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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187252</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, isms, this time Jaim stays in the sandbox alone , because he can&#039;t play well with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, isms, this time Jaim stays in the sandbox alone , because he can&#8217;t play well with others.</p>
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		<title>By: isms</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187222</link>
		<dc:creator>isms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not this again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not this again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187218</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because you keep making claims that you can&#039;t back up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because you keep making claims that you can&#8217;t back up?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187214</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I posted a comment here, must have messed up somehow...

Anyway, Jaim, &quot;chickenshit baby&quot; might be construed as a personal attack. I will only say that it&#039;s the kind of attack that would never be made in person, and we know why don&#039;t we ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I posted a comment here, must have messed up somehow&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, Jaim, &#8220;chickenshit baby&#8221; might be construed as a personal attack. I will only say that it&#8217;s the kind of attack that would never be made in person, and we know why don&#8217;t we ?</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187176</link>
		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does a picture of the First Family turn into &quot;Who wrecked the country up the most Clinton or Bush&quot;?

This post is about neither of those Presidents, so please stay on topic.

Also to Frank this is a Liberal blogger blog you are visiting, so if you are going to look for harsh criticism over a Obama photo(unless Oliver brings it up himself) please go to one of those crazy right-wing blogs for you daily dose, okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does a picture of the First Family turn into &#8220;Who wrecked the country up the most Clinton or Bush&#8221;?</p>
<p>This post is about neither of those Presidents, so please stay on topic.</p>
<p>Also to Frank this is a Liberal blogger blog you are visiting, so if you are going to look for harsh criticism over a Obama photo(unless Oliver brings it up himself) please go to one of those crazy right-wing blogs for you daily dose, okay?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, the best your link shows is that the WSJ liked Bush.  In 2005, before Iraq and Afghanistan both went completely tits up.

You&#039;re the one who made a claim about historians.  And you&#039;re the chickenshit baby who can&#039;t back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, the best your link shows is that the WSJ liked Bush.  In 2005, before Iraq and Afghanistan both went completely tits up.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one who made a claim about historians.  And you&#8217;re the chickenshit baby who can&#8217;t back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Ewiak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Ewiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least I now know Frank DiSalle is even more of an ass than Dennis and Jay judging by this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least I now know Frank DiSalle is even more of an ass than Dennis and Jay judging by this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187152</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he almost certainly wasn&#039;t. That would very likely be Warren Harding, by most metrics. But as Bruce said, we &#039;scholars&#039; aren&#039;t the ones with an unproven assertion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he almost certainly wasn&#8217;t. That would very likely be Warren Harding, by most metrics. But as Bruce said, we &#8216;scholars&#8217; aren&#8217;t the ones with an unproven assertion here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187150</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say he was. Well, at least not on this thread, or lately.

You were the one who said you could show us a link that proved historians rated Bush higher than Clinton.

 It didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say he was. Well, at least not on this thread, or lately.</p>
<p>You were the one who said you could show us a link that proved historians rated Bush higher than Clinton.</p>
<p> It didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187148</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bettert idea... Why don&#039;t you scholars show me a peer-reviewed study that indicates Pre Bush WAS the &quot;Worst President in US History.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bettert idea&#8230; Why don&#8217;t you scholars show me a peer-reviewed study that indicates Pre Bush WAS the &#8220;Worst President in US History.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187118</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on that, Bruce.  Just not with Indeed.  And I don&#039;t blame Clinton for the market collapse, either.  Or the four people I mentioned working with him in deregulating the derivatives market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on that, Bruce.  Just not with Indeed.  And I don&#8217;t blame Clinton for the market collapse, either.  Or the four people I mentioned working with him in deregulating the derivatives market.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187115</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By non-NRO I of course mean published at a university press. No Regnery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By non-NRO I of course mean published at a university press. No Regnery.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187113</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You let us know when you find the non-NRO historians who put Bush ahead of Clinton, Frank. 

&lt;i&gt;I know what I know.&lt;/i&gt;

Is this an internet tradition? If not, shouldn&#039;t it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You let us know when you find the non-NRO historians who put Bush ahead of Clinton, Frank. </p>
<p><i>I know what I know.</i></p>
<p>Is this an internet tradition? If not, shouldn&#8217;t it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187112</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your link, Dennis:

&quot;In reality, getting bin Laden would have been extraordinarily difficult. He was a moving target inside Afghanistan. Most military operations would have been high risk. What&#039;s more, Clinton was weakened by scandal, AND THERE WAS NO POLITICAL CONSENSUS FOR BOLD ACTION, especially with an election just weeks away.&quot;

There&#039;s your answer. To be fair, it also takes the wind out of the argument, somewhat, that Bush should have had his hair on fire about the August 6 memo. Because if there was no consensus for bold action in 2000, there was even less in August 2001.

I&#039;ve never held with those who fault Bush OR Clinton for &quot;not preventing&quot; 9/11. I was a cheerleader for fucking up the Taliban after it happened, but I doubt I would have supported a ground war in Afghanistan before. I still think 9/11 was a monster sucker-punch that nobody saw coming. It&#039;s how Bush used 9/11 to further neocon wetdreams in Iraq that pissed me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your link, Dennis:</p>
<p>&#8220;In reality, getting bin Laden would have been extraordinarily difficult. He was a moving target inside Afghanistan. Most military operations would have been high risk. What&#8217;s more, Clinton was weakened by scandal, AND THERE WAS NO POLITICAL CONSENSUS FOR BOLD ACTION, especially with an election just weeks away.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s your answer. To be fair, it also takes the wind out of the argument, somewhat, that Bush should have had his hair on fire about the August 6 memo. Because if there was no consensus for bold action in 2000, there was even less in August 2001.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never held with those who fault Bush OR Clinton for &#8220;not preventing&#8221; 9/11. I was a cheerleader for fucking up the Taliban after it happened, but I doubt I would have supported a ground war in Afghanistan before. I still think 9/11 was a monster sucker-punch that nobody saw coming. It&#8217;s how Bush used 9/11 to further neocon wetdreams in Iraq that pissed me off.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187109</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Clinton didn&#039;t take him out when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;he had the chance,&lt;/a&gt; isn&#039;t it, Indeed?  


You know, after we had already been attacked inside the United States.

Cut and paste idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Clinton didn&#8217;t take him out when <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/" rel="nofollow">he had the chance,</a> isn&#8217;t it, Indeed?  </p>
<p>You know, after we had already been attacked inside the United States.</p>
<p>Cut and paste idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Indeed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187107</link>
		<dc:creator>Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you&#039;ve covered your ass. You can go now. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you&#8217;ve covered your ass. You can go now. </p>
<blockquote><p>Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187104</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, your link doesn&#039;t show what you assert, Farris,...er, I mean, Frank.
Please find more links that don&#039;t show proof of your assertions. That&#039;ll show &quot;us lefties&quot; that you know what you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, your link doesn&#8217;t show what you assert, Farris,&#8230;er, I mean, Frank.<br />
Please find more links that don&#8217;t show proof of your assertions. That&#8217;ll show &#8220;us lefties&#8221; that you know what you know!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187101</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were about a dozen ratings. And I can find more. I know what I know.

I also recall asking the people here who the second worst President was , Funny thing was, there were then about 10 different answers, from Fillmore to Nixon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were about a dozen ratings. And I can find more. I know what I know.</p>
<p>I also recall asking the people here who the second worst President was , Funny thing was, there were then about 10 different answers, from Fillmore to Nixon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187092</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, your link doesn&#039;t show what you assert. A lower score is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, your link doesn&#8217;t show what you assert. A lower score is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/23/first-family-photo-by-annie-leibovitz/#comment-187090</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Jaim,
Would you consider Howard Zinn an accredited historian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Jaim,<br />
Would you consider Howard Zinn an accredited historian?</p>
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