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Verbatim from the end of your third paragraph:
Suck is the case with the Tea Party group and their leaders like Palin.
Sloppy copy-editor or Freudian slip?
Freud, line 1.
When you get 7 figures for a book deal your biggest worry is the design of a coin
Mike Elk in that article made some very valid points but he’s obviously smoking too much medical marijuana if he thinks liberals are going to try to understand and sway tea party protesters to their side. The far left needs the tea party people to identify as the boogey men that are being led by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck since they won’t be able to blame all the world’s ailments on George Bush on the net go-round. How can this guy pretend that even in their wildest imaginations liberals would ever try to get through to their favorite punching bags to try to convince even 10% of them to their causes? Would never happen.
He does describe the current state of liberal elitism accurately, though.
And it’s so charming to see NPR using the teabag term now, too. Nice use of our public funds.
Talk abouot smoking the strong stuff!
Do you have a Dennis Database or something? It’s remarkable.
Or not.
Stupid leaves a mark. Unacknowledged stupid leaves an even bigger one.
Bizarrely obsessed, Duros. He lives for it. I’m sure he’s got a chalkboard similar to Glenn Beck in his basement full of mementos of me. I’m always floored on the rare occasion he posts here on the blog topic or he addresses someone besides me. I think I complete him.
Ah, so you admit Glenn Beck is a nut bag?
To a wingnut, the word ‘elite’ is a bad word. Good. This coming from a party that thought Palin was their future, and that Joe Da Plunger was their hero.
Please keep up with the phony populism. It worked so well for you last time.
Burn, you guys need the tea partiers. You need them to mock and reassure yourselves that you are smarter than they are. Oliver and you guys are calling every last one of them, every one who has ever attended one, in effect ’stupid’. That is elitism, pure and simple.
Oliver and you guys are calling every last one of them, every one who has ever attended one, in effect ’stupid’.
No, just the stupid ones.
But one can’t help but notice that an awful lot of the Teabaggers are deeply, deeply stupid. We’re talking Sarah Palin Stupid. In that respect. Also.
They deserved to be relentlessly mocked and exposed for who they are. They aren’t reasonable people to me. They still think Obama isn’t a citizen, they think Rev Wright is the puppetmaster that pulls his strings, they act like Obama took over the country or something and that we didn’t have an election last year where they lost badly, they hold pictures of him with Hitler mustaches which is so fucking ridiculous on the surface yet the irony is lost on them.
Yea, I’d call them stupid any day of the week. Stupid, and just assholes really.
You delude yourselves to think the majority of them are like that that the majority of them are stupid. That’s just pure elitism and arrogance, Burn.
You guys have been making the case that these guys mean nothing, that Republicans as a party are dead and that conservatism is dead. Gallup and Nate Silver and this Mike Elk are all telling you what folly that is and that the momentum is clearly on the side of the right. But you guys almost all to a man here would either choose to ignore the fact that the tea party crowd has been a factor, or you recognize it but you prefer to drink the elixir of your mocking game of these people you can’t do without and just hope for the best next year.
Either way, you’re in denial.
You delude yourselves to think the majority of them are like that that the majority of them are stupid. That’s just pure elitism and arrogance, Burn.
Perhaps you could link to some of the smarter Teabaggers? Because I’m seeing a lot of shit-all stupid Dittohead GlennBeckster Palin Rally grade dumbfucks. Instead of saying “are not!” you could set us straight with some concrete examples. Thanks in advance!
Dennis: [Y]ou prefer to drink the elixir of your mocking game of these people you can’t do without[.]
Let us pause for a very brief moment while I give the tiniest of golf claps for the paroxysmic convolution that is this sentence.
Yeah, Felix, not my best sentence of the night for sure. I was typing pretty fast and furious at the time and my wife was yelling up at me because we were running late for a dinner date so I kinda went into stream of consciousness mode there. You know what I was saying, though, right?
If you read the article OW was referencing, my point is he’s crazy if he thinks liberals in general are going to try to get through to any tea party protesters when they’d rather have fun mocking them- they’d never have the emotional maturity to even try something like talking to someone sincerely that they despised for their views.
Nate Silver…
Time for Dems to Panic?
In short he says……yes, it is.
For the same reasons Mike Elk stated.
Mock the tea partiers at your own peril. And a little FYI to Mr. Elk. Calling them ‘teabaggers’ isn’t going to endear anyone to the Democratic side. Not even 10%.
Mock the tea partiers at your own peril. And a little FYI to Mr. Elk. Calling them ‘teabaggers’ isn’t going to endear anyone to the Democratic side. Not even 10%.
The Democrats should waste no time at all trying to get into the fold stupid people who watch Glen Beck who think our president isn’t a citizen. They are over the rainbow. You cannot reason with such idiots.
They are all yours, buddy. You can have them. No wonder GOP party identification is at an all time low. Sane, reasonable people don’t want to be associated with nutjobs who equate health care reform with concentration camps horrors.
Do let me know when they win some elections for ya. NY-23 was your canary in the coalmine and that backfired big time.
Nothing will please the Democrats more than watching the purity trolls of the GOP try and run their own loser candidates against candidates who can actually win. I don’t know how much more worse you need to get spanked at the ballot box before you realize this.
Burn, read Nate Silver’s post. Things aren’t quite developing the way you’ve been saying they would since last spring, are they? We could’ve won NY-23. It would’ve been 3-3 if everyone wanted to do the Rahm Emmanuel 2006 strategy that is biting you guys in the petusky right now.
We could’ve won NY-23
But you did not. Enjoy reality, son.
One and done for Mr. ‘4 broken promises in his first hour of office’ Mike Owens, Burn.
One as in ‘one year’.
Did Nate Silver help you out with this lingering problem?
Mock the tea partiers at your own peril.
In what respect, Dennis?
And it’s so charming to see NPR using the teabag term now,
Following the lead of the fine gentlemen of Red State, Dennis? Of late, they’ve decided that in addition to “teabagging” and “teabagger,” the word “teabag” is now somehow an obscenity and an anti-gay slur.
Let’s not forget that at the initial rally in Washington, protesters brought, that’s right, teabags as a symbol of the new tea party.
What, Quibbie, are you and fafaroo claiming that when people like Obama and Clinton and this video on NPR use the teabagger and teabag names that they aren’t in on the inside joke and wouldn’t want anyone to perceive it as such? Give me a break. And no, I’m not following the lead of anyone from RedState.
You actually think neither Obama or Clinton have ever seen Olbermann or Maddow snicker at the term on their shows in order to know the double meaning of word and its sexual connotation? Please.
Dennis, it’s the name they gave to themselves. Besides, how’s this different from weeks of Barack HUSSEIN Obama during the campaign or having to listen to Newt Gingrich constantly call Patricia Schroeder ‘Patsy?’ Or Republicans constantly refering to the Democrat party?
I’m aware of that, I’m a Hick. But to pretend that people don’t know what is meant when any Democrat or liberal says that word is naive at this point when Olby and Maddow Anderson Cooper and their guests and the whole liberal blogosphere have had such a grand time with it. You can say ‘hey, that’s what they called themselves’, but it doesn’t matter. It’s know what you’re implying when you say the term. And liberals are making a sexual reference, plain and simple. To pretend that Obama and Clinton never watch MSNBC or CNN and don’t read any liberal blogs is not a credible argument.
I don’t have cable, so rarely see MSNBC. Are they acting like they don’t know it has a sexual meaning? I imagine they know exactly what it means. Again, just like everybody knows what it means when conservatives call the President by his full name. Tacky? Yes, but apparently effective. Ignore it and/or change the name of the movement, and the shock value will die out soon enough.
That’s a fairly good comparison, since Obama did use his full name to his advantage when it suited him well before it was used in a snide manner against him. The left went far more ballistic about people on the right using it as a slur than tea partiers or conservatives are doing now about the sexual connotation of the teabagger name used by prominent Dems like Obama and Clinton. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems a bit unbecoming of the office of the President to be making references to somewhat bizarre sexual practices to smear a whole group of people who oppose their policies.
Maybe it’s just me,
It’s just you.
and
And, you know, mocking peoples’ physical appearance in lieu of addressing the substance of their comments is unbecoming. You dig? Teabagger?
And no, I’m not following the lead of anyone from RedState.
Cuz it’s so much better to be on a one-man hissy fit over this.
You’re too funny, Dennis.
Attack the argument for once, Obsessed nitpicker fafaroo. Good God, you’ve gotten so boring since you’ve gone this insane nitpicking route on sentence structure and word choice. 3 am ramblings about the word ‘novice’ are the kinds of things that get your juices flowing these days.
Dennis, what is the argument? “STOP PICKING ON US CUZ IT MAKES US CRY!!!!!”?
If there’s something more than that, please explain it.
Because I’m pretty sure you can’t look any more foolish.
fafaroo,
You haven’t made one post on the topic of the blog yet. You haven’t made one post on the substance of anything I’ve said, either. You’re obsessed with how I word things, not what I say. It’s weird.
You’re kind of devolving into these kids games of yours. The last time it was about something I put in parentheses. I mean, whatever and feel free it it turns you on, but dude, have more pride in yourself than that.
You haven’t made one post on the topic of the blog yet.
Noted without comment.
You’re kind of devolving into these kids games of yours.
Dennis, you’re whining about being called names you don’t like.
Now you want to take your ball and go home because I’m laughing at you?
I don’t give a shit if you call me a teabagger or anyone a teabagger, fafaroo. I just have a problem with Obama and Clinton calling people that when they know full well the double entendre meaning of it. That, and though I think Mike Elk made some very valid points, he ruins his whole argument by calling the people he says the Dems need and/or can woo a portion of them to their side by that slur.
It’s not a good analogy, because there’s no bizarre sexual practice involved, but it’d be like me writing a long thesis-like blog post on a conservative blog and saying that conservatives could encourage people from the Democrat party to come over to the good side. Democrats reading that would say ‘wha? Why are you calling us members of the Democrat party?’ Or if I’d say “Hey, we can get a portion of these elitist pricks who think they’re somehow morally and intellectually superior to us to our side if we just suck up to them 10-20 times. C’mon guys, whaddya say?”
Yeah, I’m still laughing at you, Dennis.
I just have a problem with Obama and Clinton calling people that when they know full well the double entendre meaning of it.
O noes! What did those Big Meanies say? Please be specific. How do you know that they know the double entendre? Or that that’s their intention? Is it the same way you just know that Frank Capra cast Lionel Barrymore in a wheelchair to make him more evil or something?
And just so we’re clear: Saying “teabagger” makes the Baby Jesus Dennis cry, even though the Teabaggers dubbed themselves that. But saying:
makes Dennis adore Ol’ Rushie even more. (And boy does Dennis adore Rushie. Enough to, well, you know…)
I see. So “teabag” is now officially a dirty word, even when referring to actual t**b***. Got it.
In the same vein that saying Barack Obama’s middle name was saying a dirty word as the Left charged, yes.
In short he says……yes, it is.
So says Dennis. But what does Nate Silver actually say?
Not quite so emphatic.
You could not be a bigger tool, Dennis.
You’re so predictable, fafaroo. I worded that specifically for you and I knew you’d take the bait. And your only gripe? “Not quite so emphatic.” Not incorrect, not false, not a misrepresentation….just “not quite so emphatic”.
What a douche you are.
Dude, totally:
I worded that specifically for you and I knew you’d take the bait.
So that means your actual point was meaningless except as a clever ruse!
Nice work, Dennis.
I didn’t say that, fafaroo. Your penchant for putting words in other people’s mouths is immature and dishonest, but I’ll go along just for kicks.
No, the way I worded it, if it was a clever ruse as you say, does not in any way render the post as meaningless. Nate Silver is a liberal left Wonder Boy and he asks if it’s time for Dems to hit the panic button. He answers it in the affirmative. And the reasons he gives for why Dems should take heed support what Mike Elk said, which Oliver has posted twice now that he couldn’t disagree more with.
I think that has meaning. Obviously several other people do, too, judging by the number of comments it generated. They expressed their opinions, though. You? You just chose to nitpick on word my word choice and not the argument.
So boring, fafaroo. Are late Friday afternoons difficult for you or something?
No, the way I worded it, if it was a clever ruse as you say, does not in any way render the post as meaningless.
And yet you clearly admitted that you misrepresented Silver’s tone in order to trap me in your clever trap-like trap:
So did you or did you not misrepresent Silver’s tone as bait for me?
You just stated categorically that I did something and then you asked me if I did what you just previously stated that I did.
One would think you’re not all that certain of your allegation, otherwise, why ask me?
I knew that the way I stated what Nate Silver said was both true and that it would get a rise out of you because it wasn’t worded exactly the way he wrote it, and that you would then proceed to obsess over it because you cannot help yourself.
I knew that the way I stated…
Self-absorbed Troll likes to describe how awesome he believes himself to be.
Silver was not nearly as emphatic as you needed to make him sound, in order to back up this bit of bravado: “Mock the tea partiers at your own peril.”
And “tea partiers,” Dennis? Don’t you mean tea baggers?
Don’t you mean tea baggers?
How DARE you use that term, which the movement gave itself?! Have you no decency? There are children about! And look, now you’ve made Dennis cry! Are you happy now?
I worded that specifically for you and I knew you’d take the bait.
Dennis is 9 years old.
Oh, get a room you two.
And it’s so charming to see NPR using the teabag term now, too.
http://teabagparty.org/
The utter inanity expressed by the clown in this thread is painful to my brain.
I can’t follow it anymore. It’s like a Moebius Strip of Stoopid.
He does describe the current state of liberal elitism accurately, though.
Indeed.
You need them to mock and reassure yourselves that you are smarter than they are.
No I don’t. I got 2000-2008 for that.
But to pretend that people don’t know what is meant when any Democrat or liberal says that word is naive at this point when Olby and Maddow Anderson Cooper and their guests and the whole liberal blogosphere have had such a grand time with it
Then why did they choose the name in the first place?
Zython, don’t you understand yet? It’s totally okay when a conservative Republican uses the term, but not when a liberal Democrat does. Because the Democrat clearly knows the implications behind the word, and it’s sexual meaning, because the Democrat is a crude dick. But the Republican, being virtuous and above such juvenile matters, does not know the crude slang definition of the word “teabag”, and therefore is free to use the word to describe their political movement.
Makes perfect sense. Or something.
mambo,
Why the outrage by the left over Barack Hussein Obama, then? He’s used it to his advantage when the situation called for it. People on the left have talked about it glowingly when the they see fit and the situations to his advantage have called for it. There is a long history of calling politicians by their middle names for political advantage, both for and against the politician. But the left goes ballistic when anyone on the right called him by his middle name during the campaign.
How is that situation any different. You guys went far more ballistic over that term’s use by the right than people on the right are about the teabagger moniker.
Dennis, why don’t you try to actually explain why they’re comparable instead of just saying they are. C’mon, man. Work it out. Think it through.
He’s used it to his advantage when the situation called for it
Wen? Be specific. Show your work.
Don’t hold your breath.
Right?
“I was typing pretty fast and furious at the time and my wife was yelling up at me because we were running late for a dinner date”
LOL.
Dennis, the first step towards addiction recovery is realizing you have a problem.
“Dennis, turn off the computer-box! It’ time for Applebee’s!”
“Just a sec honey, haven’t finished typing what Sean Hannity told me to say on a liberal blog! I’m too much of a coward and a lightweight to actually get my own!”
Dennis wrote:
“In short he says……yes, it is.”
In short, no, he didn’t.
Nate Silver:
“So — is it time for Democrats to push the panic button? Or is this poll some kind of outlier?
Probably a little of both.”
Such a resoundingly definitive endorsement of your views, to be sure. IOW, “maybe”. He places his reason for concern on the poor economy, not anything done by the Tea Party adherents.
So, are we to believe that you accept Silver’s opinions to be credible in general, or is this a cherry-picked example? Because his opinions certainly contradicted a great deal of your assertions here over the course of the campaign. I certainly look forward to quoting Silver in the future when he contradicts you, because you obviously take his views very seriously.
Or are you perhaps assuming that Democrats share the “ditto-head” characteristic of the Right, and that we aren’t allowed to disagree amongst ourselves? If so, you mistake the “top-down” model of the Republican Party for the “coalition” model of the Democratic Party.
Dennis wote:
“There is a long history of calling politicians by their middle names for political advantage,”
To be sure. We all remember countless example of Clinton being called “Jefferson”. Johnson could hardly avoid being called “Baines”, and Truman was forever being called “S” (his middle initial stood for no name at all).
Who could forget all of the times Reagan was referred to as “Wilson” – nearly as often as Carter was called “Earl”. And Teddy Roosevelt actually had no middle name, hence the use of the common term “Blank” when referring to him. Likewise with Lincoln, which could get confusing, because calling Presidents by the their middle name is so common.
Seriously, Dennis…it’s not common. There is no “long history”, unless, like most wingnuts, you believe that history began on January 20, 2009.
Our last President was called “W” for two reasons: he called himself that incessantly, and to distinguish him from his father who had the same first and last name. And nobody commonly referred to him as “Walker”, which was your point, after all.
Walker, Texas Ranger. Heh heh heh.
This was so striking, I thought I should post it on this blog. This is as close to the best thread as I could find for it.
Front and center on Real Clear Politics:
Real Clear Politics Monday
Unemployment Off the Chart – Ross Douthat, New York Times
Has America Lost Its Mojo? – Fareed Zakaria, Newsweek
How Washington Can Create Jobs – Alan Blinder, Wall Street Journal
Main Street Tells Wall Street, ‘Get a Real Job’ – Susan Antilla, Bloomberg
The American Dream Needs Repair – Clive Crook, Financial Times
Obama’s Malpractice – Robert Samuelson, Newsweek
Wrong Time to Be Pushing Health Reform – Michael Barone, DC Examiner
The End of Chimerica – Niall Ferguson & Moritz Schularick, New York Times
Today’s PC Army – Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
We Need a Civilian ROTC – E.J. Dionne, Washington Post
KSM Trial Will Be Intel Bonanza for Al-Qaeda – John Yoo, Wall St. Journal
Put Osama bin Laden on Trial – Paul Cruickshank, CNN
Government Health Fixes Will Leave Us Broke – Sally Pipes, RCP
Get Ready For the Third Intifada – Stephen Cook, The New Republic
Can We Get Gov’t Out of Every Moral Controversy? – Reihan Salam, Forbes
Govt Vaccine Development Puts Us at Risk – Peter Huber, City Journal
Obama Must Rethink Rethinking Afghanistan – Doyle McManus, LA Times
Media’s challenge: Making it look like the Democrats are not in trouble in 2010 …
… and 2012
Shhhh, Frank. The kids here think it’s all good.
Not sure why RCP left this one out today, though.
From the collective here’s favorite economist:
The Worst is yet to Come: Unemployed Americans Should Hunker Down for More Job Losses
–Nouriel Roubini
Sorry that “john sullivan” spurned your advances, Dennis. But at least Frank’s still sitting at the bar. Maybe he’ll buy you a drink.
Man, that was pathetic.