’)These are the 39 “Democratic” members of congress who voted against health care reform. Unlike many bills in the House – even bills about war – this was a non-negotiable one. Not a single Democrat should have voted against this bill, not for it going too far to the left (Shuler, Herseth, etc.) or for not going far enough to the left (Kucinich). The goal of strong health care reform has been a major goal of the Democratic party for much longer than I have been alive. If you aren’t going to vote for health care reform, then you shouldn’t be a Dem.
We should support the primary opponents of the following Democrats, and in the case of Artur Davis, not support his run for governor of Alabama. It would be great for Alabama to have a Democratic governor who is black, but it isn’t worth it if that Governor is going to be a lackey for the health insurance industry and the forces of the status quo.
The 39 Democrats who shouldn’t bother to be Democrats:
Adler
Altmire
Baird
Barrow
Boccieri
Boren
Boucher
Boyd
Bright
Chandler
Childers
Artur Davis
Lincoln Davis
Chet Edwards
Gordon
Griffith
Herseth-sandlin
Holden
Kissell
Kosmas
Kratovil
Kucinich
Betsy Markey
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
McIntyre
McMahon
Melancon
Minnick
Scott Murphy
Nye
Peterson
Ross
Shuler
Skelton
Tanner
Taylor
Teague
There’s a list about twice as long consisting of Republicans who didn’t want to lose their jobs.
The bill was going to pass, but it was a matter of which Democrats got the short straws and had to vote “aye” and which ones got the longer straws and got to vote “nay” and each category had many conditional job offers and campaign assistance pledges and all the rest attached to it. Obama probably has most of October 2010 scheduled by now because of this bill, and that’s how these things go. I hope there’s a few favors left for the Senators who will need some prodding and favors.
Unbelievable.
The NY Times quotes President of the United States Barack Obama calling tea party protesters ‘teabaggers’.
Stay classy, Mr. President.
The president is not being classy, by calling a group by the name they chose to use for themselves?
PS your comment? Not really relevant. Just sayin.
Heaven forbid he use their own description of themselves.
Yeah, Oliver, the President of the United States using a slang term for a sex act to describe people opposed to his policies, along with calling them extremists, all to get a a few votes on a bill that gives away all kinds of concessions in order to eke out a very slim win.
Guy’s really on top of his game, isn’t he?
Its not the President’s fault that when they named themselves, they chose the name for a sex act, and when they were apprised of that fact by constant mockery, they stuck to it.
Why should the President refuse to respect their wishes to be known as tea-baggers?
Just a thought for your mentor: why doesn’t he call up Michael J Fox and scream into his phone that he doesn’t really have Parkinson’s. That should help release the pent up frustration at losing another round to our President. Almost Monday.
Ha, he doesn’t even use the word “teabagger” he just uses the word “teabag” which, if memory serves me is what was thrown over the White House fence by protesters.
But the real reason that conservatives are upset isn’t because the word offends their delicate sensibilities or because it uses tawdry innuendo (remember conservatives are no enemies of innuendo as long as their the ones using it). It’s because it has worked, we took the name they were calling themselves, pointed out it’s other meaning and it caught the national consciousness.
Now they’re whining that Democrats are being so mean because we’re winning the national debate. Republicans are the only ones who are allowed to come up catchy, denigrating phrases and when Democrats do it, well it’s just unseemly.
Irritating that Kratovil voted against it, but his district is very red and he won by a whisker. He will NOT be successfully primaried from the left, though from the right is quite possible within the Eastern Shore Dems. A rematch with his wingnut is likely so it was probably a very safe vote. Pelosi’s probably just grateful to have the procedural vote; she grew up in Baltimore, she knows how the Shore is.
Next up, Dennis finds it unbelievable we call him Dennis.
Good analogy, Marco. For you, anyway. When’s the last time anyone involved in a tea party protest called themselves teabaggers? Anyone do that after you guys started snickering about it like you were one of the girls on Sex in the City?
You’ve recycled the tea bags one too many times and now the product is diluted and starting to taste like piss. Give it up. You lose.
When’s the last time anyone involved in a tea party protest called themselves teabaggers?
May, as far as the ten seconds on Google it’s worthy of indicates.
Six months ago, Pollack. That’s about the time when the lib blogs and Rachel Maddow and Cooper Anderson all starting snickering about the Urban Dictionary connotation of it being a somewhat unusual sex act, too. Anything since that time? And why does the President of the United States just now, six months later, suddenly think it’s a cool enough reference for him to use it to denigrate people who, like 49% of the House, don’t agree with him on the merits of this health care bill?
Dennis, I think you’re overreacting a bit. As LQ points out down below, tea does come in little bags. Little bags that were mailed to congressmen and thrown onto the white house lawn, if memory serves. The president is a lot smarter and more tactful than you’re giving him credit for.
Haha, it’s alright, I just saw that the post about this showed up on NRO a few hours ago. It’s just today’s silly talking points.
Anything since that time?
How about Oct 22?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-charles-krauthammer-references-tea-bag-protests/
Shorter Dennis: “Thank you sir may I have another!”
six months ago, before the google was invented…
Moving your own goal posts now or did you just forget that “when was the last time…” nonsense in your response to Oliver? Sorry, Dennis . I am not going to sift through the youtubes to find the date of the last time one of your ilk referred to themselves as a tea bagger. They usually prefer to call themselves “patriots” anyway, which is almost as funny.
Don’t worry though. Republican Fake Outrage usually lasts 24hrs or until the next “scandal” erupts. You’ll forget about the outrageously offensive comments made by the President as soon as a Democrat says something you can butcher and misquote. No worries, sweetheart.
Hey, Dennis… if you’re going to claim the NYT quoted Obama as calling the protestors “teabaggers” shouldn’t you include a quote where Obama calls them “teabaggers”?
I’m just asking because… well, because I want to point out that you look like a fucking idiot when you can’t accurately describe a short bit of written text.
Sure thing, Long-Haired.
Nice link there, clown.
Uh, Dennis, you do understand that there’s a difference between a “teabag”, which holds a measure of tea, and a “teabagger”, right?
I mean, there’s a reason that the one has additional letters – they’re not just there for decoration.
More seriously, I am very curious about something: are you just baldfacing your way out of an obvious error, or are you really, honestly, too fucking stupid to realize you made one?
Baldfacing.
“Never give an inch!!!”
This is how the modern Republican party, the party of Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin, operates. They have their story and they stick to it, no matter how many inconvenient Liberal Facts keep popping up.
He used the Urban Dictionary jargon you kids are so fond of, Indeed. No way around that, no facts can refute it. You guys mainstreamed it.
You honestly think Obama doesn’t know what he said and what it meant?
I just want to hear Jake Tapper ask Baghdad Bob about it and see how many ‘ahh-ahh-ahhhhh’s it takes him to answer the question.
Ye reap what ye sow, Indeed.
You mean just like Charles Krauthammer on 10/22?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-charles-krauthammer-references-tea-bag-protests/
According to Dennis, that never happened.
Obama referred to them as the “teabag, anti-government people” and Krauthammer referred to them as the “teabag protests.”
Dennis, please explain the difference.
And you have proof of this. You’re not speculating, right? You just KNOW it’s true. Just KNOW it. As with Frank Capra’s casting and character decisions, right? As with Michael J. Fox faking his Parkinson’s Disease, right? As with some crazy Liberal shooting a bazooka into Lout Dobbs’ house, right? Dennis believes it, so it must be so. As with Evolution, the Iraq Invasion, or Global Warming, I’ll stick with the evidence than the rantings of some anonymous blog commenter who (figuratively) has his tongue stuck up Rush Limbaugh’s asshole.
Hey, Indeed, it’s out of my hands at this point. Let the American people decide now.
Maybe Obama can expound what he meant and which interpretation he wants it to have been.
Nice baldfacing! Facts? Evidence? That’s for Liberals.
Never give an inch!!!
Hey, Indeed, it’s out of my hands at this point. Let the American people decide now.
Really, Dennis? This is all you’ve got? You flew off half-assed screeching about something Obama said that he didn’t actually say.
You wrote:
Awesome quote marks, Dennis, especially since you cited this:
So Dennis, did Obama say “teabaggers”? No. No he did not.
Did he say “Tea bag”? You bectha! And guess who else used the exact same word in the exact same context on October 22? Charles Krauthammer.
Do you even have the integrity to acknowledge the obvious dilemma this puts you in? No.
Because you’re a hack. Always have been. Always will be.
Cue “You’re an obsessed stalker, Stop picking on me” In 3, 2 …
Moron.
Nitpicker fafaroo,
Please count the number of posts you’ve made here today.
Then count the number of posts you’ve made that were directed at me.
Take the first number and divide by the second number.
Magically, that number turns out to be 1.0.
Amazing.
It’s like clockwork.
That was pretty awesome. I’m going to take a screen shot of the three above posts, because it’s priceless.
I worked really hard on that one yesterday, Long-haired. Thought it wasn’t going to see the light of day.
Took a whole day to get on Drudge, but now there it is.
Gotta hand it to Ace, though, who really nailed it today:
President B. Hussein Obama:
Let’s Not “Jump to Conclusions” on Hassan, But Oh, By the Way, Those “Tea-Bag People” are “Extremists”
Blog. Post. Of. The. Day.
Yup. Definitely baldfacing.
Baldfacing would be your peddling forged quotes and stepping on the gas with it AFTER you know they are known to be forged, Indeed.
Because peddling forged quotes and just walking away when you get called on it, is totally cool. If you’re Dennis.
I believe I owned up to that mistake.
Um, Dennis, what are the “several tenets of the Laffer Curve” you mentioned some time ago?
Tell me, clown, what did Christopher Hitchens say about the civility of conservatives again? Something about them being “nicer” than liberals?…
I made a mistake lifting that quote, truth be known, mambo. The blog I lifted it from made that mistake and later acknowledged it. I posted the link to Hitch’s article and saved it to my favorites to read later because I like his writing on religion and wanted to read it when I had the time to enjoy it; so I never read it to get to the actual quote to verify it for accuracy. Lazy mistake….but I did post the link to the article here.
I can post studies that prove the point, though, if you’d like.
First off, I’d like to point out that you recognize your error as being a “lazy mistake”, but not malicious or deliberately misrepresenting information to support your point. At the same time, you have shown a propensity to harp on other commenters when similar-looking mistakes are made. In the case of commentary that you ragged on me about, it was not so much a mistake that I made as perhaps a slight failure of clarity on my part (with respect to the Rush Limbaugh forged quotes).
So you seem to be saying that when YOU do something like this, it’s just an innocent mistake, but when OTHERS (especially those on the other side of the aisle) do something similar, it’s evil and malicious and dishonest and wrong. Fundamental attribution error and self-serving bias all wrapped up in a neat little package.
I’m inclined to believe you, incidentally, about this being a mistake borne out of laziness or carelessness. But tell me why I should afford you this courtesy when you are so unwilling to do so for others? Why should I not harangue you consistently about this in the weeks and months to come? Especially at any time in which you criticize another for messing up a quote?
Finally, I would LOVE to see published, scientific studies that indicate that conservatives are “nicer” than liberals. I am going to go on a limb and bet that anything you find is going to be shoddy, shoddy work. But I could be wrong. Surprise me.
mambo-
I think the charge of racism is a bit more serious and deserves a higher degree of scrutiny than saying conservatives are nicer than liberals, yes.
I apologized to you for haranguing you about the Limbaugh forged quotes after your explanation but you persisted in calling me all sorts of names, so it was game on. Indeed kept posting those quotes long after I had shown him rather convincingly they were forged, so he couldn’t make the case of a simple mistake. You can harangue me all you’d like to about the Hitchens quote- I probably deserve it and I learned a lesson from it.
As to studies, here’s something to get started:
Conservatives Have Answered Obama’s Call
On the other hand, the data show that liberals need a nudge to give.
You didn’t really apologize, Dennis. You expressed real doubts about my sincerity, while saying that you “apologize if what I (mambo) said is true”. I’m paraphrasing, but that was the tenor.
It’s like the classic, “I’m sorry if people were offended by what I said.” It’s not an apology for saying something stupid or offensive, it’s apologizing for the fact that people were too sensitive; it’s not an apology at all.
But that’s okay. I know what to expect from you now.
As for your link: If you want to operationally define “niceness” as the amount of money that an individual gives to charity, then perhaps you are correct. I would argue that charitable donations are a very narrow view of the differences in temperament and attitudes of liberals and conservatives; there is a lot more to consider, including the amount of volunteer work individuals do, as well as the root causes for the differential giving behavior.
For example, I could speculate that conservatives give more money on average because they are trying to assuage deep-seated guilt from their explicit support of individuals and a Republican party that supports racist policies and helps the wealthy at the expense of the poor. Therefore, their giving behavior is indicative of conservatives acting in a manner that is actually more repugnant than liberals’ behavior (the opposite of your thesis). The link you provide is just as much evidence for my hypothesis as yours (that conservatives are “nicer”).
The point is, looking at simple correlations in a study such as this does not demonstrate anything conclusive in the way that you believe it does.
Dennis – I’ll take your silence as your tacit admission that I’m correct.
Jesus, Dennis. You just accused Obama of using the term “teabaggers” when in facts he said “teabag, anti-government people.” The exact same phrase used by Charles Krauthammer in the exact same context just a few weeks before.
Blindly cutting and pasting from hack conservative blogs regardless of the facts IS WHAT YOU DO.
Shorter Dennis: “Run away!”
No, fafaroo, the difference is conservatives don’t think of themselves typically as doing things like holding their nutsacks over someone else’s mouth, and I seriously doubt Charles Krauthammer does, either. Liberals have managed to have a very merry time snickering about this term for the last six months and have managed to mainstream the term.
I don’t know what was going through Obama’s mind, but my guess is he and Gibbs and Axelrod and Emmannuel and Chairwoman Mao all hate the tea party protesters and are all keenly aware of how much a thorn in his side they are, and they ALL know exactly what the teabag term as used by the liberals set means, especially when he coupled the teabag term with ‘extremists’. My guess he was being a lot more Janeane Garafalo than he was being Charles Krauthammer, especially since he threw in the “extremists” descriptive. I doubt you’ll see Krauthammer describe tea partiers as “extremists.”
Nope, Indeed, still here.
You, however, have yet to explain why you kept using forged quotes well after knowing they were forged.
And there you go again, telling us again the deeper meaning behind a simple term that was uttered by someone on the other side of the aisle. If Krauthammer said it, then by golly it’s okay. If Obama says it, he CLEARLY is talking about the act of sticking a scrotum in another person’s mouth.
Fundemental attribution error. Self-serving bias. If I ever teach introductory psychology again, I will use your commentary to illustrate these rational fallacies. It’s really perfect.
“… and I seriously doubt Charles Krauthammer does, either.”
Do you really want to get into Charles Krauthammer’s sexual proclivities, Dennis?
Cuz I’m going guess that in certain circles this guy’s nickname is “Earl Grey.”
The blog I lifted it from made that mistake and later acknowledged it.
No doubt because you threw a fit in the comments section demanding a retraction once you realized you got played for a fool. Again.
… my guess is he and Gibbs and Axelrod and Emmannuel and Chairwoman Mao all hate the tea party protesters and are all keenly aware of how much a thorn in his side they are, and they ALL know exactly what the teabag term as used by the liberals set
Gee Dennis, I didn’t know you could read minds, as well.
And you give us a hard time about dog whistles?
Touche, Southern Quaker.
You see how I prefaced that, though…..
“My guess is….”. That means it is my guess that they know what the reference is intended to mean.
And my guess is that Krauthammer’s “tea bag parties” are the toast of underground D.C.
Wow! This is fun, Dennis! Know any other parlor tricks?
Two Profiles in Class [Rory Cooper]
Dennis, simply repeating the same thing over and over and over by cutting and pasting more and more crap from other right wing hacks, doesn’t make the claim you’re pushing any less stupid.
Really. It doesn’t.
These are not extreme views.
Comparing health care reform to the holocaust is indeed an extreme view.
And Rory Cooper is no more correct than you are, Dennis. The fuck I care what Rory Cooper thinks.
Keep licking those wounds and looking over there Dennis. Limbaugh will console your battered soul on Monday.
You moved the chains, isms, granted. But you burned two timeouts and two or three of your best offensive linemen went down with injuries; just so you could get from the 10 yard line to the 20.
Still a whole lot of green in front of you, and your fans in the stands are all shaking their heads and watching the clock.
In other words, this is great news for McCain!
McCain, Burn?
You guys can’t even decide if this was good news for Obama, Democrats, liberals, or even everyday Americans for that matter.
It was definitely a win for President Obama, for House Democrats (the ones who voted Democratic, anyway), and a great big HUGE win for all of us, which is why within the next ten years you will gradually fall silent and try to pretend that you were for “Obamacare” all the way, the same as you try to do now with Medicare and Social Security. And we’re such nice guys that we probably won’t even put up links to YouTube footage of you comparing one of the most popular programs in the nation’s history with the Holocaust.
But we will reserve the right to start calling it “Obamacare” while you tear your hair.
Per Intrade last trade at 8.5 for federal government run health insurance plan to be approved before midnight ET 31 Dec 2009, Doctor Psycho.
March 2010, last trade at 35.
June 2010, also at 35.
Like I said, Dems are looking at a lot of green between them and the end zone.
I think it’d be a grreat idea for them to read the bill in the Senate to everyone before any more votes are made on it.
Why do you keep bringing up inTrade when you’re in a corner, Dennics? Are you trying to make up losses on the 70% contract for Hoffman?
August, you can sign up and buy contracts @ 8.5 to your heart’s content and as much as you can afford, and more than 10 times your money if you believe it will pass. If I were you, I’d rather be doing that than typing here if I was so certain.
If you think that’s taking advantage of someone and too easy money, just donate your winnings to charity or to your favorite political candidate.
Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham: House bill “DOA” in the Senate.
Oh no, Wall Street making huge bets against America?
Where did we see this before? Hmmm….
You’re pretty dim witted if you didn’t get the joke Dennis. Then again, I’ve noticed most conservatives have very little capacity for irony or satire.
You want me to look over where?
Idiot.
Get your own blog, clown.
EVERY progressive should have had the guts to vote against this turd (even before it was saddled with the odious Stupak amendment). It’s nothing but a gift to the insurance companies, forcing people to buy their shoddy products. Don’t bother replying that the insurers were against it; the doctors were equally shortsighted about Medicare back in the day, before they realized it was a goldmine.
This bill is not what we need and will not make things better; it may make them worse. What it will do is postpone the day of reckoning for the insurance companies- and thus once again postpone REAL reform- by forcibly extracting more revenues for them from people who aren’t paying them for their worthless product now. This is a good thing why, exactly?
The real lesson is that once again it was only progressives who were asked to compromise and then compromise some more supposedly in order to get conservadem votes- many of which, as usual, still didn’t materialize regardless. People are really so goddamn stupid that that they STILL haven’t caught onto this Lucy-and-the-football conservadem game?
But I fully intend to take your advice about not bothering to be a Democrat any more. The utter uselessness of this party has never been more starkly revealed.
I am inclined to agree… and I have NOT been a Democrat for years. Dennis did the right thing on this bill. No Progressive should have been behind this bill WITH that Stupak amendment OR WITHOUT it.
Hear, hear.
As a would-be progressive, I’d rather this mess pass than have nothing happen again. Will it be a payout to insurance companies? Yes. Will it cut costs nearly as much as would a single-payer system? No. Will it be better than the status quo? Very much so.
Perfection really is the enemy of the good at times like this, so I’m going to continue to grumble and hope to build on this historic opportunity to build on something that can lead to a much bigger improvement over the current mess we’re in. This bill will be expensive, it will be fought over for years to come, but it will also cover many Americans who right now can’t go see a doctor because they’re too damn poor or sick. If that isn’t a progressive goal, then maybe it’s time for progressives to reevaluate themselves.
Quite … quite often so-called progressives look for what is fashionable in the white wine and cheese crowd rather than starting with what happens to the most disadvantaged amongst us.
We should, of course, also primary those who voted for the Stupak amendment, irrespective of whether they vote for final passage. And, yes, Congressman Ryan of Ohio, I am looking at you – this district is so safe you could give up 20% from your margin and still win.
What this guy said.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Compromise with assholes who royally fuck up bills and then vote against them anyway is the enemy of the good. This has been demonstrated over, and over, and over, and over again and yet progressives still don’t learn. Time to wake the hell up.
Eric Massa was on tricare in the military and gets the federal employee health benefits now. “socialism” for him but not for you
[...] You’re an asshole, Charlie. [...]
We’re talking about millions of uninsured people getting insurance, not the various compromises. “General welfare” is not going to be perfect, nor are the Democrats. But I’ll hold my nose and nod my head in this instance, knowing that the Republicans are not going to be able to make arguments against a bill they largely give mouth-service to while only complaining about the cost (which ultimately goes against their arguments.) Time will make this piece of crap bill into a winner.
My, my, Oliver. Are you writing in support of a civil war inside the Democrat Party?
The media was all aflutter with that phrase (and weren’t you as well?) last week because a few party figureheads split their support amongst a well publicized pair of candidates in a single race.
Why, this sounds like it would actually be a civil war if the Dems are stupid enough to try it. I agree with you, Oliver! Imagine that!
And imagine the party that started the American Civil War having a civil war of their own! Though I’m sure that they’ll find a way to blame it on Republicans.
Hey Phil, all that canned roast beef you’ve been eating recently is tainted and it’s influencing your thoughts. Take stock.
You should really gather up some Reading Comprehension points before venturing out of the safe confines of Camp O-Dub.
We’ve got multiple posters at RNS, Jisms.
Dennis, are you aware that there is an object actually called a “teabag”, which millions of people dip into hot water every day, and then they drink the water? Sounds obscene, doesn’t it? Maybe I should stop using them.
Or maybe you could advise me as to what else I ought to call them.
Lazy, no one cares what you call them, but the President of the United States should not be using sophomoric sexual allusions to denigrate anyone who may have legitimate, ideological disagreements with his policies.
There are no words to adequately describe how big a clown you are, Dennis. You simply cannot be serious. For someone, even the President of the United States, to use the word “teabag” with respect to these protestors, WHO ARE THE ORIGINS OF THE NAME OF THEIR MOVEMENT… is totally acceptable.
If they weren’t such goddamned ignorant fools, maybe they would have known the connotations of the word before they labeled their movement in such a sophomoric, juvenile fashion. As it is, they have no one to blame but themselves for being a laughingstock.
Clown.
So, they don’t read Urban Dictionary as closely as you obviously do, Chicken.
Doesn’t mean that’s what the President is supposed to do after it becomes a well-known liberal sexual slur, no matter how much he needs to cater to the far-left right now.
Cooper Anderson apologized for using the sexual slur.
And funny, Obama only seems to be comfortable using it in closed quarters when he thinks no one else is listening, just like his bitter comments.
Doesn’t mean that’s what the President is supposed to do after it becomes a well-known liberal sexual slur, no matter how much he needs to cater to the far-left right now.
No, it was a well-known sexual “slur” before they called themselves “teabaggers”. And it’s not, in any way, “liberal” in connotation. They called their movement that, it’s their own fucking fault. You teabagging idiots have to live with your dumb, dumb decisions.
Cooper Anderson apologized for using the sexual slur.
I assume you mean Anderson Cooper. And you should assume that I don’t give a fuck whether he apologized about it or not. Who cares whether he apologized for using the term?
You’re such a fucking ignorant teabagging troll. Get your own goddamn blog, or at least stay on the topic of the thread, clown.
And how does Dennis know that President Obama was deliberately using a well-known Liberal Slur? He just does. He doesn’t need any proof. Or evidence. Or facts. Dennis knows lots of things. Just like he knew that Frank Capra elected to cast Lionel Barrymore as Mr. Potter in a wheelchair “in a lame attempt to make him appear more evil and scary.” There couldn’t possilbly be any other reason because Dennis just knows it’s true. He just knows it. And don’t bother Dennis with any Liberal Facts because Dennis is a Tuff Guy. He’s not going to give an inch! Admit a mistake? Never!!!
Seems like a wee bit of a double standard vis a vis the whole Donovan Mcnabb thing.
A month ago:
Also.
Teabaggging is not allowed!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi9hgqZr6fs
Awesome.
I wonder if Dennis believes a stork brings Republicans babies.
who may have legitimate, ideological disagreements with his policies.
Hmm…. yeah, I’m gonna go with “False” here.
Legitimate ideological disagreements = The Death Panel is going to kill my granny.
If you listen close, real close, you can hear the whispering between Levine, Hannity and Limbaugh, as they develop the talking points for the upcoming week; until, of course, their next defeat. Coming soon. Bury Obamacare? The tide of history just rolled over your puerile incantations of fear and hate.
We should support the primary opponents of the following Democrats,
OW is channeling his inner Doug Hoffman supporter here.
To be fair to the dems who votes against health care reform, these were “free” votes that they were allowed by the leadership to take in order to preserve their job security.
A bill needs 218 votes in the House to pass. It doesn’t make the bill “better” simply because more people voted for it.
To be fair to the dems who votes against health care reform, these were “free” votes that they were allowed by the leadership to take in order to preserve their job security.
If this is true, then that relieves me of a lot of my irritation with this group of Democrats.
And, even better, every time a liberal bill passes by a thin margin, the Republicans have their tiny hopes that they were going to defeat it dashed away. Over time, having their plans to defeat a bill crushed time and time against after thin margins that they were just sure they could over come will grind down their morale and eventually make them more acclimated to the reality of a Democrat-controlled Congress and reconcile them to actually collaborating on bills to get some of their ideas incorporated rather than reflexively opposing them.
“And funny, Obama only seems to be comfortable using it in closed quarters when he thinks no one else is listening … .”
Only a fool could think that “no one else is listening” these day. President Obama is no fool. But clearly you are. Happy tea bagging. Take comfort, it’s almost Monday.
Josh Marshall on health care reform:
“The reason these sorts of events happen so infrequently is that they are like colossal ships or vast armies, very difficult to build or assemble and get on their way but also extremely difficult to stop or turn once they are under way.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/there_are_many_events_in.php#more?ref=fpblg
Long-term, health care reform could turn out to be one of America’s favorite government programs along with things like Social Security, the Federal Highway System, the Public University system, etc. And as Bill Kristol realized in 1993, this would be disastrous for the GOP, the party of “government sux.”
So sure, 39 Dems were covering their asses for 2010. But how short-sighted. They may have very well just voted against the bill that ensures the ascendancy of the Democratic Party for the next five decades.
Sure, this might prove to bite these particular congressmen in the ass at some point down the line. But it’s human nature to be short-sighted – I can’t completely blame them for voting against it for short-term gain IF (and only if) they did so with the complete understanding that the bill was going to pass the House vote.
Actually more “just like stupid”
What’s strange is I typed lots of different inquires prior to finding this one. The first time I used “french” language, this one topped the list. Shows the company you keep. I think I shall depart.
See ya later. So sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities. You poor, sensitive sap.
It is telling that on as historic occasion as this, one that could possibly set up a Democratic dominance for decades not unlike what he had from 1941-1980, our own resident troll can only talk about teabags.
Way to stay relevant, wing-nuts!