Pravda, Er, Fox News Makes Up Number For Obama And Its… Bad!
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The official network of the GOP jumps on the Rasmussen gravy train of just pulling arbitrary numbers out of their rectums and assigning a ranking of some sort to President Obama that spells DOOOOOOOOM.
When the conservative movement asserted during the Bush presidency that they created their own reality, some of ‘em took that a little too seriously.
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In related news, Fox news ratings are circling the bowl this morning. I asked my wife, the guy I jog with, and my neighbor and the results are a 276 on the Fox Sux index, down a stunning 84 points since yesterday!
I don’t know, Wilbur. It’s just a hunch, but something tells me this might be something of a gimmick by Fox News- I could be wrong though. Maybe it’s just an attempt to draw attention by drawing out the left-wing blogs’ scorn and the results being to raise more curiosity from the independents and the dismayed and disenfranchised center-left audience they’ve been attracting lately.
Who knows. Like I said, just a hunch. Hard to imagine the left-wing blogs playing into that strategy, though.
Scott Rasmussen’s a total Scott Roederite. Check out his hatred of gays in the religious activities section of his wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Rasmussen
Wow, that Rassmussen sure is a bigot. Why, he’s got the exact same views on gay marriage as … Barack Obama!
Wow, that Rassmussen sure is a bigot. Why, he’s got the exact same views on
gay marriagecivil unions and anti-gay discrimination as …Barack Obama!me!Fixed it for ya.
‘It’s just a hunch, but something tells me this might be something of a gimmick by Fox News…’
Wow, a gimmick used by a legitimate news source to manipulate a reaction by those who question its credibility; surely you don’t suspect FOX of such machinations?
‘I could be wrong though’
I expect we won’t be seeing this admission from you anytime soon, facetious or not.
Why anyone would choose to champion America’s version of Pravda is bewildering.
How did you fix it, calling all toasters? How is Obama different than Rasmussen or Save Farris? If Rasmussen ‘hates gays’, why doesn’t it follow that Obama also hates gays?
If you support Obama’s Marxist impersonation of suppressing free speech and demonizing the news media, jrfunky, then you have indeed chosen to champion America’s version of Pravda. You’re in favor of Obama turning the rest of the news media outlets into becoming even more Pravda-like. How many liberals telling you this is a huge mistake on Obama’s part is it going to take to convince you otherwise; that we’re not like Canada? At least not yet.
For Christmas Dennis, I am buying you a chalkboard so you can be just like Beck.
Who’s suppresing free speech? Nobody. Demonizing the media? No, Obama is just letting it known how he feels about an outlet. Somehow I bet you thought this was okay when Bush didn’t like NBC/NYTimes stories.
If Rasmussen ‘hates gays’, why doesn’t it follow that Obama also hates gays?
If SaveFarris is a moron, why doesn’t it follow that you are also a moron?
Somehow I bet you thought this was okay when Bush didn’t like NBC/NYTimes stories.
I don’t remember members of the Bush administration going on the Sunday morning talk shows, saying that NBC and the New York Times were not legitimate news outlets, or creating controversies by not calling on them at news conferences, or by not inviting them to news briefings.
JR: Please explain to me how FOX News is America’s verison of Pravda, when they don’t support the government in power. I think your “bumper sticker du jour” is outdated.
Once again, calling all toasters reminds us of the liberals’ Victim Creation Program : If you don’t support what we advocate, that demonstrates that it’s us you hate.
Bush didn’t go on an all-out invasion like Obama’s doing it, Oliver. It’s not FOX’s free speech he’s suppressing. The Chicago Way is all about intimidation of the other outlets jealous of Fox’s wild success to think twice about trying to imitate them or do any real hard-hitting investigative analysis.
Somehow I suspect that you couldn’t actually formulate an answer to your own question, calling all toasters.
I’m guessing you’re in that 20-25 year old idealistic liberal demographic that’s attracted to this site– that’s long on the Perez Hilton insults, but woefully short on reasoning skills.
All out invasion? A few comments from two weeks ago is an all out invasion? Gimme a break. And “chicago way” politics? Someone takes Glenn Beck too seriously.
Well no, the Bush admin was too busy using the NY Times to sell the war in Iraq.
Yes, all-out invasion. Obama, his advisors, Chairwoman Dunn, Shuster-Schultz-Matthews-Olbermann-Maddow quintuple whammy, and then the journo-list alarm system to the rest of the liberal blog nation, and now the MSM echo chamber.
The liberal/progressive Blitzkrieg.
Take a look at this video by MM: Rise Of The Conservative Media. The Left and Obama have their own way of accomplishing the exact same thing, they’re just a lot more dispersed in how they accomplish it. A lot more collusion. But it’s still exactly the way Sean Connery drew it up.
As to Glenn Beck, it’s you that got me to even tune in to the guy.
Oh Dennis, that’s just sad.
The New York Times didn’t need to be sold anything. Like every other Democrat of any significance, they desperately wanted to be on what they thought was the right side of history; the cool kids, the liberals who didn’t want to look like wimps any more. And they sure didn’t need to be sold to turn from that position, either, just like the same Democrats who jumped at that opportunity, too.
I don’t remember members of the Bush administration going on the Sunday morning talk shows, saying that NBC and the New York Times were not legitimate news outlets
Maybe that’s because NBC and the New York Times are legitimate news outlets and Fox is not? Just a guess.
I can’t figure out whether right-wingers like Frank actually believe that Fox is just the right-leaning counterpart to left-leaning NBC, NYT, etc., or if they’re just saying so because they’re dishonest.
The New York Times didn’t need to be sold anything.
I never said they did. The NY Times was a willing participant in helping Bush sell the war. The so called liberal media carried the water while the rest of us knew it was a bad idea from jump street.
Maybe that’s because NBC and the New York Times are legitimate news outlets
Would those be the same “news outlets” that blew up a truck and employed Jayson Blair?
But the Times was sold a bill of goods either way (indeed, “Liberal Media” my foot!)
And some did get the question of whether or not to invade Iraq correct (more than merely me, Kruggs, and Al Gore). President Obama springs immediately to mind. He doesn’t take that stand, he’s not President today, by my reckoning.
“The rest of us” weren’t too keen on the surge.
“The rest of us” said that if the stimulus passed, Unemployment wouldn’t hit 8%.
“The rest of us” said that Obama would fight a “smarter war” in Afghanistan.
Condescension aside, it’s refreshing to at least see a discernment between a lie and a disagreement for a change. Kudos, Wilbur.
Marxist? Suppressing free speech? Demonizing the “news” media? Bringing up “Pravda”?
HILARIOUS! Tell me, Dennis, are you wearing baggy, polka-dotted pants? Because with the big red nose and the green wig, you GOTTA have the pants. It makes the whole costume!
Now go throw another pie!
Those would be the same outlets that do something objectionable every once in a while, but aren’t aren’t planned from the outset to masquerade propaganda as news. Understand the difference?
Thanks, Buzz, but either way I think it’s pretty objectionable.
Pravda was mentioned by two people before me, Mambo the Chicken. If you read the title of the blog post and what the topic was, or paid attention to any comments other than mine, you’d know that.
You’re trying too hard to best me, dude.
Just relax and be patient, the right opportunity may someday present itself.
You’re trying to force it. You weren’t the only to fall for that hoax, you know.
No, Wilbur, Fox definitely is the right-leaning counterpart to the rest of the predominately left-leaning media in all its forms. The newspapers, the magazines, Hollywood, the cable outlets, blogs dominated by the left and of course ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS.
Quoth Charles Krauthammer:
Sorry, Dennis, but there’s a substantial difference between a network that is designed to be right-leaning but masquerades as “fair and balanced”, and news sources that are designed to be fair and balanced but fall off the balance beam occasionally – sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right.
The latter are still legitimate, if fallible, news sources. The former is bullshit news.
Read this, Wilbur:
Politico: What if George Bush Had Done This?
Also: some free advice, never quote Krauthammer, it just makes you look stupid.
I don’t think so, Wilbur. He’s more than plenty smart. I’m proud to quote him any time, even on things on which I disagree with him.
And it’s condescending for you and especially Barack Obama to make the presumption that people only watch Fox News for their information and can’t discern what is opinion and what is actual news. It’d be good for the sad state of news media today if all of them were tougher on the administration in power instead of all of them but one who want to be in their good graces and one of them who opposes what he’s trying to do and being villified for it. Liberals are changing on that front, and it’s not a good thing.
that we’re not like Canada? At least not yet.
I’d rather be more like Canada than Honduras, thank you very much.
And “chicago way” politics?
Or…wait…did they have cryogenic freezing in 1925?
The New York Times didn’t need to be sold anything. Like every other Democrat of any significance, they desperately wanted to be on what they thought was the right side of history; the cool kids, the liberals who didn’t want to look like wimps any more. And they sure didn’t need to be sold to turn from that position, either, just like the same Democrats who jumped at that opportunity, too.
The moral of the story being, of course, “never give into peer pressure”.
No, Wilbur, Fox definitely is the right-leaning counterpart to the rest of the predominately left-leaning media in all its forms. The newspapers, the magazines, Hollywood, the cable outlets, blogs dominated by the left and of course ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS.
Dennis, what’s more likely? That there’s a vast conspiracy by the “liberal media” to silence right-wingers, or that your perspective of the political spectrum is skewed and/or you only hear what you want to hear? Occam’s Razor.
And it’s condescending for you and especially Barack Obama to make the presumption that people only watch Fox News for their information and can’t discern what is opinion and what is actual news
Well they aren’t exactly doing a bang-up job of proving otherwise.
A four-hour stop in New Orleans, on his way to a $3 million fundraiser.
Would’ve been alot more time than he spent there after Katrina.
Signing off on a secret deal with drug makers.
Replace “drug” with “energy” and it did happen.
Zython, you are the most bizarre dude I have ever read comments from on the internet. I don’t know what vocation you’d like to pursue after you finish college but hopefully it’s not one where it involves human interaction, because if it does, you’re going to need a full-time interpreter.
You’re funny, Dennis. Unintentionally, of course… you’re kinda like Kramer from Seinfeld. Bumping into walls, demonstrating questionable logic, displaying clownish behavior.
Again with the hoax stuff. Funny, funny stuff – you’re such a douchebag, it’s unbelievable! Kudos to you, sir, for continuing to make a mockery of yourself.
Nuh-uhh, Mambo the Chicken,
Richards is all you guys, racist tirade and all…much as you’d like to disown him. I saw him on the Seinfeld reunion thing Curb Your Enthusiasm is doing this season, and he’s terrible- a shell of his former self. He’ll never escape what he did, as he shouldn’t.
Nice try, though, hoax swallower.
Selective reading, Dennis? As the last line of your quote says, context is everything. As the story points out, Bush was already an almost universally recognized abject failure before these things became emblematic of his career. The jury on Obama, except for the die-hards on both extremes, is still out. BUT, that’s not the issue.
The issue is, even if the bias you alleged is correct, it is not a result of intentional, institutional bias on the part of news organizations like NBC, NYT, whereas nearly everything you hear on Fox is a result of a deliberate, institutional attempt to present the right-wing side of the news.
The Rasmussen gravy train of liberal hate polling has for New Jersey Governor: Christie 46%, Corzine 43%.
Survey USA has McDonnell up over Creigh Deeds by 15%.
Referendums for Change.
That’s fine, Dennis, as long as you’re aware that by doing so you won’t persuade anyone who doesn’t already share your opinion.
Off topic but the NJ race is still close (Christie was like +10 this summer) and I would still bet on Corzine to win. Deeds has run a poor campaign and will likely lose. We had the major referendum on change last November and two governor’s races in an off year won’t revoke that result.
How much difference do you think running a good campaign for Deeds would have made for him? And Christie, I don’t know, but is he running a good campaign in that heavily blue state?
And Hoffman is looking good in NY against the RINO.
I don’t know, Oliver, looking like a referendum for change from where I sit.
People did want change last year. A year later they’re asking when that train’s comin’ in to the station, because it was scheduled for a long time ago.
And Hoffman is looking good in NY against the RINO.
A conservative just barely doing ok in a +30% GOP district is a good thing?
Wait Dennis- a conservative win in a +15 R District and a GOP turnover in a purple state is “referendum for change” in a way that landslide victories in 2006 and 2008 as well as the most lopsided victory in a Presidental race in nearly a quarter century weren’t?
Zython, you are the most bizarre dude I have ever read comments from on the internet. I don’t know what vocation you’d like to pursue after you finish college but hopefully it’s not one where it involves human interaction, because if it does, you’re going to need a full-time interpreter.
Translation: “I don’t know what you’re saying, therefore, you’re wrong.”
Alright, let’s see what I can clear up.
I’d rather be more like Canada than Honduras, thank you very much.
Many ultra-cons, such as AO, have expressed the desire to emulate Honduras. I am stating that it’s a better idea to emulate a 1st world country than a 3rd world one.
Or…wait…did they have cryogenic freezing in 1925?
Ok, this one IS a tad ambiguous. Here, I’m stating that criticizing “Chicago politics” went old after the 1929 stock market crash. Apparently, you didn’t get the memo.
From here on, I’m going to assume you got lazy and/or distracted and didn’t bother reading the rest.
If you support Obama’s Marxist impersonation of suppressing free speech and demonizing the news media, jrfunky, then you have indeed chosen to champion America’s version of Pravda.’
Unbelievable; The WH, after sustaining months of unending distortions and outright fabrications being pushed by FOX, finally says flat out that the administration won’t be silent while the propaganda media wing of the GOP
attempts to add to the unquenchable thirst for slander and lies from their bottom feeder audience, and the Right wing goes apoplectic in their defense of the ridiculous notion that a ‘news’ network has every right to broadcast whatever libelous crap they want.
‘You’re in favor of Obama turning the rest of the news media outlets into becoming even more Pravda-like.’
I, like many on the Left, am in favor of news organizations operating as independent entities entrusted with providing accurate and unbiased reports of actual news, not prepackaged diatribes against an administration that is diametrically opposed to the political ideology of its corporate masters.
‘How many liberals telling you this is a huge mistake on Obama’s part is it going to take to convince you otherwise;…’
There isn’t enough Liberals on Earth to convince me that the WH speaking the truth about an openly hostile and rabidly biased media outlet is somehow damaging to the credibility of the administration, and not to FOX; why else would every Right wing supporter in the U.S. be howling about freedom of speech, after witnessing the Bush administration pay reporters and news divisions to publish positive items about their dubious sucesses? Or have planted fake journalists in their WH press briefings? Where was your outcry for the sanctity of the press on those occasions?
‘…that we’re not like Canada? At least not yet.’
Why on Earth would you want to have a functioning health care system that isn’t bankrupting the nation, or have hate crime laws that prevent the likes of FOX, Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Dobbs etc. from spreading pernicious lies that further erode the intelligence of the population, or elect leaders that don’t march off to war on the flimsiest rationales, or an economy that is regulated to ensure it’s not hijacked by unscrupulous predators and practices that could nearly destroy the global financial system?
Why the Hell would you want that?
Yeah, yeah, Dennis. I’m a “hoax swallower.” Keep pressing that. Maybe if you repeat it often enough, it will (a) be important, and (b) become true!
Clown.
‘JR: Please explain to me how FOX News is America’s verison of Pravda, when they don’t support the government in power. I think your “bumper sticker du jour” is outdated.’
It might have something to do with their assistance in organizing those ridiculous tea party shams all summer long, or their inability to hold a debate on any issue with an equal representation of both sides, or their committed refusal to see the new administration in any terms short of tyrannical, even after they sycophantically praised the Bush administration for every methodically disastrous policy error they made for 8 miserable years of failure.
‘Quoth Charles Krauthammer:’
This fool hasn’t been right about a Goddamn thing in decades.
You might as well ask the cat.
‘And it’s condescending for you and especially Barack Obama to make the presumption that people only watch Fox News for their information and can’t discern what is opinion and what is actual news.’
Your argument would only hold up if FOX had even occasionally held the Bush administration to the same standard, but they didn’t; they consistently PRAISED every policy move no matter how obvious and enduring the failure for a sustained period of 8 years.
Try as you might, you and the Right cannot erase this fact.
JR, you can’t possibly know if FOX News “consistently PRAISED every policy move no matter how obvious and enduring the failure for a sustained period of 8 years.”
Why even make such a statement. I have watched many segments of FOX News for years — Fox and friends, Neal Cavuoto, mostly, and heard the Bush administration criticized many times. I repeat – many times.
Pop Quiz, Hotshot: which news network broke the Bush DWI story 4 days before the election?
Anyone?
Jrfunky continues to compete with Zython for Most Idiotic Commentary in the ‘Young and Clueless’ demographic, Frank, and this one increases his chances.
Remember this doozy of his from the Michael Jackson thread….
junior couldn’t possibly believe that many FOX commentators were against the Dubai ports deal, against Harriet Meyers for SCOTUS, against Bush’s immigration reforms. He wouldn’t have a clue as to who said what or who was for or against what, he just makes the false assertion that FOX was for whatever GWB was for, just like he so easily stated with no caveats that “before Off the Wall, NO Black artists were played regularly on so called White radio”.
Beyond idiocy;……Willful ignorance.
It’s not FACT, jrfunky; it’s a ridiculously false assertion on your part. Since you asserted it, why don’t you attempt to back it up so we can all have some fun here on your behalf.
I think when you post stupid crap here that you forget it’s not Think Progress where you easily get away with it and you get the two places mixed up.
Frank heard it and now he repeats it. Good enough for me!
Depends, Farris. Are you counting all network affiliates as being part of the same “network” as the cable news channel?
Remember this doozy of his from the Michael Jackson thread….
I got two words for you Dennis: Death Panels.
Yeah, glad that language got taken out of the bill.
Oh, that reminds me, how about your liberal radical hero, Alan Grayson. First he tells you Republicans want you to die quickly and compares our health care system to the Holocaust, and now he’s calling female lobbyists ‘whores’.
Classy.
And of course Obama’s right there to call him an excellent Congressman.
Radicals R Us. Yes sir.
Yeah, glad that language got taken out of the bill.
What language, Dennis? The “death panel” language? Would you care to actually cite that the original language that authorized “death panels” that would determine who lived and who died? You never actually did cite that language, Dennis. Would you care to now?
Oh, that reminds me, how about your liberal radical hero, Alan Grayson.
You mean the guy you thought was a bigger liar than Sara Palin, who you all but admitted lied about the “death panel” language in the original bill?