BNP’s Nick Griffin Shows Best Disinfectant For Hate Is Sunshine
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As previously noted, Nick Griffin of the racist BNP appeared on BBC’s Question Time. As almost always with filthy racist thugs, it did not go well:
The smirking extremist was exposed as a political lightweight by members of the panel and an angry audience who booed and jeered him as he took his seat.
One black audience member told him his views were “disgusting”. Another said he was an “absolute disgrace”.
Earlier, Griffin had snuck into the BBC studios through a back entrance to avoid protesters.
One viewer said last night: “He was exposed in front of the country for what he is – a pathetic little bigot.”
Racism only succeeds when you give it power, when you try to ban it instead of just holding it up to the ridicule it deserves. Racism lost another round here, and across the globe we win a little bit.
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This is the beauty of GOP leader Rush Limbaugh having his own daily radio show on which he exposes himself as the racist he is.
And what’s even funnier is that when he tries to get a respetable position as an NFL co-owner, he’s shocked to discover that the 80 percent of Americans who disagree with his bigoted views on blacks, women, hispanics, and gays want nothing to do with him and his pathetic followers.
More speech is the antidote to racist speech, not censorship. Let the bigots hang themselves for all to see.
Gee, I wish I had high speed.
“More speech is the antidote to racist speech, not censorship. Let the bigots hang themselves for all to see.”
And when they start hanging people, then we’ll show them.
Except none of these yahoos has the guts to do anything like that. You want to prosecute thought, which is not what we do in modern democracies.
Not this again. We also avoid tribalism in modern democracies and these heads are fanning those flames. Should they go to jail for being stupid, probably not. But I do think a line has to be drawn by or in civil society that if it’s crossed, there will be consequences, there will be a price to pay more than just public ridicule. In the nether world of blogs and words, none of this matters, really. In the real world of joe average, people are having their turbans torn off, woman in head dress are being kicked and worse. And for what? I don’t want the market place to be the only place that determines the pace of social progress. I think the political and legal systems should also play a role in extreme cases. Rambaugh got his ass slapped by the invisible hand but sometimes that’s not enough. Some hate speech should be criminalized because the way I see it, hate speech is usually a precursor to hate and violence against the absolutely innocent and usually weakened. Change the legal system in a democracy and you change the world. Isn’t that what real social change is? I’m guessing you’ll say no.
Cons would support Nick Griffin in NY-23 race
“hate speech is usually a precursor to hate and violence against the absolutely innocent”
Actually, the hate speech we see from the right these days indicates to me that they’re nothing but a worthless pack of whiny, cowardly bed-wetters who simply can’t deal with the idea of a black president.
The larger argument is interesting, but ultimately I’ll take the American system over the European “hate speech” laws re: The Holocaust and other things. 150 years ago many Americans “knew” in the heart of hearts that blacks and women were inferior to white men. Legislating “thought crimes” based on prevailing modes of thought seems to be a slippery slope to me.
Let the foolish bigots beclown themselves. Rush getting the finger from the NFL is exactly the way things should work. And honestly, I don’t think they did it because they’re the most enlightened group of folks but they did realize that associating with a known bigot like him would hit them in the wallet. And as a pragmatist, that’s fine with me.
The NFL doesn’t have the greatest past with regard to racism, Jaim, and they’ve worked admirably hard to repair that damage, but the last thing they’d want is an outspoken owner with the audience he has talking about their past and what they’ve done and are doing with regard to repairing their reputation who might embarrass them further. It’s not the money, because he very well could’ve been very profitable for them- you’ve yet to address the fact that his audience could be attracted to football and the NFL if he plugged for them on his show and even allowed advertising. There are countless way in which Limbaugh’s program could’ve been used to market the NFL and increased the market value of the whole organization, not just the Rams. Limbaugh could’ve been influential in keeping the Rams in St. Louis, too. No, what Limbaugh represented at this time was bad publicity, and Sharpton drove that point home. The NFL doesn’t want bad publicity and they don’t want the risk of something controversial now that would’ve blown over, but that could’ve reared it’s ugly head again with anything Limbaugh said that the Left wanted to make an example of him and the NFL with whenever they saw the right opportunity to exploit. It’s a whole lot more involved than your simple, uninformed reasoning. You really should read more about it and not just what the liberal blogs are saying. Read the St. Louis newspapers, read the sports columnists, read both conservative and liberal viwepoints, read what Rush says, read what people who hate Rush and disagree with his viewpoints but disagree with the NFL on this say (like KO). You’re not doing any of that.
“It’s not the money, because he very well could’ve been very profitable for them”
NFL players were already coming out and indicating they’d never play for Limbaugh. Add that to the fact that he is a known racist who would hurt ticket sales and you’re just wrong, as usual.
“There are countless way in which Limbaugh’s program could’ve been used to market the NFL and increased the market value of the whole organization”
Limbaugh appeals to a very narrow (and very white male) segment of America. Are you seriously saying that the NFL, the most profitable professional sports league, would gain something from Limbaugh’s show that they don’t already gain from being the NFL? That’s simply ridiculous. The NFL needs Limbaugh like it needs a hole in the head.
Rush is a bigot, and he’s your boy. And your boy was told to go fuck himself because he would bring nothing but lower ticket sales, racism, and drama to the NFL.
Get over it. Your side lost because you’ve given Rush a pass for his racism for over two decades now. Stop whining and take responsibility for what this drug addicted racist said. Words and actions have consequences.
I guess the new style change means … even Oliver has given up on Obama?
(And I’ll go ahead and connect the dots for the mentally and linguistically challenged trolls here: If the NFL thought Rush would be good for their brand or their bottom line, they’d have been happy to have him. I think it’s safe to say that they’re better business people (for the most part) than any dittohead who has no other purpose in life then to make apologies for Dear Leader’s racism and bigotry.)
The NFL doesn’t have the greatest past with regard to racism,
True. Neither does the United States of America. Both institutions are moving in a good direction.
There are countless way in which Limbaugh’s program could’ve been used to market the NFL and increased the market value of the whole organization, not just the Rams.
I bet Limbaugh could have even made the trains run on time!!
No, what Limbaugh represented at this time was bad publicity
Well, he is a racist asshole (e.g., “grab out ankles,” Michael J. Fox Situation, Media Matters catalog).
ou really should read more about it and not just what the liberal blogs are saying.
Stormfront, for example.
read what Rush says
Done and done:
Media Matters and other sources have much, much more. Sunlight really is the best disinfectant. Or am I missing the “context”?
The NFL (or any other organization) would be better of without the likes of Dennis’ idol Rush Limbaugh, the racist asshole. It may have been an interesting experiment to watch any team Limbaugh owned be shunned, picketed, and boycotted by thousands and thousands of non-racists, players, and many of the same people who marched for Civil Rights (and against right-wing conservatives) decades ago. On the other hand, it’s kind of nice to nip it in the bud and direct energies elsewhere.
You forgot
PolandNFL players are just Bloods vs. Crips without weapons!Media Matters allowed a woman from the Philly ACORN office to lie to them and then they posted a video of her lying that she immediately kicked out Giles and O’Keefe from her office. Media Matters quoted other Republicans using Mao quotes as a rebuttal to criticism of Chairwoman Mao Tse-Dunn referring to Mao as one of her favorite philosophers and one she turns to most in a speech to high school students, but as of yet has yet to offer any quotes of Lee Atwater doing the same, which was her excuse. Media Matters has been complicit in their silence on the forged quotes attributed to Limbaugh. All these in just the last week, Indeed, yet you keep referring to them as if they are a credible source. And you have shown to blatantly uncaring about your own credibility or in linking to credible sources, and in posting quotes you know are unsourced.
Media Matters is not credible and neither are you.
You linking to them means absolutely nothing. In fact, it is a double dose of nothingness.
Shorter Dennis: LALALA I can’t hear you! Media Matters doesn’t confirm my bs worldview, so I DISREGARD!
Are you seriously arguing that the NFL missed out on having Rush Limbaugh bringing his audience on board? The NFL, the most popular sport in the United States, needed the 3 million dittoheads to push it over the top?
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
Read the St. Louis newspapers, read the sports columnists, read both conservative and liberal viwepoints, read what Rush says, read what people who hate Rush and disagree with his viewpoints but disagree with the NFL on this say (like KO).
A person could do all that, though I can’t imagine why you would unless you were a card carrying member of the dittohead emperor cult.
Far simpler to go on thinking (on the basis of mountains of past evidence) that Rush Limbaugh is irresponsible rabble-rousing mountebank who is a public relations train wreck waiting to happen, and whom any organization concerned with maintaining a responsible public image would do well to steer clear of.
Could be wrong about that, but I’ll take my chances, life is short.
What’s the line? Define the line. You can’t put people in jail for being assholes, because the jails would be packed. We don’t criminalize speech, even the really offensive shit because it just gives it power to do so.
Jaim,
Last I checked, Polish isn’t a race.
I’m not a former history teacher, though; maybe you can verify that.
And maybe in your nostalgia for the days of old when you could frivolously call someone a racist in order to put them back on, you could explain how the comment he made in a time when the NFL was investigating gang signals and enacting rules changes to prohibit gang-like behavior, that comment was any more racist than what the NFL Rules Committee was doing.
If you came back with an honest response, you’d know why Limbaugh could be a PR nightmare for the NFL.
They’ve had a very, very bad week, Oliver. I don’t think even you could deny that.
And hey, I like the new format. When’s the next fund drive, I’m feelin’ kinda guilty.
Indeed has had a far worse week than Media Matters, though.
Please take comfort in that.
Waaahhhhhh!!!!! Look over there!!!!!
Media Matters has been complicit in their silence on the forged quotes attributed to Limbaugh.
Which Media Matters citations are not valid? You should alert Drudge immediately!!
Which of the specific quotes I noted (from Media Matters and elsewhere are not valid? Any? All? You should let Drudge and the rest of the world know, stat! Are any of the audio clips at Media Matters not valid? Were they faked? Because there’s some seriously racist shit on there. If that’s bogus, then someone should be held to account!
Here they are again, out in the sunlight for all to see:
And that’s just a small sampling; there’s more. You’ve no doubt seen and heard the other quotes already, but should I reproduce them here for everyone to see–you know, out in the sunlight? You could point out the false quotes. And provide that missing “context” I keep hearing about. Should we ask Robert Stacy “Ol’ Gumshoe Bob” McCain to lend a hand? He’s a racist asshole hero of yours as well, if memory serves. Or did I miss some “context”?
Thanks in advance!
If that’s true (it isn’t) someone forgot to tell us.
Again, you make the charge. You explain. You provide the context. You make the case.
You don’t. You can’t.
You can link, though. That you can do.
Not sure you worded that the way you wanted to. Are you saying it’s far simpler to just accept the varioous two or three sentence quotes that Media Matters gives to show that those statements were ‘racially-charged’ and that folks here extend to prove he’s racist as gospel without further analysis on your own to form your own opinion? WOuld hearing other African-Americans who know Limbaugh personally and state unequivocally that he is not a racist mean less to you than quotes from a research watchdog categorically opposed to him ideologically as much as MM is, none of whom know him personally? Is that what you’re saying, Wilbur? Is that how you roll?
WOuld hearing other African-Americans who know Limbaugh personally and state unequivocally that he is not a racist…
You mean some of racist asshole Rush Limbaugh’s best friends are black? Who could have predicted that would be Dennis’ argument?
Is that what you’re saying, Wilbur? Is that how you roll?
Yeah Wilber! Whom ya gonna believe, an anonymous Limbaugh fellator or your own eyes and ears? Huh? Which is it gonna be? Huh? Because if you don’t believe Dittohead Dennis, then he’ll, um, say he doesn’t believe you. So there. Ha! Advantage Deadender Dittohead!
Didn’t say some of his best friends are black, I said his African-American friends who know him personally stated unequivocally that he is not racist. And they are not anonymous. They spoke out and if you’d ever read anything other than MM and T-bogg, you’d know that, Indeed.
Dennis,
Honest question…
If you think that MM and OW are “not credible”, then why do you insist on posting here? Is it your goal in life to troll, or do you seriously want to come here to discredit/refute OW?
I didn’t say OW was not credible, I said Indeed was not credible. I’m not sure why I enjoy proving that here. Maybe because I’m impressed he tries so hard. As for MM, as I said, they had a bad week, and Indeed constantly links to them on the very issues that they have been less than forthcoming on.
Not credible?
The UK and it’s people have a right to preserve their heritage, their institutions, and their cultural norms. And I stand with the BNP on these issues. It’s THEIR nation. Not property of the world.
We are all property of the world; we exist in it and affect each other by our mere presence. And it’s impossible to try to eliminate cultural diversity in an open society; without resorting to draconian measures completely antithetical to the concept of personal freedom (a concept widely accepted as a good idea, even in Britain I’m sure), people will continue to exhibit at least some aspects of the culture they grew up in. We have literally centuries of history around the world showing this to be true. So your choices are to close off your society from the rest of the world, accept no immigration and rigidly control thought, speech and action in the name of “preserving our heritage and cultural norms;” or accept that diversity and change are inevitable and learn to adapt to the changes as they come.
Racist and racialist conservatives (in the American sense) around the world and of every color and creed have tried over and over again to halt or slow the progress of cultural miscegenation and assimilation, and EVERY time they have failed in the end. It can’t be done. But while cultural diversity is inexorable and inevitable, that doesn’t mean that those who want to “preserve their heritage, institutions, and their cultural norms” can’t do so. It only means they can’t do so to the exclusion of all others.
Is that what you’re saying, Wilbur? Is that how you roll?
Way off base as usual, Dennis.
Are you saying it’s far simpler to just accept the varioous two or three sentence quotes that Media Matters givezzzzz……
No, I’m saying its far simpler just to stick with my own opinion that I’ve formulated from decades of listening to limbaugh and reading things about him.
WOuld hearing other African-Americans who know Limbaugh personally and state unequivocally that he is not a racist mean lezzzzzzzz……..
I don’t know, or care, if Limbaugh is really a racist or if he just plays one on radio, and it doesn’t surprise me that “some of his best friends” will avoid saying negative things about him. When I said he was a trainwreck waiting to happen racism was not the only reason. If he were an nfl owner he would embarrass the nfl one way or another.
Dennis, parroting the day’s talking points per usual. Today’s pathetic reach:
Media Matters has been complicit in their silence on the forged quotes attributed to Limbaugh.
As Jon Stewart might say, you know what’s coming. (Sorry for such a large quote, but it’s worth it):
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910230006
Holy fuck this is easy. Maybe “Dennis” is really Tim Graham?
It’s not the money, because he very well could’ve been very profitable for them- you’ve yet to address the fact that his audience could be attracted to football and the NFL if he plugged for them on his show and even allowed advertising.
Yes, Dennis, it’s not the money. It’s the bad publicity. Because getting bad publicity and losing your audience is not at all about money.
Clearly the NFL did the calculation and realized that losing 3 million dittoheads as their audience meant less to their bottom line than losing the millions more who think Limbaugh is a tool.
It’s pretty obvious Dennis that after reading “all sides” you still went with the robot choice on this one.
Like, Oliver said,”Bwahahahahahahahaha!”
No, Indeed, you are not credible. You C&P’d that same list over a hundred times to try to hide your shame at peddling the highly racist forged ones well past their expiration dates.
40 years ago, if he even did say it, under a different name, as a non-political radio shock jock. Not sourced, no transcript, no audio, no one on record attesting to it. Only sourcing is something from Newsday in which the question asked him is not known and in which you do not provide the interview transcript or the actual article. Still, 40 years ago. Joe Biden should not be VP if that is a valid indictment. It’s not. You have nothing. Media Matters only lists the Fair.org claim, that only lists the supposed apology, but again, does not provide the actual article nor anything else. Very weak. Media Matters has done no research on this that they will provide. Not credible, Indeed, but it’s the one everyone who argues about his racism thinks is their ace in the hole.
Bend over….so what. Blind acceptance with no objections. ‘You lost, bend over.’ Nothing racist. ‘Because his father is black.’ I object to his reference, but is no different than him calling Obama a half African American, which I also object to, but the reference is to him being black…we are told that we lost and to accept that. Said at precisely the same time that Obama and his advisors were attacking Limbaugh and he told Republicans he was supposed trying to work with that ‘You lost’. Not racist. Go post that on Eric Boehlert’s idiotic challenge page.
Race-baiting. Does not make him a racist. This did happen, though. I disagree with him and him saying it. It does not prove him to be a racist. What happened on that bus if it had been a black kid beaten to a pulp and white kids cheering, would have ignited a racial fire-storm, though.
That’s as racist as if Oliver called me an angry white guy, which I am sometimes. I’ve seen Obama angry before. I imagine you have too. Still, more racially charged statements from him, race-baiting even, but no way does it make him a racist. Explain how that makes him a racist and Obama’s description of his grandmother as a ‘typical white person’. I know you won’t explain that, it’s just a rhetorical question for anyone else who might be reading this.
Wrong to say it, controversial. Insensitive. fafaroo made a half-decent appeal that this made him a racist. I disagree. He was talking about the porkulus bill. Reparations doesn’t always have to mean payback for slavery. It doesn’t mean you’re a racist to disagree with reparations for slavery and it doesn’t mean you’re a racist to say you’re a racist for calling the stimulus bill reparations when you disagree with the objectives of the it. I don’t agree with the term nor how he used it, but it doesn’t make him a racist, and you’ve never once attempted to address it you own words.
I don’t agree with him for saying this at all. I admire Obama for a lot of things and disagree with him on a lot of things, but this offends me that Limbaugh would say this, taken just as it is here. I don’t know much more about the context or the quote, but I hate that kind of description. I haven’t read Obama’s books but I don’t know of anything about him that says he disowned his white half, and Limbaugh would’ve been wrong to attack him on this regardless. It’s none of his business and none of his concern.
Stupid move by Limbaugh, but what is your point? Insensitive, stupid, worked well to the cause of federally-funded stem cell research and the cause of Democrats. Doesn’t make him a racist. Doesn’t even deal with racism. You’re and ass for including this in a case where you’re trying desperately to make a case for racism.
You’re an idiot, Indeed.
Now your turn, in your own words.
For the first time. Tell me how all of these quotes individually you keep plastering on here like the troll you are makes Limbaugh a racist.
PROVE IT.
Ass-weep-ay Indeed,
Nice try, forever linking and cutting and pasting. Media Matters, as I’ve said, can say they never quoted them, and they didn’t. But they were and have always been upfront and center in publishing and getting out the list of all of the other racially-charged quotes, so why not say why they didn’t include the ones you were peddling here. They had to know about them. They are not guilty of not anything overtly, but someone there had to have looked into those quotes. If I asked you early in the week why Media Matters didn’t list the forged quotes you were peddling, you can be goddamn sure someone else was calling them for some verification or what they might have on the quotes. They’d be one of the first oppo-research firms people would think of to call. So their answer had to be ‘we don’t have anything’.
Is complicit the right word for me to say about them? I don’t know. They certainly weren’t trying very hard to get to the truth of the matter about something they had to look into, or if they did try hard, were not open about sharing that they had nothing. I don’t think complicit is that far off base.
And Boehlert is wrong to say people are defending race-baiting. They are defending his being called a racist by idiots like you who think you have something peddling those quotes.
And Boehlert is wrong to say people are defending race-baiting.
O RLY?
and of course:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/31/rush-limbaughs-premature-galt/#comment-167636
Hey, keep on defending, with Tiger Beat-like enthusiasm, the extensive race-baiting from your idol. Like a lot of people, I also think it’s racist, but that’s kind of subjective. As with Robert Stacy McCain (another racist asshole idol of yours, as I recall), you are entitled to your opinion.
Is complicit the right word for me to say about them? I don’t know.
Then how about obtaining a fucking dictionary before you make a comment, dipshit.
Indeed,
You are seriously mentally impaired.
I said we are arguing the ‘racist’ charge, not the ‘race-baiting’ charge. Boehlert is wrong to describe our defense of Limbaugh as defending him from the race-baiting charge. If you want to argue that Limbaugh is guilty of race-baiting, fine, that’s not what I’m disagreeing with. I’ve said that a hundred times on here and to you. I’ve agreed on that point, but he’s not a racist. You are a certified idiot, however.
You guys never stop with the “Look over there” stuff, do you?
If I may interject:
Dennis says that a man who makes racially insensitive, racially-charged, race-baiting and race-hustling remarks every day on the radio for 20 years is not a “racist” as defined by Dennis.
Then he says that the FOX chyron thing is not “similar” to the eeevil conspiracy in the MSM to emphasize/not emphasize “Rs and Ds” as Dennis defines “similar.”
Dennis writes his own dictionary, just as Frank writes his own American History book.
See, most people know what a “racist” is, just as most people know what “similar” means. But not our hero.
No, Bruce, you got a few things wrong. Limbaugh doesn’t make those kinds of statements every day, and not every day for the last 20 years. I have asked everyone here and several specifically to define what a racist is and apply it to Limbaugh. Only one person has done so. What you said is not accurate. I didn’t define anything.
I don’t know what the point of the chyron thing you’re tying to make is, so I have no response. No fucking clue what you’re saying. I don’t write my own dictionary, I give you my opinions.
I asked you guys to define “racist”; what you define a racist as. You seem to think we think its anyone who doesn’t use the N word deragotorily, which is not the case. I gather from you that a racist is anyone who you want to be, it’s used so often and indiscriminately here.
So Bruce, what is your definition of racist and why do you think RL is one? Explain to me why he’s a racist. If you were truly concerned about racism, you’d take the time to define it and let people know where it applies, because as it is and as I’ve demonstrated, some people get a pass and some people don’t for the same things.
Just asking for some clarification.
No, Bruce, you got a few things wrong. Limbaugh doesn’t make those kinds of statements every day, and not every day for the last 20 years.
Exactly! It’s not every day! Sheesh. Ol’ Rushie only works five (5) days a week. Plus he take time off for vacation (in the Dominican Republic if you know what I mean and I think you do!). So Rush makes racist statements over the airwaves maybe, what, 200 days out of any given year. But it’s not every day!
I asked you guys to define “racist”; what you define a racist as.
Um, how about someone who makes racially insensitive, racially-charged, race-baiting and race-hustling remarks (which many call racist, one can’t help but note) on a widely broadcast radio programs some 200 days a year over some 20+ years. Yeah, I’m going to go with that.
Dennis says that a man who makes racially insensitive, racially-charged, race-baiting and race-hustling remarks every day on the radio for 20 years is not a “racist” as defined by Dennis.
Indeed. And even though Dennis will at least admit that Rush Limbaugh is a serial race baiter, racially insensitive, and a total douche-bag, he not only defends the asshole, he adores him:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/31/rush-limbaughs-premature-galt/#comment-167636
Adores. There’s either a shitload of cognitive dissonance or something even weirder going on there.
It is obvious that you have been given your opinion rather than formed it yourself. I have listened to every side of politics, using only common sense and simple observation of human nature as my guide.
I can tell you from listening to Rush every day for the past 19 years, that you are mistaken in your opinion.
The racists are the ones shouting the loudest that Rush is.
In the arena of ideas, the Liberal notions of giving what is earned by one, to another who has been pimped out to believe they cannot earn their own…is a terrible disease that is killing the American spirit.
Truly conservative ideas have nothing to do with race.
I’m afraid you are not really comparing ideas, or even understanding what conservatives believe, and just indulging in the group hate that has swept our country, blaming everything under the sun on Bush, and now transferring it to Rush.
If you win this way, you won’t have done it with ideas, but with blind hate.
There is no way for people to be taxed into health and wealth. The only way to truly distribute wealth is to make allow free market competition, rule of law, and legal principles to hold….all which are in our constitution.
By casting Rush and conservatives as racist, the argument becomes a name throwing contest.
Liberal causes may start with noble intentions, but are preempted by greed in a far worse way than the bad side of capitalism.
The power grab has pulled the foundation of our rule of law, George Orwell’s 1984 is coming true….and the liberal screams of hate are nailing the coffin shut on what was America.
If your ideas and opinions are well founded, they can certainly withstand your listening to Rush for a few weeks. Honestly you can’t possibly have heard the same things I’ve heard for years, consistently, and still have the same opinions.
It is a terrible crime against another person for you to assume these things without knowledge.
Dennis is Snurgly.
Sometimes I don’t know why I comment at all. I’m not as eloquent as the Quakers, as funny as Indeed, or as witty as fafaroo, or as good at smartass hairsplittin’ as Dennis.
All I can tell you, Dennis, in my own 55-year-old-Southern-white-man way, is that I’ve been listening to racists in conversations almost every day of my life since childhood, and I know one when I hear one. If you don’t, that’s your problem.
What makes Limbaugh a racist is his record of making racially charged, insensitive, racebaiting and racehustling remarks for monetary gain, as you freely admit he does, (almost) every working day of his life for the past two decades.
What would make him a racist, Dennis? Going on the air for 3 hours a day shouting “N***er n***er!”??? Because it appears that’s the only thing he could do to qualify as a “racist” in the Dennis Dictionary.
What’s more pathetic and sad? That a known bigot like GOP leader Rush gets butt-hurt when the NFL tells him to go fuck himself, or people who try and deny Rush is a racist?
The McNabb comment alone would keep anyone from NFL ownership. But since Rush has been on record at least 10 different times as a bigot we need to try and re-parse everything despicable thing he’s ever said?
“What makes Limbaugh a racist is his record of making racially charged, insensitive, racebaiting and racehustling remarks for monetary gain”
If this is the standard how do the actions of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson differ from your definition?
Has anyone in this thread defended Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson? Do you honestly think anyone in this thread would be upset if the NFL didn’t want either of them to be NFL owners?
Could you please at least make an effort to say foolish, pro-Limbaugh the racist things so it would be more fun to shoot you down?
LOL Jaim,
We’ve had a definition given for racism by an old southern boy who by dint of his heritage claims to be expert. By his defintion I would classify the two men of god previously mentioned as racist. You appear to agree, I’m sure you’ll correct me if I am wrong.
If you do disagree is it the definition by our southerner or the examples I asked about?
BH – “All I can tell you, Dennis, in my own 55-year-old-Southern-white-man way, is that I’ve been listening to racists in conversations almost every day of my life since childhood, and I know one when I hear one. If you don’t, that’s your problem.”
Yeah … well, do you have any evidence, a link?
“What would make him a racist, Dennis? Going on the air for 3 hours a day shouting “N***er n***er!”???”
No quite, because the context of the slur would be a mitigating factor. You can’t win Dennis.
should be, you can’t win with Dennis. Although ….
You praise Sharpton for his role in nixing the Limbaugh NFl franchise ownership. So you condone a race-baiting, race-hustling, racially-charged ‘racist’ who does these things for monetary gain going to bat for the NFLPA. You’re completely fine with that, hallelujah, way to go Al! But then you say ‘do you honestly think anyone would be upset if Sharpton got an NFL franchise?’
You’re an idiot and a hypocrite. You have no idea what points you’ve argued in the past and how they contradict you.
Amused Observer is absolutely correct; strange to see such an impudent 35 year old on here formulating arguments and shouting whatever comes to his mind at the time…you resemble an 18 year old more than you do a 30 year old. Before a week or so ago I used to think you were 30 years old and I was honestly even surprised by that.
isms,
I’ve asked you specifically 5 or 6 times now to pick any one quote or as many as you like and make a case and provide the context and define racism and how that makes him one, yet every time you refuse. IF you’re afraid to do that, don’t blame me if you think I’m the one who won’t listen to reason.
Barring you’re doing that, you’re the one being irrational.
You can’t define it, you can’t explain it, you just know, and if anyone else doesn’t know what you know, then you just can’t win with that person so ‘oh well’.
Sad, isms. Very sad.
A small carnivorous mammal, often kept as a housepet, that uses a litterbox and says “meow” is a “cat.”
A large metal object, painted yellow, found on city streets, from which firemen get water to fight fires is a “fire hydrant.”
Some things are self-evident. Some things all reasonable people agree on. Some things all people who speak English fucking agree on. But not Dennis. And not Amused Observer.
“I can see it’s a small mammal that eats meat. I can hear it meowing. I can smell the litterbox. But can you prove it is actually a ‘cat’? Because until you run a DNA test on it, I’m going to insist the jury’s still out. Plus, I’m going to point out that those two animals over there also fit the definition of ‘cat.’ But not this one!”
“You praise Sharpton for his role in nixing the Limbaugh NFL franchise ownership.”
I’ve never done that. From the beginning I’ve enjoyed the fact that the NFL ownership decided to tell Limbaugh to fuck off all by themselves.
If you truly think the NFL ownership, a mostly Republican group, cowers before the declarations of Sharpton that you’re a bigger idiot than I thought.
Racist drug-addicts are bad for anybody’s business, except maybe the Oxycontin dealer’s.
Get over it you big dumb baby. The NFL rejected him because America hates him.
Bruce,
For the record, I think you’re a lot smarter than Indeed, Jaim, isms and everyone else here who refuses to explain what racism is and how a certain person fits that description of which they think deserves no explanation.
That’s why I’d like to hear yours. I’ll admit I may be lacking in accuity when it comes to what a racist is, and I’ve shown why inconsistencies here have led to that confusion in the example of farking idiot racist Joe Biden.
I’m asking you to clarify it for me. I’ve read the quotes and I’ve laid out why I don’t think that makes him a racist. Please, make it perfectly clear so that I’ll know and not make any mistakes going further as to just who the real racists are as defined by the gallery here.
Jaim, see, you got that wrong.
IT NEVER GOT TO THE NFL OWNERSHIP.
You have access to the internet just like I do, and it’s on there if you’d take the time to read. You don’t.
Sharpton had far more influence on Dave Checketts decision to drop Limbaugh after he first told him he’d checked into it and told him everything was a go than any NFL owner did. Irsay spoke out, but he didn’t vote. Goodell spoke out, but he didn’t vote nor did he nix the deal in anything official. You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. And you did praise Sharpton. You cheered his efforts. He’s the one who got the players to speak out, and nearly all of them had to have gotten their talking points from him because nearly all of them got them wrong.
You’re a kid, Jaim. You live in a kid’s world. I’m happy for you that your kid students make you happy for the first time in your life, but sooner or later you’ve got to grow up and realize you’re an adult.
You have no idea how many drug users there are in the NFL. You have no idea how many NFL owners are racists, either. If Sharpton and the NFL owners and the NFLPA were concerned about either one and that was their reason for being vocal about Limbaugh they’d do an honest assessment and determine that’s about the most hypocritical statement they could ever make. That was Keith Olbermann’s point and it’s beyond your capabilities to grasp that concept. If past racist statements and drug use were reasons for expulsion, there’d be no NFL and all but about three NFL owners would remain, which were pretty much KO’s words.
America doesn’t hate him. Half of America hates him. You’re in that half that hates the other half of America of which he’s one of and that’s why you left the country because of that hatred you can’t let go of. Sooner or later you’ll start to hate those kids and that school and that country too, and you’ll run again.
As I’ve said, Dennis, it is self-evident.
If a person engages in racially-charged, racially-insensitive, racebaiting and racehustling comments (almost) every day for two decades, as you admit Limbaugh does, that person is a “racist” in my book. Your book may differ, but that’s because you write it yourself.
Insisting that “That animal may not be a ‘cat’ despite its catlike appearance and catlike behavior!” doesn’t mean that that that animal is not, indeed, a “cat.”
As for Amused’s take on how I know a racist when I see one, it’s the same way I know a “slob” when I see one, or a “jerk” when I see one comment on the Internet. Long experience, dude.
One can describe a slob very easily. One can describe a jerk very easily.
But you can’t describe a racist very easily despite proclaiming to be an expert of it by the very section of the country in which you live.
I didn’t admit that he engages in that behavior every day or even almost every day and that he has for the last twenty years. I said he’s been on the radio almost every day for three hours a day for the last 20+ years. IMHO, if he was the racist everyone here seems to know that he is but can’t describe in their own words why, that he thought blacks and minorities by virtue of their race were inferior and he wanted to do everything he could to do as much harm as he could, then I’d think you’d have a lot more reasons than a few isolated quotes as evidence of that proof.
But even going to let you go with your evidence of just those isolated quotes that you present as solid proof. I just ask you to explain to me in your words why they make him a racist. Not a Perry Mason courtroom, Bruce. Just you opinion.
Don’t be afraid of me, I won’t mock your reasons. I’d just like to know.
See, our definitions differ. I don’t know if he consciously wishes to do harm to minorities. It’s unknowable whether or not he consciously and sincerely thinks that certain people are inferior because of race or whether he just spouts his crap for monetary gain. It doesn’t matter whether it’s every day, every other day, every week or whatever. It’s not what I would call “occasional.” But I’m sure you have your own definition of that word, too.
I insist that a man with his 20 year record of racebaiting and racehustling is a “racist.” You insist on a much more narrowly defined, Dennis-only definition. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, Chief.
No one that I know is afraid of you or your mockery, Dennis, by the way. Tiresome? Yes. Irritating? Hell yes.
But fear-inspiring? Don’t flatter yourself.
And enough with the “why don’tchas.”
I’ve got to go to work now. I’ll be back in the evening. Just don’t want my absence to be mistaken for fear of Dennis’s mighty mockery.
The NFL decides who becomes an owner not the other way around.
All this blowhard (Rush Hudson Limbaugh A.KA. Jeff Christie) has to offer is his money and his opinions, (which in my opinion are on the fringes of racism, one mans opinion). There are many more groups biding for the Rams, not just his group. Lets face it there are more men with money (Marshall Faulk) that will gladly fill the slot and the Rams will win or lose depending on how well they work as a team and not on whether or not Rush is an owner.
As for Vick, well he is a player (he has talent not like you, Rush or I, unless you are a NFL player?) and he served his time and the NFL decided we live in the land of second chances, so why not (I personally don’t like it but, oh well). Life has never been fair (NEWS FLASH!)
Now as to the “Free Speech” argument, I guess many of you like myself heard Rush on Thursday “Almost in tears”, priceless. But the last couple of days he now is in his normal ranting and will continue until someone surpasses him, “Free Speech” continues, so what is being stifled, it simply is not true, of course, you may not have a radio, so you might want to get one.
http://www.chasingevil.org/2009/10/rush-limbaugh-in-his-own-words.html
PS – I am sure someone is working to put the tapes together maybe all you subscribers can help, since you are all about getting to the truth?
PPS- Beauty Pageant Judge – Now I understand why he lost the weight, to find a new wife, creepy.
The evidence is glaring but you are a blind person. Can’t show a blind person the truth when s/he can not see it. What he said does not matter, what I heard does not matter. All the matters is your belief that he’s not a racist. That’s what’s sad snurgly. Like someone said on another thread, I too would love it if Rambaugh litigates against his detractors so more people can see who he is; he would absolutely loose in the court of public opinion. He is our equivalent to Nick Griffin. Terrible shame.
Well, we’re going in circles against Dennis’ stupidity. But I’ll state for the last time: If the NFL, a majority Republican group, thought a bigot like Rush would be good for business they’d have let him join the club. Al Sharpton had nothing to do with it, because nobody listens to Al Sharpton except in the warped fever-dreams of wing-nuts.
Rush did this to himself. And while much more than half of America hates the racist fuck, let’s pretend it’s only half. You admit that half of America hates the racist fuck. So on what planet could he possibly be good for business?
As I’ve mentioned before, the NFL probably wouldn’t want Michael Moore either. But at least that would be because of his politics alone, not his long history of racism.
But please, keep defending this bigoted racist Dennis. I know you can’t help showing your true colors every time you post. Which is what, 40-50 times a day?