’)Multiple deaths and multiple injuries have resulted from shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, according to a Fort Hood spokesman.
At least seven people are dead and as many as 20 are wounded, CNN affiliate KXXV reported, citing a Fort Hood spokesman. One person is in custody in connection with the incident, it said.
UPDATE: President Obama has been briefed
The army is saying 20 have been wounded.
UPDATE 2: Army rep says 12 dead currently… shooter was killed, was soldier and 2 additional arrested (also soldiers)
UPDATE 3: Gunman identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan
UPDATE 4: VIDEO: President Obama on the “horrific outburst of violence”
Transcript of President Obama’s remarks
UPDATE 5: I should note that I find the constant cable news appearances of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson to be unseemly. Other pols have come on from the area (Republican) and have not been as icky as Hutchinson.
UPDATE 6: Army now reports that the shooter – Hassan – is not dead. He’s alive.
There goes all the tea-birther coverage for the rest of the day.
Might be a nice gesture to offer condolences for those killed and injured, along with their families, Burn, before you lament that it’s going to take away from the tea party coverage.
WTF is wrong with you?
Just an observation, Denny Boy, no need to get all upset, perhaps it was in bad taste, that I can admit. Of course it’s a terrible incident and of course it’s tragic for all parties involved, except the lowly pieces of shit who did the shooting.
Now what I want to know, who in the fucking blue hell decides to attack an Army base?
Now what I want to know, who in the fucking blue hell decides to attack an Army base?
Someone with nothing left to lose?
Ironically, most (all?) military installations are gun-free zones. Personal firearms aren’t allowed in barracks or housing. Soldier who own personal firearms must keep them in their unit arms room or w/ the provost marshal (police). It is a near guarantee that a gunman opening fire on a group of Soldiers on a CONUS installation will be opening fire on a group of unarmed people.
Does it make me a bad person to admit that the first thought that went through my head when I read about this news was exactly as Burn suggested. In fact, not “exactly”, it was more along the lines of “Hahahahaha! Boy, Michelle Bachmann is gonna be pissed!”
Of course, I have no qualms about admitting that I can be quite the happy vicious prick.
That said, I certainly hope they arrest and prosecute all the perps here.
Might be a nice gesture to offer condolences for those killed and injured, along with their families, Burn, before you lament that it’s going to take away from the tea party coverage.
Apparently it needs to be noted that scolding Burn for not offering condolences in his first post, is not the same thing as actually offering condolences before scolding Burn.
WTF is wrong with you, Dennis?
My sincere condolences go out to the servicemen killed and injured and their families.
Too late.
Really, fafaroo?
Why haven’t you offered yours, then?
Maybe because it’s a fucking blog and although it’s a nice gesture, it’s rather meaningless – again, albeit nice.
You really want to express your condolences or do something in their memory? Donate to a Vets group, military charity or the Red Cross.
For fuck’s sake.
Dennis, you’re the one who established the rule that you have to offer your condolences before offering any other comment.
Me? I think that’s a completely stupid idea because it’s got nothing to do with any kind of communal healing and is just another means for morons with axes to grind to point fingers and personally attack this or that person.
Which is, of course, exactly what you did.
So too late, Dennis. You already blew your chance to appear sincere.
Why haven’t you offered yours, then?
And I’ll just note that you’re still using someone’s “failure” to publicly express condolences as a personal attack.
This time directed at me for calling you on your bullshit.
What a guy.
So it must be a liberal conspiracy.
31 wounded.
Look, my first comment wasn’t a callous dig at anyone, just a dumb observation that shouldn’t have been said. Yes, I feel bad about it because it was a stupid thing to say because people have died and have been injured, so to anyone offended, I apologize wholeheartedly.
Now, to my original point, this is SO FUCKED UP. PTSD gone bad or what?
Burn,
Came in in the middle of the MSNBC broadcast. Two supects are in custody. There may be a third still at large, but they’re not sure. They were mentioning PTSD (or at least some psych issue) but I’m not sure in regard to who.
PTSD is no joke ya’ll.
I was at Camp Victory/Liberty from Nov 08 – May 09 and boy I tell you…there have been times I felt I wanted to snap. Over the smallest of things on top of that. I’m sure what I was experiencing was on a smaller scale compared to what these perps may have been going through but I can sypathize with being stressed out. Not acting stupidly and taking one’s anger out on another innocent individual. My prayers go out to the families.
A senior officer coordinating with two other Soldiers to open fire on a group of Soldiers going through the SRP site doesn’t strike me as someone “snapping” due to PTSD.
“Snapping” doesn’t always happen in a short period of time…there’s slow burn, with some of these.
Regardless, recent reports state that Hasan may have in fact acted alone.
It don’t have to SFC B. I was simply pointing out PTSD affects people in various forms. This was brought to my attention during my post-deployment briefing and I concluded I was suffering from the same symptoms. Therefore, “snapping” was described appropriately in my situation.
The fuck?
Ah, crap! The killed shooter has a arab-sounding name. This is going to be very, very bad.
I thought the same thing. Then I scolded myself. Why would we prefer it if the shooter did NOT have a Muslim sounding name?
Because it feeds the stereotype that you have more to fear from somebody named Malik than you do from somebody named Joe. Maybe I’m wrong here, but I find it perfectly acceptable to wish he hadn’t had an Arab name. Had he been named Joe guys named Joe would have had nothing to fear in terms of a backlash.
I am confused….after all of this time they are saying the shooter is alive?
Because, Smith, many folks will now make this story about millions of people who aren’t the shooter.
For this one post can we put the partisan crap aside and reflect on the lose this country and the families of these soldiers just had?
My prays are with the families, friends, and fellow soldiers wounded in this tragedy.
Oops I meant “prayers”.
This is sad…Thoughts & prayers are with the victims and their families…Hopefully the military will address the mental stress which comes from multiple deployments and PTSD…
Given how much we ask of these men and women, they should at least be able to rest while back home. That they cannot infuriates me.
Not just an Arab-sounding name, from recent reports, but a recent Muslim convert.
Not that anything you can say will tamp the hate-crowd, which is already mobilizing, I’m sure…but it’s worth noting that a significantly larger percentage of Muslim converts have served in the military without gunning down forty people.
I offer condolences to the victims and their families, and I offer hope for the safety of those who are about to be “retaliated” against.
Oh I am quite sure within a few hours, if it hasn’t happened already, the fucking goons like Michelle Malkin and the limpdicks at Redstate will be ALL OVER the idea that this was some premeditated Muzlumm attack.
Horrible news…prayers go out to the families of the victims and the shooter.
Guess this blows the conservative argument about gun control out of the water…arent they always saying
mass shooting wouldnt happen if everyone had a gun?
Military installations are gun-free zones. Personal firearms are prohibited. If a Soldier is carrying their Army-issued fire arm on post they will have a blank adapter attached (it’s a small device the fits on the end of the barrel) and they won’t be carrying any ammo.
Those Soldiers who were killed and wounded were as unarmed as anyone gun-control fanatic’s dream would be.
Thanks for the info …I didnt know that.
Those Soldiers who were killed and wounded were as unarmed as anyone gun-control fanatic’s dream would be.
That probably explains why this is such a shocking incident, since we expect that condition to prevail on Army bases and the possibility of armed conflict to be far less likely there than outside the base. You surrender several of your constitutional rights when you serve, one of them being the right to assemble peaceably to petition for redress of grievances, and another to carry your own weapon.
Since virtually every adult on an Army base is trained in weapons handling but prohibited from carrying them [loaded] without orders, that tells us a lot about what the Army has learned about keeping everyone armed all the time. Even with training, weapons close at hand along with the alcohol abuse so common in the military would lead to many more deaths than the Army is willing to accept, so the Second Amendment is worthless there.
I thought it was ironic when I went into Basic that they took away my pocketknife, then issued me a bayonet the size of a cutlass.
Better get your hate speech laws passed … quickly.
What the heck does that even mean?
Rest in Peace to the fallen. Condolences to the families. Life’s short. Everyone should call/ text/ email their relatives more often.
Backlash against the innocent.
I just heard on MSNBC that one of the wounded died, so now the number of killed is at 13 and it may rise.
A very sad day.
Never heard of these fine folks: jumping to conclusions.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/ft-hood-shooter-maj-malik-nadal-hassan.html
Sad day indeed…..this is a complete outrage. A Major and a Medical Corps guy…..
You can throw PTSD out the window on this one.
A military psychiatrist, apparently?
Really awful news. Condolences to the families.
I just heard that the gunman is still alive and receiving medical treatment. They think he acted alone.
Sorry, just saw the update up top.
Gee Quaker,
You must have been quite upset at how the whole DC sniper thing turned out. Personally I’m much more concerned about the American soldiers killed stateside. Those guys are our fathers and sons, husbands, boyfriends, neigbors, the guys we went to school with. They are us and your big concern is that people find out a muslim did it. You’re as bad as that prick from Canada who takes this opportunity to opine that we dismantle our freedom of speech so no muslims will have their feelings hurt. With any luck you guys will voice your opinions within earshot of an aquaintence or relation of one of these murdered americans.
Here’s a website where you can vent your feelings and not offend anyone. http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=55220
Quaker this is your worst moment. You’re like that God damned Mike Wallace who proudly explained where his loyalties lay.
Except for the gay ones, right?
Quaker this is your worst moment.
Not by a long shot. And bite me.
Personally I’m much more concerned about the American soldiers killed stateside.
No you aren’t.
Fafaroo,
My boy is in the service protecting worthless types like yourself along with the rest of us. I don’t usually get angry here, naivety and ignorance is nothing to raise your blood pressure about but I’m making an excepton at the moment.
My boy is in the service protecting worthless types like yourself along with the rest of us.
I stand by my statement. You could give a fuck.
Burn in hell you POS.
No, no. AO is more patriotic and cares more for servicemen than any of you traitors that are concerned about backlash against Muslims.
Self righteous moral outrage feels good, doesn’t it, AO.
Gee, AO, people died, don’t you respect anything??
Obama’s My Pet Goat Moment
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Obama’s Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.
Sad.
President Obama was acknowledging the people that came there for the White House Tribal Nations Conference (an already schedule event and the reason he was there for).
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/289819-2
It would have been distasteful not to acknowledge the people that came and helped put that event together before speaking about the horrible incident that just happen at Fort Hood.
“the reason everyone tuned into Obama’s speech”
I other words no one would have cared about Obama’s speech towards the Tribal Nations if the Fort Hood incident hadn’t happen.
Classy.
It’s not distasteful in the least to say “Hey, I’m the President and I got to go do President stuff” and then pass off MC duties to someone else. Heck, isn’t that why we keep Joe Biden around?
Umm he was doing President stuff, i.e “White House Tribal Nations Conference”. That’s the event he was speaking at and schedule at that time for him to do….you know President stuff.
Unfortunately, before he was to speak at the event the horrible tragedy at Fort Hood happen.
Criticizing the President for acknowledging the people THAT WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF HIM before addressing the Fort Hood incident is stupid.
Glad you finally acknowledge that Bush should have left the school photo op to, you know, do “President stuff.”
As for President Obama, there is nothing he could have done about Fort Hood, the shooting was over and his command wasn’t necessary as it was a police situation. His words and concern were timely.
AO – “With any luck you guys will voice your opinions within earshot of an aquaintence or relation of one of these murdered americans.”
Another veiled threat.
With any luck you’ll express your consistent hate mongering talk in the presence of any number of people who you insult daily just by talking the way you do. Let’s go after the innocent just to feel better, right.
BTW your link was idiotic; have you checked out mine? Now that’s hate.
I’m not sure I’d equate putting mention of a tragedy that already finished a few minutes into an address with choosing to read to children and then having a photo session for 20 minutes after being told the nation is under attack.
You would if you were a stupid fucking dildo wingnut who was reaching for a way–no matter how ridiculous–to criticize Obama.
Some say “Pet Goat” moments refer to one’s waiting for the teleprompter to arrive. But others define those moments as “paralysis after negligence”. So was Obama waiting for the teleprompter or was he negligent about preventing the psycho major from doing his deed?
Let’s all argue over when to offer your conolesecences, or even more irrelevantly, whether or not Pres Obama, should have said, “Hiya, Indians!” before or after he talked about the shooting at Fort Hood.
Here’s what really matters:
a radicalized Muslim US Army officer
You and idiot Ralph Peters know this for a fact? It’s surely a possibility, but you know this for certain? If you say yes, you’re a moron.
And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.
Damn straight. Let’s call this what this is and do what has to be done: Invade and occupy Texas.
You’re absolutely right, Frank.
What also really matters is that Jason Rodriguez, who shot up an office in Orlando today, was also a radicalized Muslim who shouted “Allahu Akbar!” while he…
…no. Wait. Hm. I have no idea what religion Jason Rodriguez is.
But it must be Muslim, right?
I’m sure the military is going to be thorough in their investigation. Meanwhile, wing-nuts betray their hate-filled ideology while the families mourn.
Classy as ever, Republicans.
I do think it’ll be quite a story though. Military psychiatrist, apparently? Very sad.
“a radicalized Muslim US Army officer
You and idiot Ralph Peters know this for a fact? It’s surely a possibility, but you know this for certain? If you say yes, you’re a moron.”
At this point let us examine what we do know.
The shooter was a muslim whose parents moved here from Jordon.
He was an officer in the US Army.
He did commit mass murder of fellow soldiers.
His family considered him a pious muslim.
Now is not the commission of mass murder an example of radicalized behavior?
Is the shooter not connected to Islam?
Is the murder of American soldiers not an act of terrorism?
All of the above is quite hard to dispute. Let us examine once more Ollie’s position.
“It’s surely a possibility, but you know this for certain?”
Unless by certain you mean the shooter has not been yet convicted of his crime and is technically at this point considered innocent because guilt has not yet been proven in court it is difficult to see the point Ollie is trying to make.
Which part of the statement that the shooter is a radical muslim army officer who committed an act of terroism against American soldiers is not true?
Meanwhile, wing-nuts betray their hate-filled ideology while the families mourn.
Shall we alow them a few days to bury their dead before we express an opinion? Jaim, you’re a jerk. You never cease being a jerk. You will never cease being a jerk.
I suppose if the Police officer were “classy”, she would have waited until after the funerals to shoot that gunman.
“Hate – filled ideology”, indeed. Did I say I hated anyone, you jerk?
Being predisposed to wish my enemies harm is not “hate”, you jerk. You may not wish to believe we are at war with Islam, but you can bet your booties, they think that they are war with us.
By the way, Jaim, have I called you a jerk yet? You’re a jerk.
And, Oliver, when it turns out that the Mad Major is indeed a radicalized Muslim terrorist, there will be no need for you to print a retraction or a an apology. That’s not the
Chicagoliberal wayAw crap! I knew if I lurked enough, I’d catch Frank in the act, but what a lousy time! That quote would fit right into fstdt.com’s “racists” section, but due to the event motivating it, I bet plenty of juicier ones will come up.
Meh, it’s not as if Frank was difficult to milk for dumb statements.
And to answer, yes, you should wait before expressing an opinion. Wait at least long to have facts to build an opinion from. A guy blows a fuse and shoots random victims = terrorism? Tsss, until proven otherwise, it has every appearance of a mental case.
And, Frank, if it turns out that the Mad Major is indeed a radicalized Muslim terrorist, there will be a need for you to explain how you think the government and us Americans should respond. (I mean aside from wetting ourselves, as you seem prone to do.)
We eagerly await your various proposals for rounding up Muslim Americans and putting them in camps, forcing them to wear distinguishing labels on their clothes, shutting down mosques and banning the Koran etc. etc. etc.
Being predisposed to wish my enemies harm is not “hate”
Yes it is.
Let’s all argue over when to offer your conolesecences, or even more irrelevantly, whether or not Pres Obama, should have said, “Hiya, Indians!” before or after he talked about the shooting at Fort Hood.
Here’s what really matters:
The New York Post? Really? Frank, you don’t have to prove to us that you’re a moron, we already believe you.
You may not wish to believe we are at war with Islam, but you can bet your booties, they think that they are war with us.
Tell me, how does it feel to think that all the brown people are out to get you?
By the way, Jaim, have I called you a jerk yet? You’re a jerk.
Aw, the guy who wants to persecute and exterminate an entire religion thinks someone else is a jerk. Whaa whaa.
Face it Frank, you are an unhinged, disgusting “human” being.
fafaroo, I don’t think I have to come up with “anything to do about it”, except remind people that we are at war, not subject to “man-made catastrophes” as HSA hilariously puts it.
All that incarceration, and labeling, and banning media — that’s the
Chicagoliberal way.Tell me, how does it feel to think that all the brown people are out to get you?
Which “brown people” are you referring to? And where did you get the idea that I thought that some “brown people” were out to get me?
… the guy who wants to persecute and exterminate an entire religion …
Do you mean me ? When did I say that?
Zython, you’re really getting obnoxious. At least you’re learning something here. But I think I heard your Mommy calling you — she wants you to come up out of the basement, and empty the garbage.
Here’s the “mental case” dressed up a week late for Halloween:
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/muslim-garbed-jihadi-nidal-hasan-screamed-allah-akbar/
I had a more elaborate article on a news site but it’s buggy, so this will have to do:
Arthur Shelton
Is this madman representative of Christianity? Does the fact that his insanity expressed itself through a religious delirium mean anything about the religion itself? Surely not!
Frankie, logic says the current story is much more likely to be a case like that than a global terrorist conspiracy. I’ll teach you a little secret: going on a killing spree is not something sane people do. In no part of the world, in no religion. It’s insanity. It’s a sad, sad thing that happens when someone’s mental issues are left to grow into something monstrous that can make firing a weapon toward several strangers sound like a good idea.
Wow, dressed up in traditional Muslim garb is a Halloween costume to you, huh Frank. Real tolerant. Jackass.
Funny you should say that Frank because I went out this Halloween as a Catholic Bishop with a laptop and a boner.
fafaroo, I don’t think I have to come up with “anything to do about it”, except remind people that we are at war, not subject to “man-made catastrophes” as HSA hilariously puts it.
That’s great, Frank. I’ll try and remember that. Next time, though, just send a card.
“Being predisposed to wish my enemies harm is not “hate”
Yes it is”
Zython,
Since words have specific meanings perhaps you are correct here. It would seem quite naive and foolish to not hate one’s enemies. What pray tell is the politically correct attitude to hold regarding one’s enemies?
“Tell me, how does it feel to think that all the brown people are out to get you?”
What is a brown person? Seems a pretty broad brush to paint with. In your mind is it anyone that is not white? Would you classify a jew as white but an arab as brown? Or is a jew brown? Is an asian brown? What about a spaniard? Are the rest of the european caucasions white but a spaniard is not? What about an italian? Are they white like say a englishman or are they brown like say a negro.
I think perhaps you are just playing the race card for points out of habit.
In response to a fool claiming this to be part of a war against Islam? Gee, no one should ever suspect a hint of racism, ever!!!
It would seem quite naive and foolish to not hate one’s enemies.
Here’s the thing, Amused, it’s pretty obvious that you are not predisposed to hating your enemies. You’re predisposed to hate. Which is why you see a world full of enemies.
It would seem quite naive and foolish to not hate one’s enemies.
Adding that it is actually naive and foolish to hate one’s enemies. It serves no constructive or strategic purpose. In fact it clouds one’s judgment and easily leads people to do more damage to themselves and their society than the enemy ever could alone.
Face it, Amused, you’re a racist, xenophobic fuck who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the “enemy” as along you have an excuse to get your hate on.
fafaroo,
You confuse hate with anger. Perhaps you don’t know the difference. Anyone less an extreme masochist would hate the people responsible for acts of war and terrorism committed upon one’s self, society, culture.
There seems almost no enemy you will not apologize for or appease to. Your desire to, among all things, be politically correct no matter the cost is far more helpful to those attacking us than it is to those who defend us. You are the most dangeros thing we face, the danger within. Well meaning fools who unwittingly enable and encourage our enemies.
You are the most dangeros thing we face, the danger within.
I rest my case.
Enlightened Liberal: That was sarcasm. Real perceptive. Asshat.
Mutante Dodo: All terrorists need not be part of a “global terrorist conspiracy.” You lefties are fond of referring to T. McVeigh as a terrorist; what global plot, or even larger plot, was he a part of?
The current story, as I have read it, is that he was dabbling with radical Islam, and that he had settled up with his landlord, as if he were going away somewhere. Army Majors who are psychiatrists don’t just “snap” – that flies in the face of logic. The idea that, possessed with the “zeal of the newly converted”, he chose to ‘make his bones’ by shooting up a “nest of infidels”, on the other hand, is consistent with his other activities.
You don’t know a lot about psychology, do you?
Read up on it a bit. I don’t have a specific book to recommend, get some textbook from a college, the basics will be enough to prevent you from sounding silly.
I see nothing wrong with saying that this guy was a radicalized Muslim if he indeed went on a “Jihad”. If he was saying Allahu Ahkbar. I don’t have a problem with it at all. Maybe we can get mad at Frank and say Republicans are “turning this into something”, or all of us can can remember the pregnant mother, the father of three, the 62 year old who had a heart attack two weeks ago and just came back to work this week to help troops, the Laotian immigrant whose father fought the VietCong alongside American Advisers, the 29 year old SGT who joined up right after 9/11. Hopefully we can all look at the common ground and see how horrible this is. Undoubtedly this guy committing this crime is no license to persecute Muslims, but to call this man any horrible name such as radicalized or anything else is not over the line in my book. For me, this has been extremely difficult, because an Officer was responsible. Not to say that it would be more understandable if an Enlisted Soldier did it, but for the fact that an Officer doing this is much grave a situation. The Officer Corps is symbolic of the great pains of honor, duty, integrity, trust, and loyalty that is necessary for the American Military to do what it has to do….even in the face of unbearable odds. For Soldiers, this was earth-shattering. This was huge……this was sad.
The evidence thus far seems to indicate that this was an isolated incident of a guy going off the deep end due to what he perceived to be unfair treatment and bullying. The fact that he’s a Muslim doesn’t in and of itself make it any different than what happened at Oklahoma City, Columbine, or Virginia Tech.
I think perhaps you are just playing the race card for points out of habit.
Oh noes! Someone is declaring an entire religion enemies of the state, and I’m playing TEH RACE CARDZ! Oh woe is me!
You don’t know a lot about psychology, do you?
Read up on it a bit. I don’t have a specific book to recommend, get some textbook from a college, the basics will be enough to prevent you from sounding silly.
What are you talking about? Frank knows all about psychology. ‘dem Mooslims are crazy, right? That’s Psych 101.
You don’t know a lot about psychology, do you?
No, Dodo… Fill me in …
I’ve read a book or two (magna cum laude in social science ‘94) but surely you can fill in any gaps in my poor education. Feel free.
Start with “predictors of suicide”.
Nah, I’ll start with your assumption that because a guy had a job, he couldn’t be mentally ill at the time and if he went nuts, it’s clearly because he was all muslimized at once, never mind that schizophrenia and other mental illnesses are associated with religious obsessions, it’s a common symptom, but hey! If it’s Islam, no need for a mental illness, the religion itself is TEH EBIL and made him shoot people.
Ok, see that? It’s wrong. I already knew that sort of reasoning doesn’t make sense when I was twelve years old, and since you claim to be nearly three times my age, it’s sad that you can be beaten by a pre-teen’s general culture.
“The danger within?” Right.
Haven’t heard that little wacko nugget in a while.
“Start with “predictors of suicide”.”
Okay okay me first – being Muslim?
I’ll start with your assumption that because a guy had a job, he couldn’t be mentally ill at the time
You mean you’ll start with your assumption that I made that assumption — I said no such thing.
schizophrenia and other mental illnesses are associated with religious obsessions
And associated with late adolescence, and rarely feature violence.
If it’s Islam, no need for a mental illness, the religion itself is TEH EBIL and made him shoot people.
Apparently, you studied Islam in a different place than I did. There is nothing inherently evil about Islam that would suggest to even a schizophrenic Army officer / psychiatrist, that he should kill infidels, but if he were so inclined after making several contacts with radical Muslims — which he did — there are plenty of justifications for killing infidels to be found in the Qu’uran.
I don’t know what you knew when you were 12, but apparently it was nothing about psychopathology, nothing about Islam, and very little about persuasive rhetoric. Apparently, you have gained no knowledge in those areas to date. I suggest you back that wiseassery up a step or two, lest you be made a fool of — a second time.