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President Obama is overwhelmingly popular in every region of the country except for the south. I am surely this is all entirely due to his economic policies and his radical social agenda and not any other thing at all, certainly not the color of his skin no way sir.
If Oliver’s logic is correct, that must mean Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are black too.
Nah, just too chummy with us.
Oh my.
The day before a likely opening of a can of whoop-ass on the Demcratic Party and the negative implications of a referendum on President Obama, and the Kos Kids do a little pre-emptive breaking out of the race card.
“Look what we’ve got in our hands, guys!”
Who could’ve predicted?
Yes, Research 2000 told those people how to answer the poll. Jeez.
Excuse me? A referendum on Obama?
Tell me, when was the last time any Democrat won NY-23? If I have my history right, voters went to the polls on horseback last time that happened.
Big win in Virginia by a guy that no one is particularly excited about and a potential win in a blue state by another guy no one is all that crazy for, either would be a referendum on Obama, yes. If this country was still behind all the things Obama said he was going to change, why doesn’t that sentiment still hold in those two states’ governors races?
Big win in Virginia by a guy that no one is particularly excited about and a potential win in a blue state by another guy no one is all that crazy for, either would be a referendum on Obama, yes.
Because those two states have absolutely no local issues and the candidates are just blank slates for voters’ opinions of the President?
Oh, OK.
Down 33 points in net approval since January, the Kos Kids say it’s because we’ve all gone back to being racists again.
Unbelievable.
I don’t think anyone on the progressive side cares WHY the GOP has dropped below bubonic plague in popularity. We’re just enjoying the show.
Wait, are you gonna pretend anyone thought Obama would stay in the 70-80 range? Please.
You’re not going to pretend you’re not surprised Obama would go sub-Bush approval ratings on us at this point in his presidency, are you, Oliver?
Sub-Bush? He’s nowhere near 20%, bub. I said back in January that I think Obama would settle in the 55% range. If you take out those ridiculous Rasmussen polls, he’s just a little under that.
sub-Bush approval ratings on us at this point in his presidency
At “this point in his presidency” Bush was dealing with the several thousand Americans that were murdered because he couldn’t be bothered to read a memo and hadn’t sent a few thousand more to go off and die for no reason yet.
Man, I’m really upset Obama didn’t repeat that wild success.
Bush wasn’t anywhere near 20% in Nov. 2000. He was higher than Bambi.
Obama’s fall in approval is almost unprecedented, and it’s not because anyone’s racist.
November 2000? You mean November 2001, idiot. You know, when Bush’s numbers were artificially inflated after he failed to protect us from terrorists. I’m glad to see how happy you are that Bush was so popular after a few thousand people were killed on his watch.
If they blamed him for a few thousand people being killed on his watch, you’d think his approval ratings would’ve plummeted, Pollack.
Taking out the spike he got from that event, Obama is still lower than where he was.
And the conclusion is that after a momentary lapse, we’re a racist country again.
And the timing of this revelation is just before an election day. How quaint. And how so like last year, too.
Do a comic strip on perception of America’s regression back to the days of Jim Crow, Pollack. I imagine it’d be a hoot. Ted Rall would love it, I’m sure.
Mmmm, there’s that flailing of yours I love, Dennics.
Hey, remember when Bush’s approval was totally higher than Obama’s “at this point in his presidency” and it totally stayed that way because there was nothing affecting it in an extraordinary way?
Hey, me and everyone else who isn’t a fucking idiot neither.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Looks like Gallup had Bush at 58% just before 9/11, Pollack. Last poll for Obama by Gallup was 54%.
How could a guy who was not even elected, but selected, have a higher approval rating than Barack Obama at this point in his presidency. Gosh, and Dims have commanding control of the House and Senate, too. And incompetent Republicans being led by a talk radio clown and an airhead ex-governor from Alaska.
Doesn’t make sense. The only way it makes sense is if we’re all racists again, right?
Pollack, you guys keep hitching your horses to the Kos loons.
“How could a guy who was not even elected, but selected, have a higher approval rating than Barack Obama at this point in his presidency.”
Well gosh Dennics, I guess I’d have to say Bush had some help from that half-decade of economic growth and prosperity thanks to the Democratic president that came before him. Hey, how could a guy who you thought murdered Vince Foster in between getting blowjobs from interns leave office with a higher approval rating than Bush did? I know it upsets you so how well Obama’s doing despite the mess Bush left him…
On the contrary, Bush was going through a recession then, Pollack. Tech stocks that had buoyed Clinton’s popularity in part had bust and had not started coming back at that point. So no, he didn’t have any help from what happened in the decade prior as it applied to his poll numbers being higher than Obama’s now.
Stupid comment by you.
August, I can’t believe you let this hanging curve float by you all the way to the catcher’s mitt.
George W. Bush had stratospheric approval ratings at this time in his presidency because 9/11 had just happened, and Democrats were willing to put aside their differences to rally around the nation’s leadership. Bush’s popularity at that moment was completely attributable to the crisis itself, and completely unrelated to any qualities that Bush possessed. As was amply, repeatedly borne out by Bush’s chronic incompetence and resultant pariah status by the time he left office.
And one might well ask: if a Democrat were president when 9/11 happened, what exactly are the odds that conservatives would have put aside their differences and rallied around the nation’s leadership? I’ll leave that as an exercise for the reader, but leave the keywords “impeachment” and “insurrection” as blues.
and as clues!
kth,
We already addressed that. Look at the link Pollack provided to see where Bush’s numbers were before 9/11. Still higher than President “Creigh Deeds? Not my problem” for the same time period.
“you guys keep hitching your horses to the Kos loons”
Yeah, the outcome last November was just awful for us. Man, you got hysterical real quick, even for you.
One of these days you’ll have to realize you can’t live in the past, Pollack. George Bush isn’t president, anymore. Obama told us last spring the buck stops at his desk.
It’s like you wish he had never said it. It’s like you wish he had said it’s all still Bush’s fault and this country is still 51% racist despite their having voted for him.
Why can’t the Kos miracle kids get his approval ratings up, now?
One of these days you’ll have to realize you can’t live in the past, Pollack. George Bush isn’t president, anymore.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for deciding that after mentioning Bush repeatedly and getting and getting humiliated on it each time. You’re hilarious.
You’re the one who brought up last year’s election, Pollack. You have a habit of arguing like Zython in that you bring up tangential and irrelevant anecdotes and inaccurate information and then declare that you ‘humiliated’ the other person.
That probably works in comics, I know, but not all that great a way to debate in the real world.
Haha, Dennics thinking that trolling a message board with a hidden name is “the real world” certainly says a lot about his mental state.
You wanted to compare Bush’s approval to Obama’s, so we did, Dennics. So sorry that the “real world” shamed you again.
And Bush’s approval numbers are ahead of Obama’s at the same stage of each’s presidency, Pollack. This despite Obama being a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Imagine that.
And why do you pretend that your blog-whoring is somehow a macho thing? Most blog sites don’t even allow it.
“And why do you pretend that your blog-whoring is somehow a macho thing?”
Well I’m certainly sad to hear the irrelevant blog troll thinks I’m not much of a tough guy. Man, we’ve really got you worked up today haven’t we?
I don’t know and I don’t care how tough you are or how tough you think you are, Pollack. I just don’t get the macho thing you have about having your real name as your identifier, especially since it links to your profession for free advertising.
You want to hang a shingle here, far be it from me to complain, but good lord, enough with the bad-ass crap about it, already.
Haha, I like how pissed this seems to get you. But I really don’t get a lot of links just because I’m brave enough to sign my own name when making personal remarks to people. I just enjoy the idea that at least when Oliver’s site is down, I still exist.
when the fuck is dennis going to get his own blog we can troll?
Dennis, at this same stage in the Bush presidency, GWB’s approval numbers were high because of 9/11.
Derek,
I know that.
This is Pollack’s link. Here.
According to Gallup, Bush was at 58% pre-9/11. Gallup has Obama at 54% I believe as of right now.
So your argument here is that Obama went from stratospherically high and impossible to sustain approval numbers to normal in 10 months and so Obama = Fail. Is that it? What a great point.
But where was Bush at 10 months after his 9-11 influenced stratospherically high approval numbers? According to the link provided, about right back where he started, followed by a long slow slump to historic lows with the occasional war-related juice along the way down.
It’s interesting that Obama started out stratospherically high where as for Bush it took a national disaster for him to get there. Although I suppose that one could say that Obama himself benefited early on from a national disaster: the Bush presidency itself.
So once again Denis, you’ve come here with a bright shiny talking point that you haven’t put two seconds of thought into.
Obama has a favorability rating of 60+ in the non-traitor states. His rating is comparable to “Congressional Republicans” in FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR, and TX.
Somehow, Dennis makes this out to be good news for the GOP.
There’s a straw, Dennis. Grab it!
Southern whites think they’d all be multi-millionaires if there weren’t so many blacks and latinos around
Non-traitor states, Quibs??? How are those traitor states traitors?
And while Oliver equates Obama’s unpopularity to racism, your point about his approval being the same as congressional Republicans in the so-called traitor states would seem to refute that.
I guess you’re saying that if we took out the traitor states, Obama is a pretty popular guy, right? Those states shouldn’t be counted in the polling?
How are those traitor states traitors?
I’m sorry. My fault. I was under the impression you had completed high school American History successfully.
You see, some years back, a group of states actually tried to break away from the United States of America. They even raised an army and sought foreign allies in a war against the USA.
If you’re interested in finding out more, I’m happy to recommend some books at an appropriate reading level.
But that didn’t have anything to do with race:
“In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color–a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.”
DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.
Ok, Quibs. Funny thing, though; I’ve lived in a ‘traitor state’ now for 16 years, and I’ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone, resident or non-resident.
I’ve lived in a ‘traitor state’ now for 16 years, and I’ve never heard it referred to as one by anyone,
And I was born and raised there. Here’s what you should make of the fact that no one there refers to the Confederacy as traitorous: They still believe.
It’s just not a term I see anywhere, Quibs. Not from southerners; and not from yankees, either. I live in the south but most of the people in my area are transplants from northern states. No one uses that term.
Haven’t seen it?
Google “Treason in Defense of Slavery Yankee.”
And while Oliver equates Obama’s unpopularity to racism,
Unpopularity in the South, Dennis. Oliver suggested Obama’s unpopularity in the South had something to do racism.
Although we know you have trouble quoting people accurately, if you’re going to dispute a point made here, Dennis, you should at least try to get the point straight in the first place.
Virginia is the South, Deep Thinker fafaroo.
And the latest poll has McDonnell up 58-40.
So a Southern state that voted for Obama in the general election just decided to go back to being racist all of a sudden that, if that wide of a margin holds anywhere close to that, is that what you’re saying?
Your logic is confusing.
Your logic is confusing.
Just pointing out your inability to quote Oliver correctly, Dennis.
You clearly have to work on that.
fafaroo, you truncated my sentence. I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn’t necessary to add in unpopularity ‘in the South’ since that’s what I was talking about. I didn’t misquote him.
So now what, are you agreeing with Oliver here that racism in the South is to blame for Obama’s lower overall favorability, or are you just pikcing nits about a reply to someone else that you didn’t think was quoted accurately? Do you think a sudden spike in racism explains an 18 point gap in the Republican over the Democrat that Obama campaigned for?
I’d really like to know what a deep thinker like you thinks about racism. Someone who carefully analyzes an issue and makes objective viewpoints that by coincidence just happens to always favor the liberal viewpoint.
Seriously, enlighten me.
I was replying to Quibs who had just made a point about specific Southern states, so it wasn’t necessary to add in unpopularity ‘in the South’ since that’s what I was talking about.
Dennis, what you wrote was not an accurate reflection of Oliver’s statement.
I don’t know and I don’t care how tough you are or how tough you think you are, Pollack. I just don’t get the macho thing you have about having your real name as your identifier, especially since it links to your profession for free advertising.
You should try asking Frank about that. Apparently, using a screen name is for cowards and the paranoid.
Non-traitor states, Quibs??? How are those traitor states traitors?
Well, their elected officials support rhetoric about coups. Oh, and this.
Hmmmm.
In Iowa, Second Thoughts on Obama
–New York Times
Funny, not a word about racism. And in a non-traitor state, too.
Funny, not a word about racism. And in a non-traitor state, too.
First American History and now math? Can you tell the difference between 62 percent and 26 percent and explain to yourself how either one differs from 100 percent? Dennis, did you even go to high school?
Um, yes. Quite a few of us who consider ourselves liberals and progressives are upset that Obama isn’t doing enough to rollback the Republicans disasterous policies. Doesn’t mean many of us will be voting for a conservative anytime soon.
Tuesday tells the story, look for an uptick in racism. LOL
Ladies and gentlemen: Your modern Republican party. Keepin’ it classy.
The south keeps trying:
“I wish they’d just leave me alone ’cause I’m doing alright
You can take your change on down the road and leave me here with mine ”
The South’s new anthem by a redneck southern band.