Comments on: Report: Reid Bill Done, Includes Opt-Out Public Option http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187605 Zython Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:09:22 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187605 <i>because he’s offering a basic and uncontroversial service enjoyed by every citizen of the rest of the industrialized world</i> Silly Parthenon, we shouldn't follow the examples of Switzerland and England, we should strive to be more like Honduras and Dubai. because he’s offering a basic and uncontroversial service enjoyed by every citizen of the rest of the industrialized world

Silly Parthenon, we shouldn’t follow the examples of Switzerland and England, we should strive to be more like Honduras and Dubai.

]]> By: Michael Over Here http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187591 Michael Over Here Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:26:45 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187591 Why is it only the wingnuts around here posting in every comment section that someone should be banned for some ridiculous reason? Oliver made it really clear that he was tired of people making incredibly specific personal attacks (you're a drunk, slut, unemployed, living abroad kind of things). Trust me when I say it's not flattering when you whine about banning someone who says something poignant to you. Why is it only the wingnuts around here posting in every comment section that someone should be banned for some ridiculous reason? Oliver made it really clear that he was tired of people making incredibly specific personal attacks (you’re a drunk, slut, unemployed, living abroad kind of things). Trust me when I say it’s not flattering when you whine about banning someone who says something poignant to you.

]]> By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187484 Zython Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:14:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187484 <i>Or is this a tacit admission on your part that Obama and the Democratic’s goals are less popular than a sack of rocks and the American public is slowly waking up to that fact.</i> Yeah, that's why Republicans have been saying that stopping the public option is critical to the success of the Republican party, and that if people get it, they will like it. Wait, what? <i>Now the question is: when will Oliver denounce mambo for questioning someone’s patriotism? After all, statements like that weren’t to be tolerated “in the last 8 years”.</i> What part of "turnabout is fair play" don't you understand? Or is this a tacit admission on your part that Obama and the Democratic’s goals are less popular than a sack of rocks and the American public is slowly waking up to that fact.

Yeah, that’s why Republicans have been saying that stopping the public option is critical to the success of the Republican party, and that if people get it, they will like it.

Wait, what?

Now the question is: when will Oliver denounce mambo for questioning someone’s patriotism? After all, statements like that weren’t to be tolerated “in the last 8 years”.

What part of “turnabout is fair play” don’t you understand?

]]> By: durablend http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187432 durablend Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:48:24 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187432 You're already paying for the uninsured through your stratospheric insurance premiums. MORON You’re already paying for the uninsured through your stratospheric insurance premiums.

MORON

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187428 SaveFarris Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:36:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187428 <i>There’s projected deficits and actual ones.</i> When you're right, you're right. It's all about "actual deficits" and Obama's got <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/07/ap/congress/main5370169.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody" rel="nofollow">scoreboard</a>. There’s projected deficits and actual ones.

When you’re right, you’re right. It’s all about “actual deficits” and Obama’s got scoreboard.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187425 Wilbur Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:14:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187425 <i>...American public is slowly waking up to that fact.</i> In your dreams, SF. In reality the teabaggers, the deathpanelers, the Fox news screamers have shot their wad, and the American public is quickly waking up to the fact that they're full of it. …American public is slowly waking up to that fact.

In your dreams, SF. In reality the teabaggers, the deathpanelers, the Fox news screamers have shot their wad, and the American public is quickly waking up to the fact that they’re full of it.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187404 Oliver Willis Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:50:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187404 See, Obama actually counts the war, and doesnt imagine its costs away. There's projected deficits and actual ones. Bush came in with a <em>surplus</em>. See, Obama actually counts the war, and doesnt imagine its costs away. There’s projected deficits and actual ones. Bush came in with a surplus.

]]> By: Rudy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187401 Rudy Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:47:21 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187401 That's a great idea. Kick all the moderates out of your party. Banish yourselves FURTHER to the fringes of society. Keep taking your marching orders from Rush and Beck. That'll win elections. That’s a great idea. Kick all the moderates out of your party. Banish yourselves FURTHER to the fringes of society. Keep taking your marching orders from Rush and Beck. That’ll win elections.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187373 mambochicken23 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:24:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187373 Well goddamn, Farris, if you don't like being part of a minority political group in this country, and you don't like losing fair elections, that's tough shit. Suck it up, deal with it. For the record, that was my attitude for Bush's second term. I thought the people who voted for him were idiots (and they were/are) but I didn't make stupid statements like the ones you make. Well goddamn, Farris, if you don’t like being part of a minority political group in this country, and you don’t like losing fair elections, that’s tough shit. Suck it up, deal with it.

For the record, that was my attitude for Bush’s second term. I thought the people who voted for him were idiots (and they were/are) but I didn’t make stupid statements like the ones you make.

]]> By: Chris K. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187366 Chris K. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:37:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187366 Essentially what the link says but boil it down and you get my response below. Essentially what the link says but boil it down and you get my response below.

]]> By: Chris K. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187364 Chris K. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:33:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187364 <blockquote><I feel like the opt-out is less than ideal, and gives an opportunity for red state governors to take their constituents to the cleaners – again.</blockquote> I disagree with your assertion here, Oliver. When was the last time a red state governor refused a massive amount of aid from the Feds or tried to shut down something the Feds are paying for (and not just talk about shutting the program(s) down so that they could get wingnut votes). Ronald Reagan played the same game on a national level when he talked about the EPA. Never shut it down. One-two governors, TOPS try to pull this mess within 2010-2012 so that they can look good but by 2016 no governor who wants to stay in office would do it. I believe this is the right move. Calls the wingnuts on their bluff and enacts good policy.

<I feel like the opt-out is less than ideal, and gives an opportunity for red state governors to take their constituents to the cleaners – again.

I disagree with your assertion here, Oliver. When was the last time a red state governor refused a massive amount of aid from the Feds or tried to shut down something the Feds are paying for (and not just talk about shutting the program(s) down so that they could get wingnut votes).

Ronald Reagan played the same game on a national level when he talked about the EPA. Never shut it down.

One-two governors, TOPS try to pull this mess within 2010-2012 so that they can look good but by 2016 no governor who wants to stay in office would do it.

I believe this is the right move. Calls the wingnuts on their bluff and enacts good policy.

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187363 SaveFarris Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:27:13 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187363 <i>If you cared about this, you would have said something in the last 8 years.</i> Yeah, because the last 8 years were <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html" rel="nofollow">exactly the same</a>. Now the question is: when will Oliver denounce mambo for questioning someone's patriotism? After all, statements like that weren't to be tolerated "in the last 8 years". If you cared about this, you would have said something in the last 8 years.

Yeah, because the last 8 years were exactly the same.

Now the question is: when will Oliver denounce mambo for questioning someone’s patriotism? After all, statements like that weren’t to be tolerated “in the last 8 years”.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187358 Oliver Willis Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187358 <em>figures he’ll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy</em> If you cared about this, you would have said something in the last 8 years. figures he’ll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy
If you cared about this, you would have said something in the last 8 years.

]]> By: Tsutsugamushi http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187357 Tsutsugamushi Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:58:07 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187357 I am not sure about your view. An interesting take can be found at http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2009/10/politics-of-opt-out.html I am not sure about your view. An interesting take can be found at http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2009/10/politics-of-opt-out.html

]]> By: Parthenon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187355 Parthenon Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:39:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187355 <i>because he’s offering <b>a basic and uncontroversial service enjoyed by every citizen of the rest of the industrialized world</b></i> Fixed that for you, sport. because he’s offering a basic and uncontroversial service enjoyed by every citizen of the rest of the industrialized world

Fixed that for you, sport.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187352 mambochicken23 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:16:45 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187352 I should add, if you don't like the American style of representative government, leave the fucking country. Asshole. I should add, if you don’t like the American style of representative government, leave the fucking country. Asshole.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187351 mambochicken23 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:15:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187351 <i>Obama figures he’ll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy</i> Fuck you, Farris. Obama figures he’ll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy

Fuck you, Farris.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187349 mambochicken23 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:14:14 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187349 I've heard this song from you before. You're stale. Perhaps you should mix it up a little bit. I’ve heard this song from you before. You’re stale. Perhaps you should mix it up a little bit.

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187348 SaveFarris Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:13:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187348 Obama's "policies are quite popular" because he's offering a free lunch: when have they ever been unpopular? When the bill finally comes due <i>(in 2013: How convenient...)</i>, Obama figures he'll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy (and, of course, all the "free" swag.) Hope! Change! Unity!!! You are right though that Republicans need to get their act together if they want to capitalize on the Tea Party movement. Not nominating RINOs like TJ Houshminzada (or whatever her name is) for NY-23 would be a step in the right direction. Obama’s “policies are quite popular” because he’s offering a free lunch: when have they ever been unpopular? When the bill finally comes due (in 2013: How convenient…), Obama figures he’ll just rape 49% of the voters and count on the other 51% to be grateful for his mercy (and, of course, all the “free” swag.)

Hope! Change! Unity!!!

You are right though that Republicans need to get their act together if they want to capitalize on the Tea Party movement. Not nominating RINOs like TJ Houshminzada (or whatever her name is) for NY-23 would be a step in the right direction.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/26/report-reid-bill-done-includes-opt-out-public-option/#comment-187347 mambochicken23 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:10:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=17266#comment-187347 Last I checked, the "public option" had more than 50% approval in most polls. And as I recall, the Republicans have historically low levels of self-ID among Americans. Also, I seem to recall that the Democrat, Barack Obama, beat the Republican, John McCain, in a national election last November. So yeah, you're right. The Democrats' ideas are the ones that are totally unpopular. Right. Dipshit. Last I checked, the “public option” had more than 50% approval in most polls. And as I recall, the Republicans have historically low levels of self-ID among Americans. Also, I seem to recall that the Democrat, Barack Obama, beat the Republican, John McCain, in a national election last November.

So yeah, you’re right. The Democrats’ ideas are the ones that are totally unpopular. Right. Dipshit.

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