Police believe as many as a dozen people watched a 15-year-old girl get beaten and gang-raped outside her high school homecoming dance without reporting it.
Two suspects were in custody Monday, but police said as many as five other men attacked the girl over a two-hour period Friday night outside Richmond High School.
“She was raped, beaten, robbed and dehumanized by several suspects who were obviously OK enough with it to behave that way in each other’s presence,” Lt. Mark Gagan said. “What makes it even more disturbing is the presence of others. People came by, saw what was happening and failed to report it.”
How can you watch something like that and do nothing?
one thing I noticed in the KGO article was a clear (for this Bay area resident) implication, in the one name released from the suspects. No note of who all was there, but the one name released was Latino.
Here in CA, and NorCal is not the exception liberals here would like to believe, Latinos are stigmatized just as much as Blacks and identified with the ‘criminal element’, and for having ‘no restraint’. Add to this the typical male (especially teen male) sense of entitlement as regards women, and your suspects will no doubt be singing the ‘well she was askin fer it’-song.
Those who watched as Kitty Genovese died could no doubt identify very well with these spectators/participants (if you watched, you’re part of it, and should be treated that way, IMO)
I can’t believe that people could be so indifferent to somebody in distress.
The ease with which we are willing, dare I say eager?, to bomb thousands of innocent people in far away countries is merely the same principle on a larger scale. As long as it does not concern us “who cares?”
Not exactly a new phenomenon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
MH,
You might want to read the wiki entry you linked to. The claim that people witnessed the Genovese crime and did nothing doesn’t really hold up.
“Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Most only heard portions of the incident without realizing its seriousness, a few saw only small portions of the initial assault, and no witnesses directly saw the final attack and attempted rape in an exterior hallway which resulted in Genovese’s death.[1] Additionally, after the initial attack punctured her lungs (leading to her eventual death from asphyxiation), it is unlikely that she was able to scream at any volume.[11]
“
The worst part of it was the Blackwater recruiters who handed out business cards to the spectators.
Horrific.
MH–think about this… back in Kitty Genovese’s day, people ‘didn’t want to get involved’. Today, with the CellPhone cam, people get to be ‘uninvolved spectators’ by watching the action through their screens, as opposed to observing directly–easier to dissociate onself from the horror.
I’ve seen this behaviour in Japan, and you can also see in in the anime ‘Gantz’. I would term this behaviour ‘aberrant’, except that it seems much too widespread, too common to be an abberation. Our voyeur society is sick…and I’ve not seen any good ideas yet on what to do about it…
MH and William: A further complication was her last name. Although she was not related to the mob boss with the same name, people thought she was. Many people thought there was a gangland connection to this murder, and feared retribution, if they got involved.
For more, see Thirty-Eight Witnesses, by A.M. Rosenthal
As we come to rely more and more upon government, we see ourselves as less powerful… We will become like H.G. Wells’ Eloi, in The Time Machine. The horrifying question is , “Who will be the Morlocks?”
Couldn’t these people be charge with accessory?
Only in Latham, Massachusetts.
No, CJ , you can’t charge people with “not giving a sh**” But you could figure out a way to blame this on Bush , or the Republicans.
Oh come on Frank–surely this is Obama’s fault—somehow
No, CJ , you can’t charge people with “not giving a sh**”
You can in the sate of Ohio:
http://law.justia.com/ohio/codes/orc/jd_292122-667.html
And Connecticut:
I wonder which other states have laws that criminalize failing to report a crime?
Frank, would you like to continue this research?
As we come to rely more and more upon government, we see ourselves as less powerful… We will become like H.G. Wells’ Eloi, in The Time Machine. The horrifying question is , “Who will be the Morlocks?”
Really, Frank? Failing to call 911 to report a crime in progress is a sign that were too dependent on the government?
Do you think about these things at all before you type them?
I was at least thinking you’d with legalized abortion or the pill or women in the workplace as the direct cause of this kind of apathy.
“Only in Latham, Massachusetts.”
Took me a second.
“Only in Latham, Massachusetts.”
I actually had to look it up. I’m actually glad I did because there was a link at the wikipedia entry about the Seinfeld episode to an article on “Duty to Rescue” laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
So in at least eight states, you can charge people in certain circumstances for not giving a shit.
The point being, Frank, that just because you type stuff, doesn’t make it true. So it would be helpful for all of us here, if you took a few seconds, literally, a few seconds, to google a subject before you write about it.
You are less likely to embarrass yourself that way.
How can you watch something like that and do nothing?
I live ten miles in distance and ten light years in culture from where this took place.
The Iron Triangle of Richmond is one of the scariest, most brutal places on the planet, rivaling any mean slum worldwide for poverty, drugs, crime and desperation.
Found these stats Repack:
In 2004, Richmond was statistically the second most dangerous city in California and was named the 8th most dangerous city in the country.[49] However, those rankings have changed and Richmond is now the third most dangerous in California behind Compton and Oakland and 11th most dangerous nationally according to the Morgan Quitno rankings.[50] For every 100,000 people there were 38.3 murders, 50.4 rapes, 485.8 robberies, 512 assaults, 1110.7 burglaries, 3497.4 counts of larceny and 2471.4 thefts of vehicles.[13] Richmond had 42 murders in 2006; and the city experienced a record of 62 homicides in 1991.[51]
When a city gets this dangerous we need to send in the National Guard or something. This is frickin’ America and if we can’t keep our own people safe then we have no right to spend a gazillion dollars policing and nation building in Afghanistan, etc.
I’m so fed up with the attitude of conservatives toward the poor and the inner cities. They don’t want a cent of their tax dollars spent on the poor in this country, but they can work themselves into a frenzy at the thought of invading countries full of non-Christian brown people, regardless of the cost.
a) I was referring to the concept of caring, a concept difficult to ascertain, in the best of circumstances
b) Your cites refer to “knowing that a felony has been or is being committed” and / or “the person knows or reasonably should know” — hard, if not impossible, things to prove.
c) Since I did not refer to reporting a crime, I could not have been wrong about it.
d) It is highly unlikely that, even if Virginia has such a law, that anyone will be charged with violating it.
So, am I embarrassed? Not in the least. Are you guilty of pedantry, and aggravated condescenion, in the first degree? I would say so.
Excuse me for moving Richmond to Virginia, the only one I knew about …
NOW I am embarrassed
So, am I embarrassed? Not in the least.
You never are when you’re proven factually wrong. And by the way, in California you can be charged for not reporting a crime against a child 14 years old an under. Do you know the age of the victim in this case?
http://www.dailycal.org/article/3248/law_condemns_failure_to_report_crime
The case that inspired the law was exactly like this case.
Frank, you stated quit clearly: “No, CJ , you can’t charge people with “not giving a sh**” You didn’t mention any state in particular. This is a pretty universal statement. And it’s wrong. You can charge people for not giving a shit. If they fail to report a crime that they know or should know is a crime or, in some cases, even if they fail to come to the rescue of someone.
I point this out to you because in another thread you refused to provide citations or sources for the claims you made there. You suggested that we were just supposed to trust your wisdom.
Well you got it wrong here and you got it wrong in the thread on hate crimes (you suggested that it was possible charge someone solely with a hate crime. it isn’t.)
I’ve presented a several links to several sources to prove you wrong, Frank and it took all of about 5 minutes, all told.
Would be so hard for you to do the same before you post something?
I’m sorry you don’t see a difference between “not caring” which is emotional, and “not reporting a crime”, which is a physical act. A person who doesn’t care may report a crime, because they don’t want to fall afoul of this law. A person who does care, on the other hand, might just feel they have some urgent, pressing matter, and can’t report the crime right now.
You are wasting your time trying to “prove” to me that not reporting a crime is against the law. While I appreciate the information, it doesn’t change what I said.
CJ was referring to charging one of the witnesses as an accessory, and that can’t be done , either. Go lecture him.
If you go over to that other post, you will find citations, because I have grown tired of you hectoring me.
God, you are a nag!
“A person who doesn’t care may report a crime, because they don’t want to fall afoul of this law. A person who does care, on the other hand, might just feel they have some urgent, pressing matter, and can’t report the crime right now.”
What? Frank that makes no sense at all.
I wonder if incidents like these are more prevelant in blue states or red ones?
Questions swirl!
I’m wondering why anyone would spend energy wondering about whether an outrage that is blessedly rare (not the rape, but the inaction) can somehow be used to suggest that liberals are morally bereft.
Or something.
I wonder if incidents like these are more prevelant in blue states or red ones?
I figured it was only a matter of time before one of you tools dragged out the old “my tribe/their tribe” crap.
Frank took a at it but delivered yet another confused and rambling screed, so congratulations, Amused, you take home the prize by default.
Who cares about politics??
This just makes me sick.
Amused Observer does, but that’s because he’s an awful human being.
What? Frank that makes no sense at all.
I have no idea why it doesn’t. There is a difference between caring and action — in the real world.
I understand that, for liberals, caring is action, but not in the real world.
Incidents like this reflect the values of the community. As Repack noted earlier he lives 10 miles physically and 10 light years culturally away from the cesspool where this occurred. Perhaps the ex shipyard town is culturally different but it shares a liberal political leadership. Interestingly enough whites are commonly shut out of the political leadership although every once in a while someone is liberal enough to break through the racial glass ceiling.
LOL, and then we get the self righteous fafaroo moralizing about my post;
” “my tribe/their tribe” crap.”
Curious how his attention centers on those who do not share his head in the sand ideology but mentions not a word about posts containing such relevent bombshells like:
“The worst part of it was the Blackwater recruiters who handed out business cards to the spectators”
“The ease with which we are willing, dare I say eager?, to bomb thousands of innocent people in far away countries is merely the same principle on a larger scale.”
fafaroo won’t even enter the thread until he gets a chance for an attack on Frank, at which point the topic becomes Frank, Frank, Frank.
Hypocrisy thy name is fafaroo.
And in answer to your question Repack. “I’m wondering why anyone would spend energy wondering about whether an outrage that is blessedly rare (not the rape, but the inaction) can somehow be used to suggest that liberals are morally bereft”
Wondering is a rhetorical device. It would have been much more straight forward to word it differently. Something more like You wouldn’t see something like this happen in a place with more traditional american values where the residents are more likely to have a more conservative viewpoint.
Alright, AO, so you’re saying that the high rates of divorce and single motherhood in red states is indicative of their values, too? So all this time, the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and assorted douchebag Republican politicians should have been lamenting the loss of traditional family values… in their own backyard? Good of you to admit that.
You wouldn’t see something like this happen in a place with more traditional american values where the residents are more likely to have a more conservative viewpoint.
Goddamn, you’re a disgusting human being. This isn’t a political issue, AO. This is a human issue. Fuck you.
Mambo the Chicken, you lopped of his sentence and totally distorted his implication in order to call him a disgusting human being. Dishonest and hardly ethical for a professional analyst in the hard sciences. And politicizing non-political events is you guys’ bread and butter here. Any updates on the Kentucky ‘fed’ political murder anyone has they can share with us?
Hmm… nope, I don’t think that what I copied distorted AO’s meaning at all. He’s politicizing the incident, and saying it is indicative of liberal values (or lack thereof). No, no, I didn’t distort anything by leaving off two irrelevant words. Not dishonest, not unethical. Calling you a clown is an insult to hardworking clowns everywhere. Idiot clown.
LOL, and then we get the self righteous fafaroo moralizing about my post;
Says the guy who just laid the blame for the whole incident at the feet of liberals and non-white political leaders.
In his first comment in this thread Frank tried the same thing, blaming the inaction of witnesses on their dependence on government. Which is so brilliant because 911 is a private company.
You wouldn’t see something like this happen in a place with more traditional american values where the residents are more likely to have a more conservative viewpoint.
No. There you see full group participation, whether it’s beating a gay man to death (Matthew Shepard) or dragging a black man through the streets (James Byrd). Yup. There are no crimes in red states.
And politicizing non-political events is you guys’ bread and butter here.
Dennis, how many times do you think you have to defend yourself, Frank, Amused et al by claiming “You do it too” before the light goes off in your head?
Oh no, fafaroo, much more than a ‘you guys do it too’ kind of thing. I said it’s your bread and butter. You guys thrive on it. Anything racial; Anything ‘eliminationist’- boom, you’re all over it.
Not, ‘you do it too’, but ‘it’s what you do’.
Big difference.
fafaroo won’t even enter the thread until he gets a chance for an attack on Frank, at which point the topic becomes Frank, Frank, Frank.
Well, Amused, if you’d like thread to be all about you I’m sure that can be arranged. I didn’t realize you were so attention starved. What a high maintenance troll you’ve turned into.
Big difference.
Dennis, both Frank and Amused tried to blame this incident on liberals and liberalism. Amused has gone so far as to say that you would never see something like this where white conservatives live. Note that Oliver didn’t mention politics at all in his post.
And you came here to defend Amused.
Guys like you, Amused, Frank et al live for this kind of thing.
Dennis has a track record of defending scumbags. Besides AO, see also: Limbaugh, Rush, and Bush, George W. You know, birds of a feather and all that…
All clowns, all scumbags, all idiots.
This is how you roll, Mambo the Chicken XXIII. Foul, vulgar and profane, not to mention a full-throated hoax swallower.
Face it, conservatives are
A. Smarter politically.
And
B. Nicer.
Go back to your Ed Regis books and suck on that. You epitomize all that is wrong with liberals. You not only eroneously think you’re smarter than everyone else, you assume everyone who doesn’t think like you is an idiot. And you’re foul and crude to boot.
Yes, yes, Dennis. It’s far more profane and repugnant for me to call you guys asshole scumbag dickwads than it is for your friend AO to politicize the issue with respect to the gangrape of a young girl. Right. I’m the jerk here. Not you, defending racists and idiots. Not AO, politicizing gang rape. Not Limbaugh, race-baiter extraordinaire. Not Bush, serial liar who led us into a stupid war and did SO MANY things to fuck the country.
It’s me. I’m the asshole, for calling a spade a spade.
Good point, clown.
(I see you’re still harping on the “hoax swallower” thing. Good! Keep it up, it just demonstrates what an idiotic piece of shit you are.)
For the record, I don’t think I am smarter than everyone else – but I do know that I am smarter than you. Then again, it would be hard not to be. Clown.
Ahhh, and I just read the first link you provided. I would like to point out that this ALSO demonstrates that you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed.
First off, saying that “conservatives are smarter politically.” Your link does not support that claim. I would argue that there is a substantial difference between intelligence (i.e., “smartness”) and being informed on basic questions (e.g., knowing that Israel and Iran do not share a border). These were general knowledge questions that did not get to the heart of any sort of ideological or philosophical divide. These questions had nothing to do with intelligence. Except, of course, that your submission of it demonstrates your lack thereof.
Secondly, I didn’t see where they demonstrated that there was a statistically significant difference in how the groups answered the questions. Yes, the raw scores for the questions tended to favor the right; however, the effect sizes are mostly so small as to probably be meaningless. In fact, the article mentions this very point.
Fail, fail, fail. Keep throwing those pies. Maybe spray some seltzer on someone next, that’s always good for a laugh.
A. Smarter politically.
Yes. More conservatives know who Sotomayer is. And more conservatives also know that she’s a MECHA plant waiting for her secret orders to declare “Reconquista” constitutional just after Obama turns the White House over the Osama Bin Laden.
And you Dennis, you quote Hitchens as saying:
leading you to believe that Hitchens thinks Christians are “nicer” than liberals.
But, of course, that’s not what Hitchens wrote, nor what Hitchens meant. What he wrote was:
Curious how that one little word makes all the difference in Hitchen’s meaning and yet was excised from your quote.
So Dennis, which right wing hack blog did you cut and paste that Hitchens quote from? You surely couldn’t have gotten it yourself from the Hitchens article you linked to. Or did you?
Which are you Dennis? Dupe or liar? Either way, you shouldn’t be counted among the “smart” conservatives.
I got all the questions right, fafaroo, and honestly, would you need Hitch to convince you we’re nicer than you guys are.
I got all the questions right, fafaroo, …
And yet you couldn’t accurately interpret or cut and paste a quote from an article you linked to.
Your memorization skills are indeed, excellent, Dennis. You memorize what you’re told to think and regurgitate it accurately.
However, your critical thinking skills, reading comprehension and, apparently, your motor skills, ain’t so hot.
I wonder if there’s any connection but these deficiencies and your success as a total tool?
So fafaroo beats you on the merits of the argument, and you are reduced to whining that he “isn’t nice.” Cute.
My argument was that mambo was a jackass and that he epitomizes liberal sanctimony and perceived superiority, Bruce. The smarter and nicer links were add-ons I just happened to come across just perusing the web at the end of a busy day.
Both assertions are well-documented and well-researched if you want more concrete evidence than Christopher Hitchens musings on the subject. Just say the word.
…would you need Hitch to convince you we’re nicer than you guys are.
Which is, of course, not what Hitchens wrote.
You blatantly falsified Hitchens quote and you’re still going to try and push a meaning he never intended? Really?
Yes, really. Of course he is. He’s a clown.
Both assertions are well-documented and well-researched if you want more concrete evidence than Christopher Hitchens musings on the subject. Just say the word.
Go for it, Dennis. Although, please provide links to Hitchens’ original quotes as you obviously can’t be trusted to either a) get them right, b) undertsand them or c) lie about them wholesale.
The smarter and nicer links were add-ons I just happened to come across just perusing the web at the end of a busy day.
That’s a great excuse for some piss poor, factually inaccurate snark, Dennis.
I can only note that along with Frank’s excuse that “We are posting on a blog, you pretentious windbag, not wtiting for the Policy Review” the conservative standard for what passes as a “fact” seems to be getting lower and lower.
Oh, this is just too priceless. Dennis, the tool clown that he is, pushed a false quote that supported his claims. Wow Dennis, that’s terribly dishonest of you! And hypocritical, considering that you chastise others for the same thing. Some people might call you an idiotic tooly horsefucking wanker. Not me, though – I wouldn’t dare be so profane. I would hate to offend your delicate sensibilities. As we all know, it is FAR more objectionable to call someone a name than it is assert that liberal values allow for gangrape. Clearly.
Both assertions are well-documented and well-researched if you want more concrete evidence than Christopher Hitchens musings on the subject.
Dennis, I may have misread this. Are you saying that it’s a “well-documented” and “well-researched” “fact” that conservatives are “nicer” than liberals? Really?
Please do share that valuable information with us, Dennis.
Say, there used to be a guy who hung around here hollering about dishonest quotes and misplaced punctuation and whatnot.
Whatever happened to that guy? Dennis?
Interestingly enough whites are commonly shut out of the political leadership although every once in a while someone is liberal enough to break through the racial glass ceiling.
Translation: “Those durn negros are takin’ our jerbs!”
You wouldn’t see something like this happen in a place with more traditional american values where the residents are more likely to have a more conservative viewpoint.
Well, not if you’re in America’s Rape Belt.
Nicer.
This is coming from a guy who frequently uses ad hominem attacks against me. If you really believe this, maybe you should try leading by example.
I used to live and teach/sub in the area, including at a rival high school to the one where this took place. I was mugged in broad daylight outside the Richmond BART station. My best friend’s niece was run over in the street at night and several drivers passed on by without doing anything(she died). This is of a piece with all that, sadly. It’s not about culture per se, so much as it is about what I call “entrenched dysfunction”–a lack of good role models, particularly father and mentor figures; all of the burdens that growing up in deep poverty lays on a community; a sense of aimlessness, hopelessness and lack of structure for at risk youth; a sense of the government as oppressive and/o unresponsive and a consequent unwillingness to cooperate, even when doing so generally benefits the community as a whole; apathy and moral indifference, and a diminished sense of empathy. Fixing the problem will take a level of committment that sadly doesn’t seem to exist anywhere. Our politics on both sides throws up numerous obstacles to doing what’s absolutely necessary to get it done.
I think its sad and disgusting,. God says we shouldn’t judge, but the people involve should be very afraid, of hell. As well as , as the ones that stood there and siad nothing, did nothing. All of them will stnad before god someday he will ask Why? and they won’t know what to say, nor will they be able to go back and change their actions God won’t feel sorry for them nor do i! For any girls that watched this happen, your a bitch, girls are suppose to stick togther, you shouldn’t of done something about no, but you could have called the police, annymously.
I noticed Mike in DC left out three important things in his left leaning litany of causes for crime: guilt, shame, and a sense of right and wrong.
When you can pass by a crime in progress, poverty and role models have nothing to do with it. The fact that something horrible is happening to somebody, should produce in you a feeling that something should be done. Not acting in a situation like that suggests that no one felt any guilt. The miscreants that committed the crime obviously felt no shame; why should they? No one else cared…
As for a sense of right and wrong:
1) a lack of good role models…
2) all of the burdens that growing up in deep poverty lays on a community …
3) a sense of aimlessness, hopelessness and lack of structure for at risk youth …
4) a sense of the government as oppressive and/or unresponsive and a consequent unwillingness to cooperate …
A quiver of excuses ready to fire at the public, the press, and a jury.
And you wonder why there is “apathy and moral indifference, and a diminished sense of empathy.”
I sure don’t.
Frank, explaining why something happens is NOT the same as excusing it, and criticizing that explanation is NOT the same as actually caring enough to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Throw these guys in jail and there’ll be another 10 to replace them. There used to be night security guards at that school, but thanks to budget cuts, the money wasn’t there anymore. A lot of kids either have no parents, no father figures or no parents competent to instill a sense of right and wrong in them. These kids are going to face very harsh sentences, and I’m more than fine with that. But throwing them in jail doesn’t solve any of the underlying problems. Their parents or guardians (and their neighbors and peers) have to instill a sense of right and wrong in them, and in order to do that it may be necessary to instill a sense of right and wrong in their parents, neighbors and peers–and in order to do that it may be necessary to address in toto ALL of the underlying problems that exist in poor communities. Debating right/left gets exactly jack shit done. Refusing to question ideological canards in order to do “what actually works” is one of many reasons why nothing has ever happened to bring about lasting change in communities like Richmond.
When you can pass by a crime in progress, poverty and role models have nothing to do with it … The miscreants that committed the crime obviously felt no shame; why should they? No one else cared…“
I noticed Frank Disalle left out three important things in his right leaning litany of causes for crime: consistency, coherence and reason.
Frank, with every comment you seem to be functioning more and more on autopilot. Your post above comes crammed with every conservative bromide beaten into you by the nuns which you now seem unable to keep from regurgitating in a completely random, self-contradictory fashion.
fafaroo, you have used many words to say very little. What your comment amnounts to is, “I hereby insult you.”
There was no contradiction, you pusillanimous oaf.
Try the sentences again without the bolding: When you, as a bystander, can pass by a crime in progress, poverty and role models have nothing to do with the simple act of reporting it to someone else.
The OTHER sentence, separate and apart from that one, says that the The miscreants that committed the crime obviously felt no shame (shame meaning the sting of the disaapproval of others); why should they? No one else cared [enough to suggest they stop, call the police, or even say they were going to call the police]
Whoever said you simply wait for me to comment so you can say something negative about it was right. No wonder you have that name — your comments stink like rotting fish.
LOL,
I wan certainly not the first to politicize this thread.
Mambo,
A bit of a difference between divorce, bastardry, and gang rape don’t you know. In some communities not only is this type of thing extremely rare but members of the community would be much more prone to stop the assault sometimes quite abruptly and with a good chance of violence. While no one can really condone taking the law into one’s own hands it does make for a more peaceful community in cases like this.
fafaroo,
“There you see full group participation, whether it’s beating a gay man to death (Matthew Shepard) or dragging a black man through the streets (James Byrd). Yup.”
you may not have noticed in the Shepard case how they were all alone out in the sticks, nobody was around, it was late at night after the bars had closed. Byrd was also attacked while was alone, they didn’t drag him through rush hour traffic.
Zython,
“Translation: “Those durn negros are takin’ our jerbs!”
The leadership of a community is a choice and a reflection of the community. Richmond is an ex blue collar shipyard town that is now predominately liberal. So liberal that the elected counterparts to the Democrat politicians who are heavily black are not Republicans but belong to the Green party. The skilled craftsman all left town when the yards shutdown. The folks that are left vote strongly for liberals no doubt in spite of the liberal tendency towards socialism and a bigger welfare state.
you may not have noticed …that both of them were killed by two and three people, respectively. All of them from the great land of traditional values where you claim this kind of thing could never happen.
fafaroo,
As usual you have mischaractorized my position, but nothing less is to expected from you.
“where you claim this kind of thing could never happen.”
Not that it could never happen but that it is more likely that someone would put a stop to it rather than capture the moment on their phone cam.
Perhaps I misunderstood your reference to group. Gang rape with numerous spectators documenting and perhaps participating vs more than one criminal operating in secret without witnesses.
The miscreants that committed the crime obviously felt no shame (shame meaning the sting of the disaapproval of others);
The disapproval of others? You mean like a role model?
Moron.
LOL,
Yes Frank, moron. After all it’s fermented fish, not rotten. Smells the same though.
Yes Frank, moron. After all it’s fermented fish, not rotten.
And it’s spelled different. So you’ve got absolutely nothing right. As usual.
And Amused, I mischaracterized your position? Really? You wrote:
Wouldn’t see. That’s what you wrote. That’s different than “Not that it could never happen …”
You can’t even cite yourself correctly. How stupid is that?
I thought by now fafaroo would have learned the difference between perpetrators and witnesses, but apparently he has not. Your once masterful research skills have failed you.
Your Google Fu is weak, while my Bing Fu is strong.
“How can you watch something like that and do nothing?”
I don’t know. But hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Iraqi girls and women were raped, many by American servicemen, and so far nobody’s done a darn thing. Obama isn’t bothered about it in the least, and even his female SOS can’t be bothered to investigate it or prosecute anyone. Obama even seems to actually approve of the rape of both men and women of color in American prisons. It’s a huge scandal, very well documented, but of course it’s not something he can be bothered about. That would be paying attention to human rights, and it might cut into the profits of his corporate buddies.
[i]I thought by now fafaroo would have learned the difference between perpetrators and witnesses, but apparently he has not. Your once masterful research skills have failed you.[/i]
I know that you believe that we are all born with an innate understanding of moral behavior that satan’s weapon on earth, liberalism, erodes quickly over the course of time so there’s really no point in trying to explain how stupid it is to write something like this:
[i]When you can pass by a crime in progress, poverty and role models have nothing to do with it. The fact that something horrible is happening to somebody, should produce in you a feeling that something should be done. Not acting in a situation like that suggests that no one felt any guilt. The miscreants that committed the crime obviously felt no shame; why should they? No one else cared…[/i]
Frank, whether they’re a witness who did nothing or the actual person committing the crime, no one in this situation had a clear concept for the correct behavior, in other words, the model role to play: either don’t gang rape someone or if you see someone gang raped, report it.
People can be taught to mind their own business, or they can be taught to get involved. Role models are required in either case.
I know that you believe that we are all born with an innate understanding of moral behavior that satan’s weapon on earth, liberalism, erodes quickly over the course of time so there’s really no point in trying to explain how stupid it is to write something like this:
And yet you did. Don’t you ever tire of fawning over yourself? “Gee, Frank, if only you shared my insight, you poor benighted individual”.
Give me a break! From a theoretical, anrthropological standpoint, once we are out of the womb, we will learning / modeling about 99% of the time. That is not the same as saying that witnesses to a crime need role models. What do they need? Some person to do the right thing while they are watching? Of course! Someone who says, “Let’s go… Mind your business” every time therir child sees something untoward, is not a good role model. But there is something else afoot here. I am not condemning an entire community as you and Mike in DC are. Is this Riuchmond area some sort of post-apocalyptic hell? Ever hear of Pruitt-Igoe? Or the Cabrini Projects? Or “Bed-Stuy, Do or Die”?
“These poor kids need role models” is pure social worker BS. They need to understand that people who commit crimes are punished.
Finally, I do not believe we are born with an “innate understanding of moral behavior”: To the contrary, I believe that we are born constantly tempted to do evil, a temptation we must overcome, all through each day of our lives. As William F, Buckley put it so well, “People try earnestly to good, but fail sometimes.”