Muslim killings occur in places where they are in power or not.
There’s only one major religion in the world right now which has members slaughtering thousands of people — in and out of their faith — explicitly in the name of that faith.
And it is so, so telling that SFC B is so desperate for this to NOT be another case of Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. Because if it is such a case, then SFC’s denial that there is a very real, very dangerous struggle going on between militant Islam and the rest of the world, and that it’s so very, very hard to tell a radical Islamist from an average Muslim, is tremendously — perhaps mortally — threatened.
And that would really upset the little fantasy world where the biggest threats are evolutionists, bigots, law-abiding gun owners, tea partiers, Fox News, and insurance companies are the biggest evils.
Did I miss any other boogeymen, SFC?
But I’m sure that the killer’s faith was utterly irrelevant.
Like it was at Fort Hood.
Like it was for the DC snipers.
Like it was for the shooting at the Jewish Community Center in Washington.
Like it was at LAX in 2002.
Like it was in the quad of a certain North Carolina college campus.
Like it was when the plane flew into the Bank of America building in Tampa.
Or when Sgt. Akbar fragged his superiors in Kuwait.
Or when that guy ran down a bunch of people in San Francisco with his SUV.
Or when the Army recruiting center in Little Rock was attacked and two soldiers were shot.
Yes, let’s pray like hell that this wasn’t yet another case of Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. Because if this wasn’t, it’ll make everything else go away.
Well, Joe, if Muslims can never be trusted to behave peacefully, and might be a vector for Sudden Jihadi Syndrome at any moment, where is the rationale for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
On the one hand, all followers of Islam are dangerous fanatics and potential suicide bombers. On the other, they are trusted allies in the GlobalWarOnTerror who should be given billions in aid and for whom the sacrifice of thousands of US soldiers is entirely justified.
Which is it?
Modern fundamentalism in the Muslim world is a reactionary movement in response to the West. While Europe went through the Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment, and built Democracies and industrialized economies, the Ottoman Empire spun its tires in corruption and actually moved the Middle East backwards. Once WW I was over and the Ottoman Empire having sided with the Central Powers was hostage to the Allies at the precise moment oil was becoming valued as an important resource and it was discovered to be plentiful in the Middle East, the Middle East became an economic colony of the West. Fundamentalist leaders are responding to the autocratic rule that the West supports to keep oil prices low. They equate Western culture with their misery under these harsh rulers. People n the street see the West as looking down their nose and they know the Islamic Empire was more advanced that the Medieval European culture and their pride is hurt. They feel ‘dissed’ and use verses from the koran to justify their frustration at their economic status on the world stage. The subjugation of women is a symptom of their wounded pride, You could make a comparison to the poor rural Whites in the south who subjugated Blacks and resented their rural poverty in comparison to the booming economy of the North.
It is not religious in as much as it is class warfare. Religion is the battle cry, but power and money is the objective.
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/12/muslm-abdulsalam-al-zahrani-has-been.html
Indeed, sir.
I recommend a book called “Destiny Disturbed” by a guy names al-Ansari. Excellent view of history from an Islamic perspective.
Joe,
What about the peace loving Christian man who, 2-3 months ago, stabbed to death the Muslim young mother in the German Court Room, because she asked him to let her child play on the swing along with his child in the park.
As Oliver Williams says “All religions have fruitcakes.”
The irony of having your life’s work shown to be wishful thinking at the cost of your life can’t be overstated. There is a pattern attached to the religion of peace, purely coincidental of course.
I’m having trouble keeping tally, AO. Let’s see, according to you, black people are murderers and Muslims are murderers. Anyone else?
TFJ for you.
Zython, the IRA’s been out of biz for a while.
Oh, really?
Bruce, here’s a news flash for you: I don’t really give a flying fuck about why so many Muslims are psychotic killers — of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. I don’t give a flying fuck about the historical context that put us where we are today. I don’t give a flying fuck for the excuses they use for why Allah wants them to slaughter so many.
I want them to stop. Whether of their own volition, or because they are forced to stop and assume room temperature. Preferably the former, but I’m OK with the latter.
Let me put it into medical terms: when someone is bleeding out, you stop the bleeding. THEN you worry about what caused the bleeding in the first place. Otherwise, you end up with “the operation was a success, but the patient died” syndrome.
Your patience and understanding and tolerance comes with a body count. And guess what? You don’t have to pay that price. That price is most often paid by innocent Muslims around the world — the crazies in Islam (and there are legions of them) most often kill their alleged co-religionists more than they do the unbelievers.
You keep on telling the rank and file innocent Muslims that they have to just hang on a bit longer, watch a few thousand more of their people die, while you figure out how to best get the West to apologize a bit more, the Jews to apologize for existing, and the rest of the Muslim world to sign on with the crazies’ particular strain of Islam, and then you’re sure they’ll stop the crazy killing and we can all join hands and sing the Islamic version of Kumbayah.
Ain’t that how you figure it’ll work?
What nonsense. There are no Christians committing acts of violence on a regular basis, all around the world, in accordance with the teachings of Christianty. It does not exist.
cough, cough
Zython,
Muslims are violent where they aren’t in power and where they are in power. They are violent everywhere you go. Most victims of Islamic terror are other Muslims. Islam is a violent religion. Wake up and hear the call to prayer.
Now, it’s possible that this Saudi killer was just a nut and did this killing out of insanity. However, the murderous religious intolerance of Saudis combined with the professors interest in Islamic topics sets the scene for a charged encounter.
Congratulations, SQ. You found ONE example that, quite frankly, I should have remembered. Of course, I said “are,” and you found one from over a decade ago, but I’ll give it to you.
Note that the horrible, imperialistic, tyrannical West took the side of the Muslims in that part of the conflict against the nominally Christian Serbs. And note that that’s your only example.
If you’re going to parlay that one example into some kind of moral equivalence about how Christians are just as bad — if not worse than — Muslims, though, that’s one hell of a stretch. But I have faith; you’ve shown your ability to twist your logic into the most remarkable knots in the past.
Your A-list material actually includes the Bank of America plane crash? Really?
Let’s review Charles Bishop’s suicide note:
First of all, Osama bin Laden is absolutely justified in the terror he has caused on 9-11. He has brought a mighty nation to its knees! God blesses him and the others who helped make September 11th happen
The U.S. will have to face the consequences for its horrific actions against the Palestinian people and Iraqis by its allegiance with the monstrous Israelis — who want nothing short of world domination!
You will pay — God help you — and I will make you pay!
There will be more coming! Al Qaeda and other organizations have met with me several times to discuss the option of me joining. I didn’t.
This is an operation done by me only. I had no other help, although I am acting on their behalf.
Osama bin Laden is planning on blowing up the Super Bowl with an antiquated nuclear bomb left over from the 1967 Israeli-Syrian War.
If I recall correctly, that last bit is the plot of “Sum of All Fears”. This kid wasn’t Muslim; he was just 15 years old and fucking nuts.
I also notice that your list (accidentally, I’m sure) excludes the handful of abortion murders (and attempted murders, since you’re willing to admit garden variety violence into evidence here) over the past twenty years, as well as the attacks at the Washington Holocaust Museum and the LA JCC shooting. Or any of the high school shootings. Heck, by your logic, we need a final solution for teenagers! They’re all out to get us!
You also left out, ya know, the 16,000+ murders that take place in the US on a regular basis. I’m sure we could find some more common denominators.
But yes, to revieww: these nine dastardly acts (especially the one by a crazy American teenager) spanning a decade are enough to incriminate the entire Muslim population.
So yeah, muslins r teh evil!!!!11!!!!!!
Hahaha genius! You wrote the funniest post ever!
Yeah, SQ- we’ll begrudgingly allow your silly little tens of thousands of Muslims cleansed by Christians example- we’ll spot you that– but this one time a Muslim guy drove his SUV into people in SF like a total dick.
So it’s a wash?
Umm if I’m not wrong Christianity has had centuries of terrorizing other countries (i.e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades )
Also in Uganda (today 2009) they are passing a law saying that if their citizens(aboard or at home) participate homosexual activities they can get jailed time or be put to death….and oh the President of Uganda is part of “The Family”. http://www.yesumulungi.com/index.php/apostasy-watch/390-ugandas-president-museveni-named-in-a-us-evangelical-cult-the-family.html
Islam is the religion of pace .
I am a saudi muslim and i am saying if this person really did this crime he must pay for what he did cause that not my thought that’s what islam says . cause thats not islam and i am a muslim and i am saying it with the highest voice (that is not acceptable )
islam taught us to spread pace all over , islam came only for this
and a human blood is really precious in islam, not only humans , but even animals ,
in the “hadith ” of prophet mohamed : a prostitute women entered heaven just because she saw a thirsty dog , so she filled her shoes with water and gave the dog , only for feeling pity for a “dog” she entered the heaven
if this religion teaching us pace even with animals , so how would it be with humans .
and please watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc
Let’s see how Joe likes having the shoe be on the other foot?
I don’t really give a flying fuck about why so many Republicans are psychotic oppressors — of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. I don’t give a flying fuck about the historical context that put us where we are today. I don’t give a flying fuck for the excuses they use for why Jesus wants them to oppress so many.
Your precious little wars comes with a body count. And guess what? You don’t have to pay that price. That price is most often paid by innocent Muslims around the world.
Not too fun, is it? You’re nothing more than a bigoted arrogant prick, Joe.
The killer should be killed
This is well documented in islam laws and ethics and clearly outlined in Quran:
Al-Ma’idah 5:32 ….. whosoever kills a human being other than (in punishment) for manslaughter or causing corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all humanity, and whoso saved the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all humanity.
To play the issue of conflicts between religions and faiths whenever an an accident or crime happens is provocative non sense
killer is a killer, it does not matter what his faith is.
Whether cristian, muslim, jew or hindu
AOA
Today is December 7.
Let us hope that September 11, 2001 is remembered as long as December 7, 1941.
In the last 50 years, which Chtistian or Jew has strapped explosives to himselves, and blown up innocent civilians — not once, but hundreds of times?
C’mon, you know thw answer…
You. Know.
Of coures, McVeigh & Rudolph didn’t actually strap the explosives to themselves, and that makes all the difference.
Right, Frank?
Right wing guys = 2
Islamic guys = 1,000..maybe 10, 000
right SQ?
You can add the IRA to your tally, Frank, along with the Ulster Protestants. And we could talk about the Hindu fundamentalists in India.
I’m not here to play a numbers game, but to point out that claiming Muslims are the only people who perpetuate violence in the name of their religion is dishonest.
Frank, you’re still here? Why?
Abortion clinic bombers?
claiming Muslims are the only people who perpetuate violence in the name of their religion is dishonest.
I never said that. Pretending that Muslims are not a threat, because most of them are not is not only dishonest; it is suicidal.
Mambo: because I can.
Islam is a totalitarian ideology that likes to put its religious face forward, the way Socialism likes to put its “concern for the ordinary man” forward, but behind the sweet face is Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and draconian, pettifogging Liberal coercion. Islamism uses principles that are accepted by all Muslims and squeezes them into a world view adopted from the great Western totalitarian ideologies. To be a Muslim is to be a potential anti-Western jihadist.
It isn’t necessary to expel all Muslims, or even suspect them. Just as Communists can live peaceful productive lives as long as their ideas don’t affect society, Muslims can live peacefully in a society that suppresses the inhuman impulses of their faith and cultures.
But when a Muslim man starts to act disturbed, talks about death and killing, and complains he is being mistreated because he is a Muslim, it is time to show him the door. This doesn’t have to be legal action; it can and should be institutional. If BU and the Army had had the politically incorrect balls to have turfed out al-Zahrani and Hassan, more than a dozen lives would have been saved. Once al-Zahrani lost his student visa, he could have been sent back to Saudi Arabia. Once Hassan was out of the Army, he could have been kept under surveillance.
Pretending that Muslims are not a threat, because most of them are not is not only dishonest; it is suicidal.
Frank, you’ve admitted that most Muslims are not any threat whatsoever but every strategy presented by the right is predicated on the idea that all Muslims should be treated the same, that is, as potential threats.
We may as well simply arrest all the Italians because some of them are in the Mafia.
Is that what you advocate?
It isn’t necessary to expel all Muslims, or even suspect them. Just as Communists can live peaceful productive lives as long as their ideas don’t affect society, Muslims can live peacefully in a society that suppresses the inhuman impulses of their faith and cultures.
You guys are nuts. Totally effing insane.
You conflate Islam and Islamacism. They are not one and the same, you admit as much in your post.
My insanity may be evident to you, but I must beg your indulgence, if I am too mentally disordered to perceive your inference. I need some help. How about some analysis, argument, evidence, syllogisms? That sort of rational discourse.
To be a Muslim is to be a potential anti-Western jihadist.
And to be a Christian is to be a potential anti-abortion nut who bombs clinics and murders doctors.
Muslims can live peacefully in a society that suppresses the inhuman impulses of their faith and cultures.
Where shall we put the camps, this time?
What sort of rational discourse includes, “Muslims can live peacefully in a society that suppresses the inhuman impulses of their faith and cultures.”??
If I said they are not the same, how can I be conflating them? I do think there is an obvious overlap. All Islamists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamists.
Islamists hold the same theological doctrines as all other Muslims, except for a few Wahhabist ideas, like takfir, or condemning Muslims who don’t agree with them as apostates. It is significant that this in itself has not produced a great swell of condemnation and rejection from both orthodox intellectuals and the people. Perhaps the umma see takfir as at least potentially too useful to be rejected, or they share too much of the Islamists’ anti-Western sentiments to be too hard on them.
In any case, it is absurd that we should make ourselves vulnerable to murderous enemies in order to assume a high moral position in a fantasy playlet that only we are acting in.
What sort of rational discourse includes, “Muslims can live peacefully in a society that suppresses the inhuman impulses of their faith and cultures.”??
I thought I answered that question: “analysis, argument, evidence, syllogisms”. But to take you literally, I mean a discourse that sticks to clear principles, relevant, true propositions, and proper logic. Just saying you disagree with or are appalled by a statement does not demonstrate its falseness or irrationality.
Or are you saying that the quotation is not a true statement? That is, do you assert that Muslims cannot live peacefully in a society that bars, among other things, jihad, honor killings, forced cousin marriages, and female genital mutilation? You and I do it. Why can’t Muslims?
If the statement is false, how is it false? If it is true, how is it irrational?
Just saying you disagree with or are appalled by a statement does not demonstrate its falseness or irrationality.
Nor does simply making a statement imbue it with truth.
That is, do you assert that Muslims cannot live peacefully in a society that bars, among other things, jihad, honor killings, forced cousin marriages, and female genital mutilation?
In other words, “Are you still beating your wife?”
It’s a false dichotomy. I assert that the Muslim religion and culture is not, in and of itself, “inhuman.” Yes, all of the practices you list do exist within a subset of Muslim culture. Female genital mutilation, for example, is of African not Muslim origin and is not solely practiced by Muslims, the vast majority of whom find it as abhorrent as you and I. Honor killings can be found among Hindus, and forced marriages are still practiced within certain cults of Mormonism.
Just saying you disagree with or are appalled by a statement does not demonstrate its falseness or irrationality.
Sean, you wrote:
You’ve clearly not offered any evidence to support this statement and yet you’ve nevertheless decided that it’s true enough to brand Muslims “inhuman” and argue for their suppression.
In other words, your comments are the ravings of a complete loon.
That is, do you assert that Muslims cannot live peacefully in a society that bars, among other things, jihad, honor killings, forced cousin marriages, and female genital mutilation? You and I do it. Why can’t Muslims?
I’ll say it again: The ravings of a complete loon.
O, when I use my normal connection, your site comes up as expired. Until I hear otherwise, I’ll presume you’re blocking me and won’t comment further.
Zython, nice parallel, but your execution was shitty. Lemme try it for you:
I don’t really give a flying fuck about why so many Republicans are psychotic oppressors — of Republicans and non-Republicans alike. I don’t give a flying fuck about the historical context that put us where we are today. I don’t give a flying fuck for the excuses they use for why Jesus wants them to oppress so many. I just want them to stop.
The two key points you fucked up were 1: Regular Muslims are radical Muslims’ most common victims, and 2: I put a priority on stopping them.
Awkward: yes, the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia was done by self-styled Christians. And it was opposed — forcefully — by nominally Christian nations. We (speaking as a non-believer in a predominantly Christian USA) didn’t wring our hands or excuse it or talk about how terribly provoked the Serbs were, we bombed their asses and got them to stop. Where is the Islamic parallel there?
Well, for starters, in Iraq the Iraqis started cleaning up their own houses once they knew the US wasn’t going to cut and run like we have before. Look up “Anbar Awakening.”
cj, you keep missing the point: I ain’t concerned about who killed who centuries ago, I’m more worried about who’s killing who now. And I want it to stop.
SQ, there are major differences between McVeigh and Rudolph, and Islamist terrorists. For one, the first two were a hell of a lot more competent. For another, McVeigh wasn’t religiously motivated.
Let’s see… McVeigh, Nichols, Rudolph… why, only sixteen more, and you’ll equal the number of hijackers involved in 9/11. Better start digging…
Remove tinfoil. My DNS expired and I forgot to renew it. It’s been renewed, but the new info has to propagate to your isp.
The two key points you fucked up were 1: Regular Muslims are radical Muslims’ most common victims, and 2: I put a priority on stopping them…
by waging total war on all Muslims everywhere.
That’s basically what you and the other looney tunes in this thread are saying: “Not all Muslims are violent, although all Muslims are inhuman beasts who could become violent, and so we must wage unending, total war against all Muslim’s everywhere in order to save the innocent ones, who still need to be suppressed.
if Muslims are as u say “violents” what do u call then the US who killed millions of innocent people in Iraq just to take their Oil. I can simply consider the Americans to be the biggest terrorists on this planet. When the United states stops being a Terrorist, the world may become better.
Ten or twelve years ago a US Army captain who was a peacekeeper in Bosnia remarked that when he investigated an incident and asked “What happened here?”, the answer would start “Well, in 1389 . . .”. So while the Serbs certainly hated Muslims for 600 years of brutal Ottoman tyranny, religion was just part of it. After all, how devoted were the Communist rulers of Serbia to the Holy Orthodox Faith? Did they even refer to it in explaining their policies? No. They appealed to Serbian nationalism. And Serbs in Europe and the US did not go bananas and attack their Bosnian or other Muslim neighbors.
It must also be acknowledged that Serbian ethnic cleansing was in no way supported by Christians around the world. Christian relief aid went to Bosnia and Kosovo. Likewise, the leaders and members of the anti-abortion movement and of the churches they belong to condemn and abjure violence, and there is nothing in orthodox Christian theology or social theory sanctioning murder.
But I am granting credence to the cliched slander that Christians are all potential murderers of anyone who disagrees with them. Really?!?! Scott Roeder, accused of shooting Dr. Tillman last May, was active in protesting abortion. He had also been a member of anti-government groups and had a history of mental illness (see Murder of George Tiller – Wikipedia). While he was certainly a Christian, it seems to have been an extreme sect or movement connected with the political groups. Maybe he did feel he was following Jesus, but I have searched Google and have not found any statement by Roeder giving a religious motivation or justification.
To continue the contrast, while we don’t know yet whether al-Zahrani acted with some Islamic purpose or was just acting against a university that had done him wrong, violence against the infidel or in defense of Islam is integral to Islam and has been the expressed as a motivation by the recent one-off jihadists:
-jihad is enjoined on all Muslims;
-on 9/11 there was dancing in the streets from Morocco to Java, from Kenya to Kazakhstan;
-there are thousands of Saudi-funded Wahhabist mosques in this country alone, preaching a separatist, jihadist ideology (Compare with the role of the Christian churches, especially the Catholic Church, in enabling their parishioners to assimilate as Americans while remaining faithful to the tenets of their religion.);
-Muslims who dissent from Islamist ideology must do so anonymously or face death threats and death attempts;
-scholars who challenge Muslim orthodoxy regarding the Koran or Mohammad must go into protective custody.
The contrast seems obvious. It certainly can be discussed with facts, opinions, and logic in a fruitfully calm manner.
Instead, as so often happens, apparently Islam-motivated violence immediately draws forth condemnations of . . . Christianity! The equivalence is so absurdly disproportionate that I wouldn’t dismiss the idea that it is an expression of anti-Christian bigotry. [I might speak with some-ahem-authority on the IRA. They are not Catholics. They represent no sort of Christianity. They are Marxist parasites on social conflict that for historical reasons has a religious dimension. In their romantic hey-day in the 60s to the 90s, the IRA were the darlings of the American LEFT, not American Catholics.]
But there is something even nastier from a civic perspective. Look back on this thread. First, the references to purported sins by Christians at any time and any place are first of all irrelevant. Why bring up Christianity? Of what relevance are the actions of Christians at any time to today’s Islamic terror, jihad, and mad murderers driven bonkers by what they feel are the imperatives of Islam? No one has crowed “Christians are Number One” because someone named Hassan has committed mass murder.
Second, and worse, they are not intended to advance any argument or provide a useful perspective. No, the “Christians are no better” posts are intended to change the subject (which is rhetorically dishonest) and even more reprehensible, to shut down any comment on the apparent role of Islamic ideology by undermining the moral standing of the writer to participate in the discussion (which is vicious). In other words, the attackers–like fafaroo and SQ and cj–are bent on personal destruction, not reason, and on enforcing the political correctness that paralyzed the Army with regard to Maj. Hassan.
Why turning the incident into a religious issue?
How much a case of murder occur every day in America and how the issue occurs in the whole world.
What about building bombing in Oklahoma City? Why u didnt say that the Christian religion of violence?
Islam forbids violence, even with animals. This person is prosecuted if hes guilty for himself not as religion, like the crap you say
We are not engaged in a comparative religion seminar. What non-Muslims do or have done in the past has no bearing on what Muslims are doing NOW, and certainly do not constitute an excuse. The fact is that Hindus and Christians, for example, in the US are NOT organizing terrorist plots and cooking off individual mass murderers acting in the name of Shiva or Jesus. This naturally raises the question of the relationship of Muslim ideology and theology to murder and terror.
The prima facie case for some core connection has been made on this thread. The contrary response has been to call people insane and to try to turn the discussion into a cosmic guilt contest (which is SO judgmental and Western-centric). If you want to try again, tell us what it is about Islamic theology, ideology, practice, declarations, and recent behavior (world-wide) that makes you think that Islam cannot possibly be a key contributing factor in violence done by Muslims expressly in the name of Islam.
You are kind of making our point about Muslims, Majed.
One of the keys distinguishing points about Hassan, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (accused of shooting an Army recruiter), etc. is that they have declared they did it for Islam. The things you point to are background human-level disorder, of the sort acknowledged by all religions and political philosophers as being unavoidable in societies that do not completely implement their prescriptions.
One of the keys distinguishing points about Hassan, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (accused of shooting an Army recruiter), etc. is that they have declared they did it for Islam.
And Hinckley shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Now it’s true that not all Jodie Foster fans are delusional maniacs and that most of them are able to suppress the inhuman ideology at the core of their being, but it’s obvious that they all have the potential to be terrorists.
I say that this country has been far too slow in its response to the threat that Jodie Foster fans clearly pose to this country.
We have not declared war on them, but they, clearly, have been at war with us since 1981. Where, I ask, were the moderate Jodie Foster fans decrying what Hinckely did? Where?!?!?! No where, that’s where.
Of course many celebrities have stalkers. This is a background human-level disorder, of the sort acknowledged by all religions, political philosophers and TMZ as being unavoidable in societies that do not completely implement their prescriptions.
But there can be no logical refutation of the fact that if we still are not, as a nation, willing to acknowledge the existential threat of radical Jodie Foster fans out of some politically correct desire not to offend Hollywood lesbians or straight white men in their 40s who own Foxes on DVD, we are just as irrefutably doomed.
The prima facie case for some core connection has been made on this thread.
Really? Would you care to repeat it? I think we all missed that one.
dude just stop talkin, you have no idea wat you are talkin about. go read the quaran and then explain to me how they are violent people.
I disagree that Muslims are inherently violent. What I will say is that some cultures and regions of the world that are predominately Muslim are violent.
totally agree with you
this has nothing to do with Islam!!!
This guy is insane !! he tried suicid two times before !!
wow… didn’t think I’d find this many ignorant bigots commenting on this blog. I wonder how this would have played out if the accused murderer was black ?