Robert Gibbs On Cheney’s Beclowning On Afghanistan
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I’m sorry….but I thought Gibbs was engaging in some “beclowning” here. I see him saying, “But….but…but….They didn’t do anything!” and “Well I haven’t seen that. And they didn’t do anything!”
Weak.
I thought criticizing the Commander-in-Chief during wartime gave aid and comfort to our enemies? Or did that have an expiration date of Jan, 2009?
Jay,
I know, you like leaders who don’t stutter when they speak but stutter on actual policy. Or maybe you like leaders who wear flight suits and declare the mission accomplished while the fighting is still going on.
Or perhaps you are the gullable type who likes cowboy hats but no substance.
Yeah, Democrats, ya’ll thinkin’ for ya selves. I like that in ya.
What would have REALLY “beclowned” Cheney would have been for Obama to announce his Afghanistan policy. Instead, he’s flying off to fundraisers, dropping in to elementary schools, and getting rolled in negotiations with the Iranians.
Priorities, people.
“Getting rolled” = not bombing the shit out of brown people.
I’m sure the heroic patriots at Fox will immediately condemn Cheney for undermining his Commander-in-Chief during wartime.
SaveFarris: Why do you hate America and want the skeery terr’ists to win? The C-in-C deserves your blind, unquestioning support! Watch what you say!
Yeah, Democrats, ya’ll thinkin’ for ya selves. I like that in ya.
Megadittos!
Oh, and shorter Dennis: “Look over there! Again!”
And that trail of bodies are Freedom Corpses.
Cons heart Dick Cheney’s 5 deferments from Vietnam
“And that trail of bodies are Freedom Corpses.”
With a side of fries.
Whoa! Could you give us a heads up before you do that!
(and whatever happened to the blogroll?)
Cheney is a complete joke. Even the Republicans wish he’d go away.
LOL,
Cheney did more good for America in a week then Obama will ever do and the recipical also holds. Obama has done more harm in a week then Cheney did in his entire career! Waiting for the pendulum to swing back, sigh.
Who the fuck cares what Cheney thinks about anything?
Or more to the point, Who cares what a Canadian thinks about our politics?
AO demonstrates again that he is not to be taken seriously.
Please point to three things Cheney accomplished as VP.
Kept America safe from attack longer than Obama has? Nope.
Seen bigger gains in the DOW than Obama has? Nope.
Started and couldn’t finish two different wars that Obama now has to clean up? Check.
LOL Jaim,
I can see by your cause and effect examples that you don’t have a clue about how an economy works or what has been going on globally for the last 80 years or so.
Am I the only one who is reminded of the little French guy in the tower in Monty Python and the Holy Grail every time AO shows up?
“I can see by your cause and effect examples that you don’t have a clue about how an economy works or what has been going on globally for the last 80 years or so.”
OK Professor, here’s your big chance. Please enlighten me. Seriously, 80 years of economic history. You banter about big ideas but seldom deliver the goods. I really want to learn.
Am I the only one who is reminded of the little French guy in the tower in Monty Python and the Holy Grail every time AO shows up?
I’m not. After all, the French guy won in the end.
Massive and foolish goverment deregulation under Bush and a Republican controlled Congress between 2001 to 2006 led to the greatest economic crisis in American history since the Great Depression, which was also caused by Republicans (and fixed by Democratic presidents).
What’s not to understand?
And Democratic presidents defeated Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo in under four years. George W. Bush had more than that and couldn’t pacify either Iraq or Afghanistan.
Please Amused Observer, let’s continue to discuss history.
True movement conservatives wish they had the honor of being shot in the face. Thank you sir, may I have another!
Hey A.O.: better check with Hannity and the other patriots at Fox News before you keep bad-mouthing the C-in-C during wartime. I recall them frowning on such treasonous behavior.
bikelib-
Why don’t you point to a time where Hannity said someone else was treasonous for criticizing Bush and what specifically he was pointing to and see how it compares to what Cheney said yesterday.
Enlighten everyone instead of keeping them in the dark, how about it.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200701090011
One really shouldn’t have to do this, but on the other hand, it’s so fucking easy.
Sunshine is indeed the best disinfectant. I wonder how Dick Cheney feels about that particular policy.
Indeed, you continue to suck at this. Yes, it is easy for you and for anyone to link to someone else so he doesn’t have to say anything to make an argument.
Cheny didn’t call for impeachment of Obama, like Sean Penn did. That alone, right there, makes the link you provided no comparison to Cheney’s criticism of Obama. Sean Penn is incapable of the type of criticism Cheney levelled.
So yeah, it is probably very easy for you to find a link, but you always take the easy road.
Linking is teh easy, isn’t it?
TFJ for QiB!
Dennis: Enough of the sematics, are you saying that Hannity, et al never claimed that critics of Bush’s Iraq policies were undermining the C-In-C during wartime? Really?
Err, that would be “semantics”
I never did like Cheny but he does have a point here. Looks as if the Obama team is a little bit in over their heads on this military thing. Matter of fact, it seems they are in over their heads on just about everything so far.
Dennis, you know damn well the central point that I’m making. So keep being cute and keep dancing around it. The “talent” at Fox and elsewhere in the conservative media routinely accused critics of Bush’s foreign policy of undermining the “C-in-C”. Now that the current President has a “D” after his name, they’ve done a 180 and are slamming his policies. And as usual, you’re perectly aware of it. Even if you refuse to concede it.
Jaim,
Prosperity is a result of profit, the private sector’s income exceeding it’s cost of production. The current economic problems we have are based on an excessive number subprime mortgages, created by governmental regulation for political gain, being packaged alongside normal mortgages which decreased the value of the good along with the bad. The resulting distortion of values contributed to bad decision making based on flawed information throughout the economy. Relying on an economy based on unsustainable debt is never a good idea, so is basing decisions on flawed data.
Successful warfare is the result of effective tactics based on successful strategy carried out by disciplined troops marshalled by courageous leadership backed up by pragmatic political support and luck.
Your quick assessment of both credit and blame is based on your personal feelings not reality. The LA times had an interesting article on education. The single greatest factor in educational success being the quality of the teachers, not class size, not teacher accreditation, not student socioeconomic backround. From the article;
“Allowing ineffective teachers to remain in the classroom is literally dragging down the nation,” said education researcher Eric Hanushek of Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.
In a forthcoming paper, Hanushek estimates that replacing the nation’s worst 6% to 10% of instructors with merely average teachers would propel the United States from its below-average level into the ranks of the world’s top five educational systems”
Your confusion of feelings with facts is a good indication of your abilities as an educator. Perhaps you could perform well enough in mathmatics if you have the aptitude for it, your emotions and feelings shouldn’t impact your understanding of the subject matter or your ability to transfer that understanding. 2+2 = 4 is simple enough to grasp and shouldn’t be affected by your personal viewpoint enough to matter. Your inability to discern between the subjective and the objective renders most other subjects outside of your range of capability.
I’m not being cute, bikelib, just asking you to be accurate in your assessment. Because if you were, you’d find that anything anywhere close to paralleling with what Cheney said in terms of criticism weren’t met with the treason charge. I’m sorry it was used, but people now throw that accusation around much too freely when someone criticizes the president. I don’t think that the charge of treason was used one/one hundredth of the amount that liberals throw out the racist charge now, yet that’s not how it’s portrayed by most of you guys on here.
I don’t think that the charge of treason was used one/one hundredth of the amount that liberals throw out the racist charge now, yet that’s not how it’s portrayed by most of you guys on here.
Yeah, Idiot Indeed,
I admit that’s what I think. I was talking and responding to him after I had asked him to give me an example of what his previous claim was.
If you can provide an example, which you tried and failed to do on your first feeble attempt, then by all means, keep trying.
But how about in your own words this next time, and not someone else’s that you give me a link to, mm-kay, Link-boy?
Just so we’re clear. Dennis writes:
and shortly thereafter:
He wants people to be accurate in their assessments, yet he thinks (with no supporting evidence) that liberals throw the racist charge 100 times more than and wingnuts say called treason (is this based solely on olliverwillis.com or the Internets as a whole–Dennis isn’t clear). Then Dennis asserts (“yet that’s not how“) that most of you guys portray this.
So because Dennis thinks that X is a fact, he then concludes that Y is definitely true because “most” of Z people say so. And he’s asking others to be accurate.
Did I get any quotes wrong?
The beeping noise you’re about to hear is Dennis backing up. Again.
Link:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/22/robert-gibbs-on-cheneys-beclowning-on-afghanistan/#comment-186726
Indeed, like a guy we both admire and respect for his wit recently told someone else,
why don’t you go sit on a fire hydrant and improve your day.
You’d have to find that infinitely more pleasurable than obsessing over me.
Ok Dennis, it’s yes or no question time again:
1. While Bush was in office, did various conservative pols and media types claim that criticism of the president’s policies served to undermine our nation’s interests?
2. Now that Obama is in office, are at least some of these same people now criticizing the policies of the current administration?
If you won’t concede at least these two points, then I fuckin give up; because you are too dishonest to waste time on.
Shorter: *Beep*..*Beep*..*Beep*..
This is classic.
Dennis at 3:03 pm:
Dennis, after the (objectively awesome) example he asked for was delivered, at 3:32 pm (the same day):
Indeed.
1. Yes
2. Yes
That’s not what you said. I know what you said and I know what you meant.
Just because some people called some people treasonous for despicable behavior does not mean it was treasonous for Cheney to say what he said, nor is it hypocritical of Hannity not to condemn him for what he said. Being critical of president Bush is not what Hannity called treasonous, and I must’ve heard him say that a hundred times.
A better example for you for the next time this comes up between the two of us would’ve been Al Gore crazy loon tirade after we went to war when he roared ‘He be-traaaayed this country’ among other things. Not sure if The Great American Sean Hannity called him treasonous for that, but if he did, that’s quite a bit different than saying the president dithered in Afghanistan.
Listen, no harm no foul. Sorry if you’re pissed at me. I just don’t like the terms traitor or treasonous, just like I don’t like the R word and I wanted you to explain just what it was Hannity or anyone was calling anyone else treasonous for that pissed you off so much that we’re not supposed to be criticizing President Thin-Skinned at all now, lest we be considered treasonous.
Indeed, the Hoax Swallower,
Your example was of Sean Penn. Sean Fucking Penn.
Do you really want to hold him up as someone wrongly attacked for being treasonous?
Bring it on, buddy.
Oh my:
http://washingtonindependent.com/65015/the-obama-thesis-hoax
Dennis, why didn’t you tell us?
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910230019
Irony! Who’s the hoax swallower now?
I wonder if Tiger-Beat Dittoheads will continue to defend their idol. I’m guessing they will.
More to the point; what makes you think?
Too bad for both of you that it was a movie.
Sean Penn is an ACTOR; Cheney is the worst former VP of the U.S. in history.
Are you really saying you can’t see a difference?
What makes you say that? Cheney’s vast number of military successes? Or economic successes? Or diplomatic successes? Or natural disaster successes? Or health care successes?
Or any successes of any kind?
Dennis: I literally reading after you answered the two questions. Whatever you had to say after that was inconsequential to my point. But thanks for answering.
Dammit. I mean “I literally stopped reading”.
No problem, Captain. Asked and answered.
Noted for next time you ask a question.
Good to know. So what are the “tenets of the Laffer Curve” you mentioned some time ago?
I literally stopped reading after you answered the two questions. Whatever you had to say after that was inconsequential to my point. But thanks for answering.
Don’t worry, it was also incomprehensible. I think he was saying “It’s not treason-baiting if republicans do it.” more or less. Go figure.
Dennis, it’s one thing to troll this site ten hour a day, Monday through Friday. But on your weekends too? I guess Soros is throwing you some good overtime.