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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188434</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because our economy was doing so darn good under George W. Bush.

You people are pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because our economy was doing so darn good under George W. Bush.</p>
<p>You people are pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188332</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why is it no can refute the points william is making? &lt;/em&gt;

Because william inhabits an alternate universe where the simplest axioms like &quot;up&quot; and &quot;down&quot; are all turned on their heads. Only one from that specific universe would hold the requisite experience to school him properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why is it no can refute the points william is making? </em></p>
<p>Because william inhabits an alternate universe where the simplest axioms like &#8220;up&#8221; and &#8220;down&#8221; are all turned on their heads. Only one from that specific universe would hold the requisite experience to school him properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188330</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farris&#039; never ending parade of spectacular link fail marches on. The article Farris links (with the words &quot;fudge the numbers&quot;) says exactly the opposite: &quot;There is no evidence...&quot;

Also Farris: How would Mr. Obama go about fudging the GDP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farris&#8217; never ending parade of spectacular link fail marches on. The article Farris links (with the words &#8220;fudge the numbers&#8221;) says exactly the opposite: &#8220;There is no evidence&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Also Farris: How would Mr. Obama go about fudging the GDP?</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188261</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just answered your own question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just answered your own question.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188259</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it no can refute the points william is making?  After all Obama&#039;s unique blend of fascism and socialism is done working it&#039;s way through our economic system everything should be just perfect.  The economy will be purring like a finely tuned engine, wages set at an  equitable level, critical decisions made by governments and unions guiding our car companies, the pace of research and developement in the medical fields rapidly increasing while a vastly more efficient health care system implements the solutions, solving matters of life and death as never before.

Our money buoyed by unprecedented levels of debt, a vigorous bulwork against inflation.  Our quality of life based on conservation and an ever increasing price of energy looking better and better.  With all these good things happening won&#039;t someone please discredit the gloom and doom that william is spreading.  Oh wait, he&#039;s telling the truth and the rest of you are bullshitting yourselves about Obama&#039;s economy.  I guess that must make it much more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it no can refute the points william is making?  After all Obama&#8217;s unique blend of fascism and socialism is done working it&#8217;s way through our economic system everything should be just perfect.  The economy will be purring like a finely tuned engine, wages set at an  equitable level, critical decisions made by governments and unions guiding our car companies, the pace of research and developement in the medical fields rapidly increasing while a vastly more efficient health care system implements the solutions, solving matters of life and death as never before.</p>
<p>Our money buoyed by unprecedented levels of debt, a vigorous bulwork against inflation.  Our quality of life based on conservation and an ever increasing price of energy looking better and better.  With all these good things happening won&#8217;t someone please discredit the gloom and doom that william is spreading.  Oh wait, he&#8217;s telling the truth and the rest of you are bullshitting yourselves about Obama&#8217;s economy.  I guess that must make it much more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188249</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Restored confidence to the markets&quot; 

To what markets and how? Bernanke and Geithner just threw billions at Wall St. to backstop their bad debts. The banksters just pocketed the money. There is no confidence in the markets anymore. 

“deficits don’t matter.”

Cheney was wrong and there is no better way to get people&#039;s attention to a crisis than having 1/2 of their wealth disappear in a few short months. 

&quot;Obama’s stimulus package created jobs.&quot;

You&#039;re really going to crow about 25,000 jobs created in the last year when the number of unemployed persons has increased by 7.6 million to 15.1 million, and the unemployment rate has doubled to 9.8 percent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Restored confidence to the markets&#8221; </p>
<p>To what markets and how? Bernanke and Geithner just threw billions at Wall St. to backstop their bad debts. The banksters just pocketed the money. There is no confidence in the markets anymore. </p>
<p>“deficits don’t matter.”</p>
<p>Cheney was wrong and there is no better way to get people&#8217;s attention to a crisis than having 1/2 of their wealth disappear in a few short months. </p>
<p>&#8220;Obama’s stimulus package created jobs.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re really going to crow about 25,000 jobs created in the last year when the number of unemployed persons has increased by 7.6 million to 15.1 million, and the unemployment rate has doubled to 9.8 percent?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188186</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restored confidence to the markets with his calm and assured manner.

Do you remember the sheer, panic-filled looks we got from Bush as the economy plummeted?  I sure do.  It was the definition of &quot;deer caught in the headlights.&quot;

And your main bro Dick Cheney once lectured us about how &quot;deficits don&#039;t matter.&quot;  Was he wrong then as we wasted billions a week in Iraq after blowing the Clinton surplus?  Really?  Well my, where were all those super-serious teabag protests then?

And even the WSJ admitted that Obama&#039;s stimulus package created jobs.  Government spending to do such during a time of high unemployment is a good investment, because people with jobs help pay down the debt.  People w/o jobs?  Not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restored confidence to the markets with his calm and assured manner.</p>
<p>Do you remember the sheer, panic-filled looks we got from Bush as the economy plummeted?  I sure do.  It was the definition of &#8220;deer caught in the headlights.&#8221;</p>
<p>And your main bro Dick Cheney once lectured us about how &#8220;deficits don&#8217;t matter.&#8221;  Was he wrong then as we wasted billions a week in Iraq after blowing the Clinton surplus?  Really?  Well my, where were all those super-serious teabag protests then?</p>
<p>And even the WSJ admitted that Obama&#8217;s stimulus package created jobs.  Government spending to do such during a time of high unemployment is a good investment, because people with jobs help pay down the debt.  People w/o jobs?  Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188164</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And as much as I think Obama has done a good job on the economy so far,&quot;

Name one thing that the president has done to improve the economic situation in this country that hasn&#039;t added to the national debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And as much as I think Obama has done a good job on the economy so far,&#8221;</p>
<p>Name one thing that the president has done to improve the economic situation in this country that hasn&#8217;t added to the national debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s clear is that the GOP totally over-played it&#039;s hand on the economy.  To criticize Obama&#039;s handling of it when memories of Bush II impotently saying &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; while Wall Street and middle America burned were still fresh in the minds of many people was a mistake.  Obama still hasn&#039;t been in office for a year, and he has three years after that.  (Effectively 2 to 2 and 1/2 in political terms for 2012.)

Let&#039;s face it: Obama&#039;s no dummie, and he knows how to pick decent people that know their shit when it comes to the economy.  Did the GOP really think that within 3 years things would still be as bad as they were at the end of Bush II?  Did they really have so little faith in the resilience of the American markets?  Did they honestly hope, along with Chairman Limbaugh, that Obama&#039;s plans to stimulate the economy would fail?

The GOP will probably realize some mild gains in 2010, but they&#039;ll get annihilated when it counts in 2012.  And as much as I think Obama has done a good job on the economy so far, even a president that did nothing would probably be looking good come 2011 (relative to the dark days of the Bush Recession, at least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s clear is that the GOP totally over-played it&#8217;s hand on the economy.  To criticize Obama&#8217;s handling of it when memories of Bush II impotently saying <i>nothing</i> while Wall Street and middle America burned were still fresh in the minds of many people was a mistake.  Obama still hasn&#8217;t been in office for a year, and he has three years after that.  (Effectively 2 to 2 and 1/2 in political terms for 2012.)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it: Obama&#8217;s no dummie, and he knows how to pick decent people that know their shit when it comes to the economy.  Did the GOP really think that within 3 years things would still be as bad as they were at the end of Bush II?  Did they really have so little faith in the resilience of the American markets?  Did they honestly hope, along with Chairman Limbaugh, that Obama&#8217;s plans to stimulate the economy would fail?</p>
<p>The GOP will probably realize some mild gains in 2010, but they&#8217;ll get annihilated when it counts in 2012.  And as much as I think Obama has done a good job on the economy so far, even a president that did nothing would probably be looking good come 2011 (relative to the dark days of the Bush Recession, at least).</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188121</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Venezuela’s GDP is also rising, it’s called inflation.&lt;/em&gt;

If you mean to say that the current rise in our own GDP is attributable to inflation, you could make your point more convincing by citing CPI data. It&#039;s readily available, sir or madam, so get to it! Chop, chop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Venezuela’s GDP is also rising, it’s called inflation.</em></p>
<p>If you mean to say that the current rise in our own GDP is attributable to inflation, you could make your point more convincing by citing CPI data. It&#8217;s readily available, sir or madam, so get to it! Chop, chop!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188106</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Which of course stemmed in large part from Democrats putting the boots to lending institutions to lower standards &lt;/em&gt;

False.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Which of course stemmed in large part from Democrats putting the boots to lending institutions to lower standards </em></p>
<p>False.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188102</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venezuela&#039;s GDP is also rising, it&#039;s called inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venezuela&#8217;s GDP is also rising, it&#8217;s called inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris K.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188085</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but it kills the whole &quot;socializm will destroy our very being&quot; argument.

The conservative/GOP&#039;s screams have been centered on the fact that Jobs weren&#039;t created the second President Obama put the ink on the bill.

Now that we are seeing signs of progress (job loss rates slowing down, Wall Street&#039;s indices slowly recovering, and now the GDP showing positive numbers) the conservatives want to look at the glass half empty all of the time.

This is slowly biting them in the a$$, one day at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but it kills the whole &#8220;socializm will destroy our very being&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>The conservative/GOP&#8217;s screams have been centered on the fact that Jobs weren&#8217;t created the second President Obama put the ink on the bill.</p>
<p>Now that we are seeing signs of progress (job loss rates slowing down, Wall Street&#8217;s indices slowly recovering, and now the GDP showing positive numbers) the conservatives want to look at the glass half empty all of the time.</p>
<p>This is slowly biting them in the a$$, one day at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Killington</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188084</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Killington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think anyone (left or right) likes the notion &lt;/blockquote&gt;If that were true, it wouldn&#039;t be happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think anyone (left or right) likes the notion </p></blockquote>
<p>If that were true, it wouldn&#8217;t be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Doughnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188080</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Doughnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bush wasn’t “doing it”, at least not to this extent. 

And even then, Conservatives WERE complaining about earmarks, Medicare D, et al. You just weren’t paying attention.&quot;

Did you (Conservatives) protest in the streets?  Did you go to town halls and yell and scream about it then?  I am just curious how YOU were complaining about it back then?  Just shaking your head &quot;no...no...&quot; or were you doing that same things YOU are doing now?  

Is there a dollar figure I should be watching for that ignites when YOU feel the need to protest in the streets?  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I am not defending an increase in our national debt.  I don&#039;t think anyone (left or right) likes the notion and I truly believe that the long term goal of this spending is to get us back to where we need to be.  Will it work, I don&#039;t know.  I am not an economist, none of us here are (if one of you is...my apologies).  I want the economy to be fixed.  You say your guys think they know how, my guys say they think they know how...one of the sides has to try something, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bush wasn’t “doing it”, at least not to this extent. </p>
<p>And even then, Conservatives WERE complaining about earmarks, Medicare D, et al. You just weren’t paying attention.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you (Conservatives) protest in the streets?  Did you go to town halls and yell and scream about it then?  I am just curious how YOU were complaining about it back then?  Just shaking your head &#8220;no&#8230;no&#8230;&#8221; or were you doing that same things YOU are doing now?  </p>
<p>Is there a dollar figure I should be watching for that ignites when YOU feel the need to protest in the streets?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am not defending an increase in our national debt.  I don&#8217;t think anyone (left or right) likes the notion and I truly believe that the long term goal of this spending is to get us back to where we need to be.  Will it work, I don&#8217;t know.  I am not an economist, none of us here are (if one of you is&#8230;my apologies).  I want the economy to be fixed.  You say your guys think they know how, my guys say they think they know how&#8230;one of the sides has to try something, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188074</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soullite:

May I suggest you read the blog more frequently. This post is an &quot;in-joke&quot; which you apparantly didn&#039;t get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soullite:</p>
<p>May I suggest you read the blog more frequently. This post is an &#8220;in-joke&#8221; which you apparantly didn&#8217;t get.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188070</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, jr.  We want the unemployment rate a lot lower; or at least back to the point at where Obama said it would go no higher if we passed the stimulus.

You can understand that, can&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, jr.  We want the unemployment rate a lot lower; or at least back to the point at where Obama said it would go no higher if we passed the stimulus.</p>
<p>You can understand that, can&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/29/gdp-up/#comment-188068</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Con commenters want the economy to fail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Con commenters want the economy to fail</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it had nothing to do with de-regulation since de-regulation does not equal people not paying their mortgages. Which of course stemmed in large part from Democrats putting the boots to lending institutions to lower standards for those applying for mortgages. 

But if you want to keep believing your fantasy, by all means, go ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it had nothing to do with de-regulation since de-regulation does not equal people not paying their mortgages. Which of course stemmed in large part from Democrats putting the boots to lending institutions to lower standards for those applying for mortgages. </p>
<p>But if you want to keep believing your fantasy, by all means, go ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: soullite</title>
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		<dc:creator>soullite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay, rich people are making money again!

 Shame about the rest of us, we aren&#039;t seeing any of that money. Are wages are still going down. Our jobs are still disapearing. So glad Goldman Sachs has gotten back to it&#039;s old ways, though. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s going to help the economy.

 OW is a fucking moron sometimes, and a clueless one at that. Cheering the economy right now just makes you look like a douchebag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, rich people are making money again!</p>
<p> Shame about the rest of us, we aren&#8217;t seeing any of that money. Are wages are still going down. Our jobs are still disapearing. So glad Goldman Sachs has gotten back to it&#8217;s old ways, though. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s going to help the economy.</p>
<p> OW is a fucking moron sometimes, and a clueless one at that. Cheering the economy right now just makes you look like a douchebag.</p>
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