Just asking for a bit of intellectual honesty, Frank, but that seems to be beyond you.

OK, I surrender !

Bush was Hitler ! Were it not for you liberals , we’d all be in wiretapped concentration camps!

The people who compared Bush, Reagan, Ford and Nixon to Hitler were all justified.

Since Pres Obama wants only good things, he can do no harm , even by accident. The people who compare him to Hitler should deported to the East, and never seen again!

Thank God for the Obamassiah!

How about this one:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Anatomy of a Bogus Subpoena

How often does the government attempt such illegal fishing expeditions through internet data? How many online service providers have received similarly bogus demands, and handed over how much data, violating how many internet users’ privacy? How many of those subpoena recipients have been intimidated into silence by unconstitutional gag orders?

Who has attempted to take over the automobile industry and control securities? Oh, please. The auto industry was going bankrupt, thanks to their own short-sighted business models (see: the Humvee and Saturn) coupled with an economic crash which started long before Obama won the election. They went to him for the money. He has hardly “taken over the industry.” Should he have forked it over no strings attached?

Who is attempting to nationalize health care (one-sixth of our economy) Obama has never supported a single payer health care system, more’s the pity. Until he does, claiming that he is trying to “nationalize” the health care system just makes you sound paranoid and ignorant.

So, no, Obama is not a fascist. And for the record, modern European socialism has absofuckinlutely NOTHING in common with National Socialism.

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

If “Who is more like Hitler?” is meant to be the same question as “Which group of the President’s opponents is more justified in comparing him to Hitler – Pres Obama’s or Pres Bush’s?” , then I am going to answer that it is not a fair question.

The comparison is odious, in any case.

If the statement is “You cannot justify comparing Pres Obama to Hitler over national health care” , then isn’t the statement “Hitler did attempt to establish a totalitarian state in Germany, which surely included national free health care” a fair one?

But that comparison would be ludicrous, would it not?

I suspect that the issue here is who has the “semantic superiority”.

If conservative leaders, and conservative governments are viewed as “fascistic,” then, by that standard, any conservative President resembles Hitler more than liberal President.

However, I do not accept the judgement that all conservative leaders are “fascistic”. I look at a different assessment: Is the leader authoritarian? Does the leader seek to control the ‘engines of society’?
Who is bullying his opponents in the Press? Pres Obama
Who has attempted to take over the automobile industry and control securities? Pres Obama
Who is attempting to nationalize health care (one-sixth of our economy) Pres Obama

Of course, there will be bellowing and gnashing of teeth, but you see how the door of subjectivity swings both ways?

(My guess would be “no,” by the way.)

Which include the very policies (rendition, torture, indefinite detention) that some would argue are fascist in nature.

For the record, I am not one to compare Bush to Hitler. However, Frank, let’s be honest. Can you at least admit that policies such as the ones I listed above – which I object to no matter who is president – are a hell of a lot closer to fascism than universal health care???

As usual, no, Frank.

But I just realized something, guys: I professed to agreeing with the government’s definition of interrogation as not including torture ( a definition which remains unchanged in this administration ), and I was accused of sounding “a hell of a lot like the average German who aided and abetted Hitler’s rise to power.”

And, yet, you lefties admitted that you disagreed with Pres Obama on only a few issues, and were actually proud of voting for him at the time. So, are you saying that if I disapprove of something he does, I get to call you Nazis, because “you sound a hell of a lot like the average German who aided and abetted Hitler’s rise to power.”

You see what I am driving at here? You want desparately to compare Pres Bush to Hitler, so you rationalize and confabulate to make it so. But if someone attempt to do the same thing to the President you chose, you scream like banshees.

You just don’t want to see that they ARE doing it , because you DID it, and if they ARE wrong, then you WERE wrong.

Got it?

– who are still “people” and who have never been charged with a crime nor been presented with the reasons why they are being detained. Heck, they aren’t even prisoners of war, but “enemy combatants”. ’nuff said, indeed.

Laughably false. People here have criticized Obama for his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan (i.e., not leaving sooner), DADT, continuing Bush-era wire-tapping policies, not fighting back hard enough against teabaggers/birthers/Republicans, etc.

All you do is make shit up Frank.

But I eagerly await your wetting yourself and whining about how oppressed you are in about an hour or so.

Frank, that’s a load of bullshit. I for one (along with many others here) have criticized Obama for his position on FISA, extraordinary rendition, DADT, telecomm immunity, and DOMA. I also think his stimulus package could have been more directly applied towards infrastructure and job creation, and that he has caved on the single payer issue in health care.

Is that enough, or should I come up with a few more areas in which I disagree with the President? Or is disagreement only “real” when it comes from the right?

I meant that some commenter on a blog doesn’t define torture, I choose which definition to accept, and I accept the government’s belief that their interrogation techniques do not constitute torture.

I also believe that if things go well in the Middle East, they will not be living in the American Reich, so that is another difference from Hitler…

I also did not ask for the name of a piece of legislation, which for you lefties acts as a buzz word .. I asked you to name which rights had been taken away from you …

There are quite a few people at Guantanamo who are not simply “Iraqui Taxi drivers”.. Nuff said

If it only “bears some comparison in an absurdly hyperbolic way,” that’s not much of a comparison.

And , finally, Mambo, on a scale of 1 to 100 1 being non-Hitler like, and 100 being Hitler , I would rate Pres Bush at at or near 1; and given what may happen if Obamacare passes, I would place Pres Obama at or near 1.

Let me remind you of your own words, Frank: “Interesting that Mr Weisel should mention the unfair comparison of Pres Obama to Hitler now…”

Your righteous indignation is a bit misplaced where Mr. Weisel is concerned, don’t you think?

1 and 2. Giving Iraq the quickie “democracy makeover” as a prequel to reshaping the middle east in our image. The much ballyhooed “draining of the swamp”.

3 and 4. Umm….Patriot Act?

5. Not the government’s definition of torture. You are aware of the point I’m making? And you say this?!?!

6. Think sunny Cuba and the generous long term care at Gitmo for Iraqi cab drivers. Who also happen to be “people”, though I’m not sure if the government got around to redefining that yet.

Obviously the guy with the funny moustache was several leagues beyond this stuff, but at least it bears some comparison in an absurdly hyperbolic way. Whereas the comparison with someone who wants you to not go bankrupt paying for medical care doesn’t even come close to making any sense.

Yes you did.

Also, Shorter Dennis: “Maybe if I ignore what the leaders of the Religious Right have said, maybe it’ll never have happened.”