’)The Commission of Investigation into Dublin’s Catholic Archdiocese has concluded that there is ‘no doubt’ that clerical child sexual abuse was covered up by the archdiocese and other Church authorities.
The commission’s report covers the period between January 1st 1975 and April 30th 2004. It said there cover-ups took place over much of this period.
In its report, published this afternoon, it has also found that ‘the structures and rules of the Catholic Church facilitated that cover-up.’
It also found that ‘the State authorities facilitated the cover-up by not fulfilling their responsibilities to ensure that the law was applied equally to all and allowing the Church institutions to be beyond the reach of the normal law enforcement processes.’
Again, I say, RICO.
“Pedophilia is okay, abortion and gay marriage aren’t okay”-Catholic Church
O, you ARE aware that US laws don’t apply in Ireland, right?
But yet you’re so off the mark.
You’re making that statement based on the assumption that the Dublin archdiocese is an isolated incident, yes?
Plenty of child rapists defended by the American Catholic Church to make a good RICO case.
My parents came to the UK from Dublin, and for that I am truly thankful. When I see the awful places I would have grown up in, I am thankful I didn’t. (My cousins live in a fairly rough part of Dublin to be fair). Add to that a slavish deference to priests and the RC church. I am also thankful that we were allowed to provide my late father with a humanist funeral service, even though a priest was cheaper.
Add to this paedophilia the Magdelene sisters and then a few more awful but non-sexual abuses, and it still doesn’t quite sum up just how bad Ireland was. Father Ted was the best thing that happened, because priests are actually like that comedy, and it is perhaps in the spirit of the Irish to satirise and laugh at the awfulness that is the church there.
Oh, and I forgot. The church actually had insurance policies in the event that a known (by them) paedophile priest was found out and exposed. What a sorry state, and then they have the nerve to talk that mumbo-jumbo too.
Well, at least they’re not Muslim, eh.
Oh, Oliver, don’t you understand what it means to point out the systemic effort by the Catholic church to conceal rapist priests and keep them working so that they never be punished for what they’ve done, spending untold money, time and energy in this way that could otherwise have been spent helping the needy if they were even marginally more concerned with that than enabling and emboldening rapists?
Well as I’m sure Frank will tell you, it means that you hate all Catholics everywhere, even friends and family, as well as despising Jesus, God, Mom, and Apple Pie, and Things, and Stuff, and Things again.
And this is a surprise to whom, I wonder?
The moment this became a sex scandal, it was over. It’s an abuse of power scandal, it always was. The church always comes back with this “But other people abuse kids too!” as if that’s what the real problem was, some sick men committing crimes. No, the real problem was you systematically promoting and then shielding the perpetrators of said crimes, and then demonizing anyone who spoke up as anti-Catholic. It was never a sex scandal at all.
It’s been seven years since I covered this stuff and it still enrages me.
A.
The commission investigated allegations made against a sample of 46 priests,/b>, out of a total of 102 relevant to the period, and against whom 320 complaints had been made.
A small number, even in Ireland, for the period concerned.
But if it makes you feel better, I would push for outlawing the Catholic Church. Perhaps you could export them to the East?
Why are you apologizing for child rape, Frank? Seriously. I don’t care if you’re the most Catholic Catholic in the world, what the eff drives someone to minimize and excuse systematic child rape?
Disgusting, Frank. Just gross.
Frank, it’s not so much the perp priests, but the systems in place to protect them, and the steps taken to conceal their actions. That includes a lot more priests and a lot higher up the ladder of the church’s structure.
In its report, published this afternoon, it has also found that ‘the structures and rules of the Catholic Church facilitated that cover-up.’
It also found that ‘the State authorities facilitated the cover-up by not fulfilling their responsibilities to ensure that the law was applied equally to all and allowing the Church institutions to be beyond the reach of the normal law enforcement processes.’
And why shouldn’t an organization that covers up the sexual abuse of children and protects abusers from the law be outlawed, Frank Di Salle?
“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.”
And of course, that is suppose to be one of the missions of the RCC, to bring Christ to the little ones……..
What would you suggest? I said it was not a whole lot of cases, You know why? Because it isn’t a lot of cases. Is it more cases than those that occur in schools or day care?
What should I have said? “Ooooh, that’s horrible! Horrible!”
Or better: “Horrific!” “Horrific!”
Now, where does that leave us?
Does being sufficiently digusted, bring us any closer to a solution?
You want to outlaw the Roman Catholic Church? Fine, go ahead.
I trust I have now satisfied you all that I don’t find “child rape” pleasant, no matter who does it.
Is there any other church that has had so many instances of child rape AND official church policy to hide the child rape from the authorities and shuttle priests around? NO.
Sure there is sadly all kind of child abuse around, but the only systematic and decades long cover up of it by one institution has been in the Catholic Church, and they haven’t paid a big enough penalty for it.
I said it was not a whole lot of cases, You know why? Because it isn’t a lot of cases. Is it more cases than those that occur in schools or day care?
I’d like to see you make that argument to the families of the children who were molested, Frank DiSalle, I’m sure that would help them to move on and put it behind them.
What should I have said? “Ooooh, that’s horrible! Horrible!”
Or better: “Horrific!” “Horrific!”
“It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Now, where does that leave us?
Does being sufficiently digusted, bring us any closer to a solution?
A good solution would be to keep Catholic priests from unsupervised contact with young children. That seems the logical conclusion, IMHO.
You want to outlaw the Roman Catholic Church? Fine, go ahead.
Nah, just make them live up to the laws of whatever country they happen to be in, as Cardinal Mahoney is about to find out:
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I have now satisfied you all that I don’t find “child rape” pleasant, no matter who does it.
You do find discussion of the truth about the Catholic Church unpleasant, even to the extend of trying to say, “It wasn’t a lot of children who were raped”, I doubt you’d bring up the point if it was another church or other organization besides the RCC involved in similar activities.
“You want to outlaw the Roman Catholic Church? Fine, go ahead.”
No Frank, just the rapist priests would suffice.
And maybe the Catholic church could stop pretending that it has any kind of moral authority.
No Frank, just the rapist priests would suffice
And anyone who helped hide their crimes.
I doubt you’d bring up the point if it was another church or other organization besides the RCC involved in similar activities.
That’s because you’re an anti-Catholic bigot who thinks that the Church approves of “child rape”, and that, therefore, I do too. Your insulting comment just makes me feel like the Church needs to be protected from people like you.
No Frank, just the rapist priests would suffice.
Shall we kill them?
And maybe the Catholic church could stop pretending that it has any kind of moral authority.
Yes, Wilbur, that is precisely the goal of all these accusations. I don’t see anyone talking about child abuse in any other quarter, but in leftist blogs, aimed at the Catholic Church, their sworn enemy.
If I were to see some small mention of other cases of child abuse – such as in public school, day care centers, or in other religious institions (e.g., the Islam sanctioning of child marriage), then I would believe you actually cared about the children.
Of course, any ideology that turns a blind eye to the murder of more than 1,000,000 babies a year, would have to struggle to express indignation over several hundred cases of “child rape”.
That’s because you’re an anti-Catholic bigot who thinks that the Church approves of “child rape”, and that, therefore, I do too
Those anti-Catholic bigots are EVERYWHERE, aren’t they, Frank? They’re in the trees! Look out!
If the Catholic Church doesn’t approve of child rape, they sure have a funny way of showing it. You’d think they wouldn’t protect the priests who buggered young children, if they were so concerned about the atrocity that those priests committed.
As for you… you seem to be more interested in protecting the Catholic Church’s reputation (in spite of this scandal) than anything else. Therefore, while not explicitly supporting the rape of children, you demonstrate that it’s just not that big a deal to you. Relative to the status of the Church, at least.
Your insulting comment just makes me feel like the Church needs to be protected from people like you.
Spare us your idiotic, sad, woe-is-me schtick. It’s boring and lame.
Shall we kill them?
What? If you’re addressing the liberals, most of us are against the death penalty. But these priests should be thrown in jail forever like the scum they are.
I don’t see anyone talking about child abuse in any other quarter, but in leftist blogs, aimed at the Catholic Church, their sworn enemy.
Christ, man. Are you fucking kidding? You have this insane persecution complex. Here’s the deal: Not only have many, many priests apparently raped young children, but there seems to be an active role by the Church in covering it up. Your false equivalence won’t work here, stupid. Child rape is wrong in all contexts; a systematic cover-up makes the whole thing much worse.
The Catholic Church has no moral authority. None. And it isn’t just this scandal that demonstrates that fact.
Of course, any ideology that turns a blind eye to the murder of more than 1,000,000 babies a year, would have to struggle to express indignation over several hundred cases of “child rape”.
False equivalence again, Frank. For fuck’s sake. 1) Abortion is legal, 2) Fetuses are not babies, 3) Why did you put “child rape” in quotes, Frank?, 4) We liberals do not like abortion, but we recognize the mother’s rights of control over her own body, 5) These are actual children being molested – no one can reasonably argue that these children are somehow less than fully human.
You’re a sick fuck, Frank.
Your insulting comment just makes me feel like the Church needs to be protected from people like you.
Frank, the RCC has over 1 billion followers. I don’t think they need to be “protected”.
Shall we kill them?
Who (besides you, of course) was proposing that?
Of course, any ideology that turns a blind eye to the murder of more than 1,000,000 babies a year, would have to struggle to express indignation over several hundred cases of “child rape”.
Odd, they weren’t “murders” two months ago.
“child rape”
In quotation marks, no less. WOW.
Beat me to it. Nice going.
Your insulting comment just makes me feel like the Church needs to be protected from people like you.
No, Frank, the fact that the sun rises in the east makes you feel like the Church needs to be protected from people who really don’t like how they really seem not to have the slightest interest in letting rapist priests be subject to the law of man. And by gum, you and you’re righteous awesomeness just happen to be powerful enough to protect a major world religion from our evil nasty comments about their tacit endorsement of child molestation, aren’t you you big, strong, handsome defender of virtue, you.
Shall we kill them?
Well, according to this report from the AP, one priest admitted to raping more than 100 children. Tell me why he should draw breath one day longer.
Please, Frank, o glorious defender of not just all catholics, but life on earth itself, why shouldnt this guy be killed?
If I were to see some small mention of other cases of child abuse – such as in public school, day care centers, or in other religious institions (e.g., the Islam sanctioning of child marriage), then I would believe you actually cared about the children.
So… what then, we’re pro-rape? And accuse the Catholics of being pro-rape too so we can hate them?
Oh, and speaking as someone who was sexually abused by my day-care providers, Why dont you go climb the tallest thing in your house and jump onto something sharp?
Of course, any ideology that turns a blind eye to the murder of more than 1,000,000 babies a year, would have to struggle to express indignation over several hundred cases of “child rape”.
Much like someone who supports the death penalty, opposes people receiving health care, and who has never met a war he didn’t want to bend him over the couch and fuck him mercilessly for hours on end before ejaculating gallons of blood of the filthy brown foreign heathens directly into his mouth, would have to struggle to be slightly upset over the non-uterine-implantation of a fertilized egg.
Oh, and thanks for confirming once again that some Catholics (not all, thank God), care more about fetuses than about real live children.
That was meant for Frank, not Rex. Reply fu.
but in leftist blogs, aimed at the Catholic Church, their sworn enemy
Yes, we leftist blogs hate the Catholic Church, that’s why we’re big supporters of Catholic pols like John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, and Bob Casey. Gimme a break. If Muslims or Hindis or Anglicans were systematically hiding child rapists for multiple decades I’d be calling for their asses to go to jail too.
Yes, Wilbur, that is precisely the goal of all these accusations. I don’t see anyone talking about child abuse in any other quarter, but in leftist blogs, aimed at the Catholic Church, their sworn enemy.
Name me another organization that has such long history of deliberately covering up it’s member’s pedophilia, and I’ll condemn it. The Republican party tries hard, but even it has a ways to go to be in the same league.
“child rape”
In quotation marks, no less. WOW.
oops, mambo already noted the quotations marks. Incredible nonetheless.
Incredible enough to note it twice, no apologies needed.
Absolutely obscene.
That’s because you’re an anti-Catholic bigot who thinks that the Church approves of “child rape”, and that, therefore, I do too.
Whatever the merits of the latter opinion, the former is supported by evidence. Again:
‘the structures and rules of the Catholic Church facilitated that cover-up.’
Wow, I just finish watching CNN report a priest’s secret son he had and the fact the Catholic covered it up for 20 years also paying child support on behave of the priest. For the 20 years that it was known that this priest had an affair/relationship with the then married woman he was allowed to remain as a priest. He is now on suspension not due to the fact of having a child, but because he was caught again having a relationship with a female this time a underage female. It’s an incediable story on how the Catholic Church for 20 years allow this priest to remain in the church while still having a sexual relationship with this woman and having a child with her.
It also shows that the Church is allowing this to happen while trying to be a moral beacon (which they’re not)in face only.
Sadly the priest’s son was diagnosed with cancer sometime ago, but now has pasted away TODAY.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/12/morning-buzz-a-priest%E2%80%99s-secret-son/
Oops bad spelling…”incredible”
I notice that the link I gave above is a article on other things too, so here is snipped from it about the priest’s secret son.
“Twenty-two-year-old Nathan Halbach is dying of brain cancer and may only have weeks to live. The priest who celebrated Nathan’s baptism is still around, but he won’t be presiding over Halbach’s funeral. That priest is Nathan’s dad.
It turns out Father Henry Willenborg really is a father, but a secret one. When his son, Nathan, was born he wasn’t ready to leave the priesthood so a confidential agreement was drawn up between him, the mother and the Franciscan Order of the Catholic Church. The Church would financially support Nathan and his mother and everyone would keep quiet.
But nobody anticipated that Nathan would become ill and would need so much medical support. His mother talks to Gary Tuchman about the arrangement made more than 20 years ago. So did the Church cover up the fact that a priest fathered a son? Don’t miss this special report tonight.”
And here is the video reporting on it…
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/12/video-a-priests-secret-son/
I think the Church must be forced to do a little soul searching. It’s time to shine the big bright lights of truth and justice into those dark cloisters of predatory power. This is too much now. Indefensible. Simple.
This is a comment for Frank:
I left the Catholic Church after the discovery was made that they are essentially an organized crime syndicate in religious clothing. If you can point to another global organization that not only knew about multiple child rapists in their midst but colluded at the highest levels to keep it a secret, then I’d attack them too.
As for the RCC, I don’t think they should be outlawed. I think they should have all (and I do mean all) of their assets seized and liquidated, they should have their tax exempt status revoked and Ratzinger should face charges of conspiracy and collusion. The money made from the liquidation should be used to feed the hungry, clothe the cold and provide legitimate, science-based sex education to the third world.
And just for fun, the US RCC should be forced to reorganize into an S- or C-corp, so they can never take another donation again, and must instead provide a legitimate service or product in the market.
But I guess you’d call that “outlawing” since child rape isn’t a legitimate service.
What could I possibly say in response to all that. However, Rex Mundane deserves special attention: Fuck you, you asshole!
Oliver those “Catholics” you named are all CINO. Why didn’t you include Rep Kennedy? Hmmmm.
No, Frank. It is YOU who is the anti-catholic bigot (by posting your filthy messages on this board and giving Catholics a bad name).
If you do not turn from your sins, it is YOU who will burn in hell.
Lemme fix that for you, Frank.
However, ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT Rex Mundane deserves special ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT attention: Fuck you, you ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT asshole!
Because let’s not forget, I do despise my friends and family who are Catholic, right Frank?
Oh, but you’re totally right to say that politicians who disagree with the church on the civil rights of a blastocyst aren’t really Catholics. Not like those good, decent rapists, they’re real, true Catholics, right?
So when you make statements about those politicians disparaging their religion and their adherence to it, that’s not being an anti-catholic bigot, whereas pointing out the systemic coverup of repeated crimes, collusion in their committal, and essentially aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise as an organization IS BEING AN ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT IN THE EXTREME.
Choke on your mothers cock, Frank.
What could I possibly say in response to all that.
Nothing coherent and substantive, that’s for sure. Typical Frank.
Gotta admit, I am loving watching Frank lob strawmen all over the place in a feeble attempt to distract from the fact that HE IS DEFENDING CHILD MOLESTERS.
I mean, just go back and read his comments. Distractions, weaving and dodging, trying to play the victim, it’s all there.
Everything, that is, except for calls to actually address the problem that was never handled in the first place.
The church is still protecting these monsters. And the infrastructure is still there to continue this cycle. And he whines about how teh meen libruls in his head want to summarily execute all god fearin’ Christians. Sorry Frank, masturbatory genocidal fantasies are a right wing thing. We on the left tend to go more for ‘live and let live’. I mean, you know, so long as you aren’t molesting children. Which the Christian right seems not to have any problem with.
I left the Catholic church years ago, and haven’t regretted it since.
The spectacle of an erstwhile co-religionist defending those who
sheltered and protected child molesters is . . . I have no words.
It is true that child molestation takes place in other
institutional settings, but the long-standing pattern of protection
and subterfuge is the real difference. When a cardinal can hear one
of his priests say, ‘Your Eminence, I have a problem. . .” and
his reaction is ‘we must keep anyone from finding out about this’,
there is a serious problem going on. If there was an isolated
abbey somewhere in northern Alberta where all the pedophile priests
were sent to ‘ora pro mundi’ or something, that would be bad
enough – but to shuffle them from parish to parish, and not even
restrict them to adult ministry! This is not being ‘anti-Catholic’ -
it’s being pro-decency.
What could I possibly say in response to all that?
“I’m sorry I’m a hypocrite”, for starters.
Oliver those “Catholics” you named are all CINO.
Who the hell are you to judge other people’s faith? That is the pinnacle of unwarranted arrogance.
Why didn’t you include Rep Kennedy? Hmmmm.
He did…
John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, and Bob Casey
Lest Frank come on here with a “Aha! I win because you made a small mistake that has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever!”, I believe Frank was referring to Rep. Patrick Kennedy.
Other than that, spot on.
To be fair, Ted Kennedy WAS a senator, not a representative. I’ll concede to that much.
Funny how ACORN gets blasted from the right when a few of their members are caught doing something immoral, somehow I don’t expect the same outrage here.
Damien, the “look over their” routine is getting tiresome, and of course the ’sins’ of ACORN outweigh the crimes of child molestation and the subsequent cover-up of the same by officials of the RCC.
Better trolls, plz.
Mundane you are a vile piece of shit. I am surprised you stand for anything. (And, please note that I didn’t call you an anti- Catholic anything; I called you an asshole, you asshole.) Furthermore, since my mother has been dead nearly 20 years, why don’t you dig her up, and suck whatever you can find, you dickless, ballless scumbag)
As horrible as the things the priests who are accused of doing such things might be (and that is, assuming they are all guilty as charged), I still don’t think that warrants the destruction of the Church. And I still believe that were it another institution that were guilty of such crimes, you would not be seeking their destruction with such zeal.
If you choose to believe that this whole campaign is not driven by anti-Catholic bigotry, then please point to a similar investigation of nationwide public schools, or nationwide day care centers.
Someone above pointed to his own molestation in a day care center, and said something bad to me. But it is you that care not one whit about abused children on a political level, unless they have been abused by Catholic priests.
Lie all you want, but you can produce absolutely no evidence that YOUR concern for the institutional abuse of children extends beyond the Catholic Church.
I no longer have either the need or the desire to convince you that I think the Priests are wrong , or that the other Clergy who covered up for them are wrong. I feel it falls upon you to demonstrate a) That only the Catholic Church is guilty of such crimes; and b) that guilt warrants their total destruction.
But, of course, insulting me is so much more fun.
As horrible as the things the priests who are accused of doing such things might be (and that is, assuming they are all guilty as charged), I still don’t think that warrants the destruction of the Church. And I still believe that were it another institution that were guilty of such crimes, you would not be seeking their destruction with such zeal.
Your beliefs are shown time and time again to be fabrications of a delusional mind.
If you choose to believe that this whole campaign is not driven by anti-Catholic bigotry, then please point to a similar investigation of nationwide public schools, or nationwide day care centers.
Oh, I’m sorry. I missed the part where there’s a massive coverup by all the public schools and day-care centers to hide sexual abuse of children. You might also want to weigh the massive amount of hypocrisy in the Catholic Church. The are good, decent, pious, moral people. Except for the child rape and all – but that’s not that important, right Frank?
Someone above pointed to his own molestation in a day care center, and said something bad to me. But it is you that care not one whit about abused children on a political level, unless they have been abused by Catholic priests.
Wow. Fail. Epic fail.
Lie all you want, but you can produce absolutely no evidence that YOUR concern for the institutional abuse of children extends beyond the Catholic Church.
First of all, like I said above: Fail. Second of all, why does it have to be that anyone condemning the Catholic Church of child rape and conspiracy automatically needs to also mention that they are also against child rape by other entities?
I no longer have either the need or the desire to convince you that I think the Priests are wrong , or that the other Clergy who covered up for them are wrong. I feel it falls upon you to demonstrate a) That only the Catholic Church is guilty of such crimes
Why? Who gives a shit whether the Catholic Church is the only one doing this, or if there are others as well? It’s wrong no matter the pervasiveness. Also, I will again point out: Massive coverup by the higher-ups in the Church, and the ridiculous hypocrisy (though this is really secondary to, you know, the rape of children).
and b) that guilt warrants their total destruction.
Who has said this other than you? Me personally, I would love to see the destruction of the Catholic church, for many more reasons other than simply the rape of innocent children. But I do not propose that this is a likely scenario. Instead, I would like to see the Catholic church stripped of any moral authority whatsoever, their tax exempt status removed, and every one of the sick fucks that raped children or were a part of the coverup THROWN IN JAIL FOREVER. And I want them to get everything that’s coming to them from the other inmates. Typically, even convicted criminals hold a special place in their heart for the abusers of children.
They deserve it.
But, of course, insulting me is so much more fun.
Note to Zython: Catholics in a position of power who are not anti-abortion (pro-life) are Catholics in name only … Being pro-life and being Catholic is not debatable.
Catholics in a position of power who are not anti-abortion (pro-life) are Catholics in name only … Being pro-life and being Catholic is not debatable.
But being Catholic and pro-child rape is fine and dandy, though, amirite, Frank?
Also, who died and made you the arbiter of what is and is not debatable with regard to peoples’ faith?
Note to Zython: Catholics in a position of power who are not anti-abortion (pro-life) are Catholics in name only … Being pro-life and being Catholic is not debatable.
But being anti-death penalty and being Catholic is debatable? Right, Frank?
Also, who died and made you the arbiter of what is and is not debatable with regard to peoples’ faith?
The man whose constant whining will one day save the world.
If you choose to believe that this whole campaign is not driven by anti-Catholic bigotry, then please point to a similar investigation of nationwide public schools, or nationwide day care centers.
Frank, please point to a similar cover up of the same magnitude by a public school, day care center, or other denomination that chose to hide it’s pedofile members and protect them rather than protecting the children they harmed. You have my word that I will condemn it in the strongest words possible.
LOL,
Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t ACORN been videotaped trying to help establish whorehouses trafficing in underage girls?
Interesting that Mambo is dedicated to the destruction of the Catholic church and wants to go medieval on religious pedaphiles. Mambo do you feel as strongly about imprisoning the convicted pedaphile Roman Polanski FOREVER along with those involved in minimizing his punishment for buttfucking a 13 year old girl? Do you want him to also be subject to punishment dealt out by convicted criminals operating without any legal constraint? Given Mambo’s written statements advocating such things one shold give little weight to his ideas pertaining to the rule of law. He has placed himself in opposition to the foundations of our society.
Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t ACORN been videotaped trying to help establish whorehouses trafficing in underage girls?
OK. You’re wrong and now you’re corrected.
Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t ACORN been videotaped trying to help establish whorehouses trafficing in underage girls?
Allow me to correct you.
You are wrong.
Even if loosely-defined tax advice constituted “helping establish whorehouses,” (and it doesn’t) and the two ACORN employees on tape spoke for the company (and they don’t) and they didn’t then contact the authorities about this (and they did) and weren’t then fired (and they were) then no, you’re still wrong. Not that it should matter, or keep you from repeating what you know to be false, but just so you know, you’re wrong. Utterly.
Also, far as I’m concerned, yes, Harshest possible penalty for Polanski. I’m sort of hearing you saying “those involved in minimizing his punishment” to mean the people who’ve worked with him begging for clemency, or even if not the term could mean those who prevented his extridition previously, whose hands may have been tied for legal reasons, but otherwise, yes. Polanski himself and anyone knowingly involved in the crime, harshest allowable penalty.
It seriously goddam amazes me how so simple a point as “Underage Rape Is Wrong” gets twisted into these semi-political “Oh you say that now but I bet you wouldnt if…” things. Here’s a handy guide to minimize confusion:
Rape by a Catholic Priest: Bad
Rape by a Protestant Priest: Bad
Rape by Roman Polanski: Bad
Rape by a teacher or day-care provider: Bad
Rape by some random person: Bad
Rape on a Tuesday: Bad
Rape on days that are not Tuesday: Bad
Rape in all cases: Hmmmmmmm… yeah I’m gonna say Bad on this one.
Jesus Christ, AO, are you for real?
What Rex said.
Christ.
Interesting that Mambo is dedicated to the destruction of the Catholic church and wants to go medieval on religious pedaphiles.
I just think that this world would be better without pious, ignorant idiots running around. I’m similarly committed to the end of all religion, not just Catholicism.
Mambo do you feel as strongly about imprisoning the convicted pedaphile Roman Polanski FOREVER along with those involved in minimizing his punishment for buttfucking a 13 year old girl?
Who said anything about Roman Polanski?
To answer your question, perhaps I don’t feel “as strongly” about Polanski as I do the scandal with the Catholic Church. But that’s simply a difference of degree, and not of kind- many children have apparently been victimized by the Church, whereas all I know of Polanski is that it was one. But fuck yes I want Polanski thrown in prison.
Do you want him to also be subject to punishment dealt out by convicted criminals operating without any legal constraint?
Yes.
Given Mambo’s written statements advocating such things one shold give little weight to his ideas pertaining to the rule of law. He has placed himself in opposition to the foundations of our society.
AO, you’re just a good for nothing troll. You come on here, looking to reactions out of people by saying ridiculous things that you think make you sound smart. In actuality, you just wind up looking like an idiot. But sure, try and put forth the argument that child rapists shouldn’t be thrown into prison forever; try to make the argument that child rapists don’t deserve to get the piss kicked out of them in prison; try, ham-handedly, to catch me in a hypocritical moment.
You will fail, because that is what you do best on these boards. It’s almost like you enjoy it.
Thanks Quaker,
I would tend to believe my eyes were it not for your help.
As Bill Clinton might say That all depends on what help is, LOL.
Let’s roll the tape, courtesy of the network you love to hate. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,548827,00.html
I’d call that help. So once again, which part of helping establish whorehouses for underage girls wan’t true?
I’d call that help.
On the tape, right after the “Pimp” says they’re bringing underage girls into the country to work as whores? And the woman who clearly speaks on behalf of all ACORN employees that have ever existed says “No, That’s illegal.” This is help?
So once again, which part of helping establish whorehouses for underage girls wan’t true?
The entirety of it. And you know this. I mean you understand the whole thing was a set up, so these ACORN employees were “helping establish whorehouses” in exactly the same extant that James and “Kenya” are a Pimp and a Prostitute, which is to say not a goddam bit. So your entire point is based on what you know to be a lie.
But even if it weren’t, precisely what you’d have on that video tape would be two people giving tax advice to a pair of criminals. Not advice on how to commit their crimes, so to whatever extent they might be involved in a criminal enterprise at all is staggeringly minimal, since the non-specific nature of the info exchanged is what would have been provided in a pamphlet.
Ah, but they knew about it and didn’t notify the authorities. Well, presuming they thought they were serious (and you’ve seen photos of Pimpy McPimperson and ‘Kenya,’ how serious do you think people took them?) they ought have shared whatever information they had with authorities, but since they had none, no full names, no addresses, no nothing except that these two said they were going to set up a whorehouse, that might be seen as wasting the time of the police. They sought no further information, which is not the most virtuous thing to do, perhaps, but it is not criminal.
And even if it were, it would be these two people and not ACORN. Why implicate the company? Hell I bet they probably live in the same neighborhood as each other, why not accuse the homeowners association? Why not their church? Why not their stylist? Why accuse the company that then fired them for this incident of endorsing what they did?
Why, in short, are you asserting something that sits in direct contravention of every available fact?
Given Mambo’s written statements advocating such things one shold give little weight to his ideas pertaining to the rule of law. He has placed himself in opposition to the foundations of our society.
Yeah, it’s a real shame they aren’t Muslim, or that would be OK by your standards.
Tell me, AO, where’s the unedited tape, and why hasn’t it been turned into the authorities?
Zython, if you’ve been following this story, you oughta know something:
Every time the stingers have made an unverified statement, they’ve later proven them to be 100% accurate.
Every time ACORN has made an unverified statement, they’ve been proven to be 100% wrong.
Remember how ACORN said they were turned away at every other office besides Baltimore? Bullshit.
Remember how ACORN said they got nowhere in California? Bullshit.
Remember how ACORN said that they got nowhere in New York? Bullshit.
Just play the odds here, Zython. The stingers have released edited tapes before. ACORN then howls and says that the tapes don’t show what REALLY happened. Then, a little while later, the stingers release the unedited tape, and ACORN is proven liars once again.
That’s OK, though, Zython. After all, ACORN can’t be lying every time about everything, right? Sooner or later, they’ll have to be telling the truth.
Breitbart is a genius. He’s killing ACORN by the death of a thousand cuts, putting it out in drips and drabs, never letting the story completely fade away — and now he’s putting Jerry Brown and Eric Holder on the spot to do their jobs.
ACORN stole my car and slapped my grandma!
Joe, I hate (read: LOVE) to break it to you, but conservatives are natural-born liars.
They lied about Watergate
They lied about Iran-Contra
They lied about Whitewater
They lied about Iraq
They lied about Obama
They lied about death panels
They lie about Social Security
They lie about gays
They lie about Muslims
They lie period
If anyone is “playing the odds”, it’s me. Now go back to killing homosexuals, burning books, or whatever it is conservatives do besides lying and destroying the country.
“Never letting the story completely fade away?”
What the hell do you do for news that this crap is at the top of it? The only story I ever heard about Acorn doing anything “untoward” was the Baltimore branch “Prostitution Sting” thing. Do these idiots go to every single branch there is harrassing them? What the fuck point are they proving? Are they successfully demonstrating that ACORN is actually a child prostitution ring? Do you actually fucking believe that yourself?
“Breitbart is a genius.”
Yes he is.
“The only story I ever heard about Acorn doing anything “untoward” was the Baltimore branch “Prostitution Sting” thing.’
There’s that MSM echo chamber thing again.
The difference between the ACORN case and the Catholic Church case is that the Church had REAL victims and were harmed by the Catholic Church.
People on the right will consistently through up the ACORN case as if millions of people or even one person was hurt by that fake, made up, make believe scenario of a pimp and prostitute trying to get over on the government, while REAL victims of the Catholic Church are pushed aside and hidden just for the Catholic Church can save face.
How come real child abuse(molestation in the Catholic Church) is being downed played or over shadowed by fake child abuse(fake pimp and prostitute in ACORN offices) by so many on the right?
I thought you guys had values.
When I first saw this thread I said to myself, “you think one of our wingnut friends will try to compare the Acorn brouhaha to the coverup of priestly pedophilia? Naaaah, nobody’s that obtuse, morally or otherwise.”
Just goes to show, it’s impossible to overestimate just how low a.o. et al. will stoop. I should have learned my lesson by now.
It does seem like there are a great many attempts to change the subject, pretty much always coming from the same handful of commenters.
You’d think, since Oliver never seems to write about the topics they want to comment on, they’d just look elsewhere for a blogger who does.