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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188955</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m no economist amigo, but it seems to me that the various justifications for stimulus spending I read at the time have more or less predicted the outcome. If for whatever reason (and I won&#039;t rule out calculated exaggeration for the sake of drumming up support) they were a mite too optimistic, that doesn&#039;t change the fact that it still looks to have been infinitely preferable to sitting on our hands. It seems to me this carping about how they said unemployment wouldn&#039;t breach ten percent is a bit like carping at the weatherman because he said it wasn&#039;t going to rain today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m no economist amigo, but it seems to me that the various justifications for stimulus spending I read at the time have more or less predicted the outcome. If for whatever reason (and I won&#8217;t rule out calculated exaggeration for the sake of drumming up support) they were a mite too optimistic, that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it still looks to have been infinitely preferable to sitting on our hands. It seems to me this carping about how they said unemployment wouldn&#8217;t breach ten percent is a bit like carping at the weatherman because he said it wasn&#8217;t going to rain today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Palin had been elected America would have been sold to China by now.

The only problem with the stimulus package was that it should have been bigger, since it created so many jobs but could have created more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Palin had been elected America would have been sold to China by now.</p>
<p>The only problem with the stimulus package was that it should have been bigger, since it created so many jobs but could have created more.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188938</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which, given the other numbers you cite, doesn&#039;t say much about Bush, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, given the other numbers you cite, doesn&#8217;t say much about Bush, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188937</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William I was referring to the question in which Obama was compared directly to Bush and the results: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;All in all&lt;/b&gt;, do you think Barack Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, or do you think Bush was a better president than Obama has been?

Obama better 57%
Bush better 34%
No difference/both the same (vol.) 6%
No opinion 2%
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William I was referring to the question in which Obama was compared directly to Bush and the results: </p>
<blockquote><p>
<b>All in all</b>, do you think Barack Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, or do you think Bush was a better president than Obama has been?</p>
<p>Obama better 57%<br />
Bush better 34%<br />
No difference/both the same (vol.) 6%<br />
No opinion 2%
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188935</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Across the board huh?

Obama&#039;s handling of the economy: 46% approve, 54% disapprove.
Obama&#039;s handling of Afghanistan: 42% approve, 56% disapprove.
Obama&#039;s handling of illegal immigration: 36% approve, 58% disapprove.
Obama&#039;s handling of the federal deficit: 39% approve, 60% disapprove.
Obama&#039;s handling of Iraq: 44% approve, 53% disapprove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Across the board huh?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s handling of the economy: 46% approve, 54% disapprove.<br />
Obama&#8217;s handling of Afghanistan: 42% approve, 56% disapprove.<br />
Obama&#8217;s handling of illegal immigration: 36% approve, 58% disapprove.<br />
Obama&#8217;s handling of the federal deficit: 39% approve, 60% disapprove.<br />
Obama&#8217;s handling of Iraq: 44% approve, 53% disapprove.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188931</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Better than the Depression&quot;? Is that like &quot;Pres Obama doesn&#039;t suck&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Better than the Depression&#8221;? Is that like &#8220;Pres Obama doesn&#8217;t suck&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188929</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m for it.

Next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m for it.</p>
<p>Next?</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188926</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global industrial production and The Messiah saving the world, Quibbie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global industrial production and The Messiah saving the world, Quibbie?</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188924</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did?

I&#039;m always the last to hear anything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always the last to hear anything!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188923</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know we&#039;re having an effect, Dennis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know we&#8217;re having an effect, Dennis.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188922</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, whatever you want to say about the US stimulus plan&#039;s impact on the turnaround, it&#039;s safe to say that the turnaround resulted from massive government spending, in general, around the world. 

It wasn&#039;t tax cuts. It wasn&#039;t sitting on our hands and letting the market correct itself. It wasn&#039;t anything that conservatives advocated and are still advocating. It was massive government stimulus spending in the major national economies around the world.  

China, for instance, pumped $586 billion into its economy beginning in November 2008. 

To say that Obama&#039;s stimulus plan didn&#039;t impact the turnaround even as the the massive stimulus spending of other governments did, is seriously stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, whatever you want to say about the US stimulus plan&#8217;s impact on the turnaround, it&#8217;s safe to say that the turnaround resulted from massive government spending, in general, around the world. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t tax cuts. It wasn&#8217;t sitting on our hands and letting the market correct itself. It wasn&#8217;t anything that conservatives advocated and are still advocating. It was massive government stimulus spending in the major national economies around the world.  </p>
<p>China, for instance, pumped $586 billion into its economy beginning in November 2008. </p>
<p>To say that Obama&#8217;s stimulus plan didn&#8217;t impact the turnaround even as the the massive stimulus spending of other governments did, is seriously stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Indeed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188920</link>
		<dc:creator>Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weasel you say? What are the &quot;tenets of the Laffer Curve?&quot; What are &quot;several&quot; of same? If you&#039;re not sure, perhaps you could consult Professor Krugman. Thanks in advance for not weaseling out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weasel you say? What are the &#8220;tenets of the Laffer Curve?&#8221; What are &#8220;several&#8221; of same? If you&#8217;re not sure, perhaps you could consult Professor Krugman. Thanks in advance for not weaseling out!</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188918</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford sales up 3%, Obama&#039;s Chrysler down 30%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford sales up 3%, Obama&#8217;s Chrysler down 30%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing, fafaroo, 

You portray yourself as a very studious and deep thinker, but you weasel out on every argument.  I never criticized Krugman for anything on that graph, I just said he didn&#039;t draw any conclusions either way about what impact Obama&#039;s economic policies had on global industrial production, as Oliver&#039;s blog post claimed.  I didn&#039;t even criticize Oliver for saying what he said, just that Krugman didn&#039;t make that contention.  The comment I highligted from Krugman&#039;s blog post made that same point, that the turn in global I-P started 8-9 months ago, before the stimulus or any of Obama&#039;s policies had any effect (save for preventing the banks from failing, if you want to give him credit for that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing, fafaroo, </p>
<p>You portray yourself as a very studious and deep thinker, but you weasel out on every argument.  I never criticized Krugman for anything on that graph, I just said he didn&#8217;t draw any conclusions either way about what impact Obama&#8217;s economic policies had on global industrial production, as Oliver&#8217;s blog post claimed.  I didn&#8217;t even criticize Oliver for saying what he said, just that Krugman didn&#8217;t make that contention.  The comment I highligted from Krugman&#8217;s blog post made that same point, that the turn in global I-P started 8-9 months ago, before the stimulus or any of Obama&#8217;s policies had any effect (save for preventing the banks from failing, if you want to give him credit for that).</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188913</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker got a Nobel Prize the other day in a box of Cracker Jacks.  The luster of that particular resume line has, shall we say, faded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker got a Nobel Prize the other day in a box of Cracker Jacks.  The luster of that particular resume line has, shall we say, faded.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188911</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The graph doesn&#039;t give enough information for anyone to use it to either support or bash Obama&#039;s stimulus package, so neither Oliver nor the commenter you highlighted, and by extension you yourself, are accurately reading the graph. 

I&#039;m interested in the economic policies of countries like India and China noted by the other comment. If, as the commenter says, India and China took far more aggressive approaches to government spending than the US did in response to the crisis, that doesn&#039;t really say much for the conservative line on the stimulus package. 

Overall though, the graph suggests we have dodged a bullet at the same time governments around the world started spending more money, not cutting taxes or doing nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graph doesn&#8217;t give enough information for anyone to use it to either support or bash Obama&#8217;s stimulus package, so neither Oliver nor the commenter you highlighted, and by extension you yourself, are accurately reading the graph. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the economic policies of countries like India and China noted by the other comment. If, as the commenter says, India and China took far more aggressive approaches to government spending than the US did in response to the crisis, that doesn&#8217;t really say much for the conservative line on the stimulus package. </p>
<p>Overall though, the graph suggests we have dodged a bullet at the same time governments around the world started spending more money, not cutting taxes or doing nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/03/bullet-dodging/#comment-188909</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Indeed, it would be to my amusement that tenured Ivy League professor and Nobel Prize winner would claim that his policies sparked a worldwide recovery from an economic death spiral.  Since neither he nor Krugman has made that claim, though, your post makes no sense.

Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Indeed, it would be to my amusement that tenured Ivy League professor and Nobel Prize winner would claim that his policies sparked a worldwide recovery from an economic death spiral.  Since neither he nor Krugman has made that claim, though, your post makes no sense.</p>
<p>Imagine that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you even read the commentary to the blog post, fafaroo, Mr. Deep Thinker?

Here, I&#039;ll reprint it for you:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Via Paul Krugman comes this graphic illustrating via global industrial production &lt;b&gt;how the policies of Obama are pulling us out of the economic death spiral that started on Bush’s watch.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bold is mine, fafaroo, to emphasize what you in your haste to satisfy your transferred obsession, obviously missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you even read the commentary to the blog post, fafaroo, Mr. Deep Thinker?</p>
<p>Here, I&#8217;ll reprint it for you:</p>
<blockquote><p>Via Paul Krugman comes this graphic illustrating via global industrial production <b>how the policies of Obama are pulling us out of the economic death spiral that started on Bush’s watch.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Bold is mine, fafaroo, to emphasize what you in your haste to satisfy your transferred obsession, obviously missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Indeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous Blog Troll or tenured Ivy League professor and Nobel Prize winner? Tough call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Blog Troll or tenured Ivy League professor and Nobel Prize winner? Tough call.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a better president than Bush, Dennis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a better president than Bush, Dennis?</p>
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