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		<title>By: canadian bacon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188914</link>
		<dc:creator>canadian bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The south keeps trying:

&quot;I wish they&#039;d just leave me alone &#039;cause I&#039;m doing alright
You can take your change on down the road and leave me here with mine &quot;

The South&#039;s new anthem by a redneck southern band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The south keeps trying:</p>
<p>&#8220;I wish they&#8217;d just leave me alone &#8217;cause I&#8217;m doing alright<br />
You can take your change on down the road and leave me here with mine &#8221;</p>
<p>The South&#8217;s new anthem by a redneck southern band.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188903</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn’t necessary to add in unpopularity ‘in the South’ since that’s what I was talking about.&lt;/i&gt;

Dennis, what you wrote was not an accurate reflection of Oliver&#039;s statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn’t necessary to add in unpopularity ‘in the South’ since that’s what I was talking about.</i></p>
<p>Dennis, what you wrote was not an accurate reflection of Oliver&#8217;s statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188872</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t seen it?

Google &quot;Treason in Defense of Slavery Yankee.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen it?</p>
<p>Google &#8220;Treason in Defense of Slavery Yankee.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188871</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Funny, not a word about racism. And in a non-traitor state, too.&lt;/em&gt;

First American History and now math?  Can you tell the difference between 62 percent and 26 percent and explain to yourself how either one differs from 100 percent? Dennis, did you even &lt;em&gt;go&lt;/em&gt; to high school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Funny, not a word about racism. And in a non-traitor state, too.</em></p>
<p>First American History and now math?  Can you tell the difference between 62 percent and 26 percent and explain to yourself how either one differs from 100 percent? Dennis, did you even <em>go</em> to high school?</p>
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		<title>By: Indeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and gentlemen: Your modern Republican party. Keepin&#039; it classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and gentlemen: Your modern Republican party. Keepin&#8217; it classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188848</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuesday tells the story, look for an uptick in racism.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuesday tells the story, look for an uptick in racism.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Ol'Froth</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ol'Froth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, yes.  Quite a few of us who consider ourselves liberals and progressives are upset that &lt;i&gt;Obama isn&#039;t doing enough&lt;/i&gt; to rollback the Republicans disasterous policies.  Doesn&#039;t mean many of us will be voting for a conservative anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, yes.  Quite a few of us who consider ourselves liberals and progressives are upset that <i>Obama isn&#8217;t doing enough</i> to rollback the Republicans disasterous policies.  Doesn&#8217;t mean many of us will be voting for a conservative anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/politics/03year.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In Iowa, Second Thoughts on Obama &lt;/a&gt;
--New York Times

&lt;blockquote&gt;WILLIAMSBURG, Iowa — Pauline McAreavy voted for President Obama. From the moment she first saw him two years ago, she was smitten by his speeches and sold on his promise of change. She switched parties to support him in the Iowa caucuses, donated money and opened her home to a pair of young campaign workers.

But by the time she received a fund-raising letter last month from the Democratic National Committee, a sense of disappointment had set in. She returned the solicitation with a handwritten note, saying, “Until I see some progress and he lives up to his promises in Iowa, we will not give one penny.”

“I’m afraid I wasn’t realistic,” Ms. McAreavy, 76, a retired school nurse, said on a recent morning on the deck of her home here in east-central Iowa.

“I really thought there would be immediate change,” she said. “Sometimes the Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. But it’s politics as usual, and that’s what I voted against.”......&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Funny, not a word about racism.  And in a non-traitor state, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/politics/03year.html" rel="nofollow">In Iowa, Second Thoughts on Obama </a><br />
&#8211;New York Times</p>
<blockquote><p>WILLIAMSBURG, Iowa — Pauline McAreavy voted for President Obama. From the moment she first saw him two years ago, she was smitten by his speeches and sold on his promise of change. She switched parties to support him in the Iowa caucuses, donated money and opened her home to a pair of young campaign workers.</p>
<p>But by the time she received a fund-raising letter last month from the Democratic National Committee, a sense of disappointment had set in. She returned the solicitation with a handwritten note, saying, “Until I see some progress and he lives up to his promises in Iowa, we will not give one penny.”</p>
<p>“I’m afraid I wasn’t realistic,” Ms. McAreavy, 76, a retired school nurse, said on a recent morning on the deck of her home here in east-central Iowa.</p>
<p>“I really thought there would be immediate change,” she said. “Sometimes the Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. But it’s politics as usual, and that’s what I voted against.”&#8230;&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny, not a word about racism.  And in a non-traitor state, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just not a term I see anywhere, Quibs.  Not from southerners; and not from yankees, either.  I live in the south but most of the people in my area are transplants from northern states.  No one uses that term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just not a term I see anywhere, Quibs.  Not from southerners; and not from yankees, either.  I live in the south but most of the people in my area are transplants from northern states.  No one uses that term.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I don’t know and I don’t care how tough you are or how tough you think you are, Pollack. I just don’t get the macho thing you have about having your real name as your identifier, especially since it links to your profession for free advertising.&lt;/i&gt;

You should try asking Frank about that. Apparently, using a screen name is for cowards and the paranoid.

&lt;i&gt;Non-traitor states, Quibs??? How are those traitor states traitors?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, their elected officials support rhetoric about coups. Oh, and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I don’t know and I don’t care how tough you are or how tough you think you are, Pollack. I just don’t get the macho thing you have about having your real name as your identifier, especially since it links to your profession for free advertising.</i></p>
<p>You should try asking Frank about that. Apparently, using a screen name is for cowards and the paranoid.</p>
<p><i>Non-traitor states, Quibs??? How are those traitor states traitors?</i></p>
<p>Well, their elected officials support rhetoric about coups. Oh, and <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fafaroo, you truncated my sentence.  I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn&#039;t necessary to add in unpopularity &#039;in the South&#039; since that&#039;s what I was talking about.  I didn&#039;t misquote him.  

So now what, are you agreeing with Oliver here that racism in the South is to blame for Obama&#039;s lower overall favorability, or are you just pikcing nits about a reply to someone else that you didn&#039;t think was quoted accurately?  Do you think a sudden spike in racism explains an 18 point gap in the Republican over the Democrat that Obama campaigned for?

I&#039;d really like to know what a deep thinker like you thinks about racism.  Someone who carefully analyzes an issue and makes objective viewpoints that by coincidence just happens to always favor the liberal viewpoint.  

Seriously, enlighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fafaroo, you truncated my sentence.  I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn&#8217;t necessary to add in unpopularity &#8216;in the South&#8217; since that&#8217;s what I was talking about.  I didn&#8217;t misquote him.  </p>
<p>So now what, are you agreeing with Oliver here that racism in the South is to blame for Obama&#8217;s lower overall favorability, or are you just pikcing nits about a reply to someone else that you didn&#8217;t think was quoted accurately?  Do you think a sudden spike in racism explains an 18 point gap in the Republican over the Democrat that Obama campaigned for?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to know what a deep thinker like you thinks about racism.  Someone who carefully analyzes an issue and makes objective viewpoints that by coincidence just happens to always favor the liberal viewpoint.  </p>
<p>Seriously, enlighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’ve lived in a ‘traitor state’ now for 16 years, and I’ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone,&lt;/em&gt;

And I was born and raised there. Here&#039;s what you should make of the fact that no one there refers to the Confederacy as traitorous: They still believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I’ve lived in a ‘traitor state’ now for 16 years, and I’ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone,</em></p>
<p>And I was born and raised there. Here&#8217;s what you should make of the fact that no one there refers to the Confederacy as traitorous: They still believe.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Your logic is confusing.&lt;/i&gt;

Just pointing out your inability to quote Oliver correctly, Dennis. 

You clearly have to work on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Your logic is confusing.</i></p>
<p>Just pointing out your inability to quote Oliver correctly, Dennis. </p>
<p>You clearly have to work on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Quibs.  Funny thing, though; I&#039;ve lived in a &#039;traitor state&#039; now for 16 years, and I&#039;ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone, resident or non-resident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Quibs.  Funny thing, though; I&#8217;ve lived in a &#8216;traitor state&#8217; now for 16 years, and I&#8217;ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone, resident or non-resident.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia is the South, Deep Thinker fafaroo.

And the latest poll has McDonnell up 58-40.

So a Southern state that voted for Obama in the general election just decided to go back to being racist all of a sudden that, if that wide of a margin holds anywhere close to that, is that what you&#039;re saying?  

Your logic is confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia is the South, Deep Thinker fafaroo.</p>
<p>And the latest poll has McDonnell up 58-40.</p>
<p>So a Southern state that voted for Obama in the general election just decided to go back to being racist all of a sudden that, if that wide of a margin holds anywhere close to that, is that what you&#8217;re saying?  </p>
<p>Your logic is confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that didn&#039;t have anything to do with race:

&quot;In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color--a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.&quot; 

DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that didn&#8217;t have anything to do with race:</p>
<p>&#8220;In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color&#8211;a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.&#8221; </p>
<p>DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861<br />
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And while Oliver equates Obama’s unpopularity to racism,&lt;/i&gt;

Unpopularity &lt;i&gt;in the South&lt;/i&gt;, Dennis. Oliver suggested Obama&#039;s unpopularity &lt;i&gt;in the South&lt;/i&gt; had something to do racism. 

Although we know you have trouble quoting people accurately, if you&#039;re going to dispute a point made here, Dennis, you should at least try to get the point straight in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And while Oliver equates Obama’s unpopularity to racism,</i></p>
<p>Unpopularity <i>in the South</i>, Dennis. Oliver suggested Obama&#8217;s unpopularity <i>in the South</i> had something to do racism. </p>
<p>Although we know you have trouble quoting people accurately, if you&#8217;re going to dispute a point made here, Dennis, you should at least try to get the point straight in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How are those traitor states traitors?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sorry. My fault. I was under the impression you had completed high school American History successfully.

You see, some years back, a group of states actually tried to break away from the United States of America. They even raised an army and sought foreign allies in a war against the USA.

If you&#039;re interested in finding out more, I&#039;m happy to recommend some books at an appropriate reading level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How are those traitor states traitors?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry. My fault. I was under the impression you had completed high school American History successfully.</p>
<p>You see, some years back, a group of states actually tried to break away from the United States of America. They even raised an army and sought foreign allies in a war against the USA.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in finding out more, I&#8217;m happy to recommend some books at an appropriate reading level.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Big win in Virginia by a guy that no one is particularly excited about and a potential win in a blue state by another guy no one is all that crazy for, either would be a referendum on Obama, yes.&lt;/em&gt;

Because those two states have absolutely no local issues and the candidates are just blank slates for voters&#039; opinions of the President?

Oh, OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Big win in Virginia by a guy that no one is particularly excited about and a potential win in a blue state by another guy no one is all that crazy for, either would be a referendum on Obama, yes.</em></p>
<p>Because those two states have absolutely no local issues and the candidates are just blank slates for voters&#8217; opinions of the President?</p>
<p>Oh, OK.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/02/getting-rid-of-jim-crow-was-just-radical-change/#comment-188709</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your argument here is that Obama went from stratospherically high and impossible to sustain approval numbers to normal in 10 months and so Obama = Fail. Is that it? What a great point. 

But where was Bush at 10 months after his 9-11 influenced stratospherically high approval numbers? According to the link provided, about right back where he started, followed by a long slow slump to historic lows with the occasional war-related juice along the way down.  

It&#039;s interesting that Obama started out stratospherically high where as for Bush it took a national disaster for him to get there. Although I suppose that one could say that Obama himself benefited early on from a national disaster: the Bush presidency itself. 

So once again Denis, you&#039;ve come here with a bright shiny talking point that you haven&#039;t put two seconds of thought into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your argument here is that Obama went from stratospherically high and impossible to sustain approval numbers to normal in 10 months and so Obama = Fail. Is that it? What a great point. </p>
<p>But where was Bush at 10 months after his 9-11 influenced stratospherically high approval numbers? According to the link provided, about right back where he started, followed by a long slow slump to historic lows with the occasional war-related juice along the way down.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Obama started out stratospherically high where as for Bush it took a national disaster for him to get there. Although I suppose that one could say that Obama himself benefited early on from a national disaster: the Bush presidency itself. </p>
<p>So once again Denis, you&#8217;ve come here with a bright shiny talking point that you haven&#8217;t put two seconds of thought into.</p>
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